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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
harry7 said:
If Spurs wins Europa - Its certainly leaning towards Ange in. Without all but 3 of his senior players for a large chunk of the season, he actually found a pragmatic approach to winning a trophy. Something Jose, Conte, Poch couldn't do - with better squads.

IF Ange can satisfy the fans with an honest assessment of our league performance and demonstrate changes that will be made for next season; there is no reason why we shouldn't all be 100% behind him.

This season, he has clearly struggled to juggle multiple competitions. Tried to win them all. Remember, 1/3rd of the way through the season we were just 4 points off 2nd and progressing well in all 3 cups - but we didn't have the squad to fight across 4 competitions, and we burnt out, and broke down. No excuses, he called himself out on this and admitted he made that mistake.

Making the tough decision to bin off the league and focus on cups could pay dividends - or could leave us humiliated - and I respect Ange for choosing the path most likely to lead to a trophy; but also, the most likely to lose him his job if he failed. Would we still be talking "Ange out" if he finished 6th with no trophy?
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Postecoglou's fighting for his professional survival, as anyone in that situation likely would. The one strand of the rope left is the Europa League title. That said, nothing about his approach or system changes if Spurs win Europa. Maybe he'll moderate a few things but the odds are that if he returns the midfield will still get overrun, the defending will be sketchy, and Spurs will turn over the ball too frequently. His penchant for press conferences as self-indulgent performance art won't change, either. Unfortunately, he may well be brought back.
 
Os22 said:
It is true to be fair to him, all this bandwagon jumping that’s currently happening where it’s suddenly an absolute disgrace if us or United are in the Champions league next season…. If it was a Wolves vs Brighton final and they were in the same league positions as us the narrative would be “look how strong the league is that these teams can go this far”.

It’s different rules when it’s us.
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The media were absolutely jerking all over the Hammers' plates of jellied eel a couple of years back when they won the ECL. Barely mentioning their awful league performance and the fact that trophy is genuine mickey mouse. And that WHUFC are not that small a club at all in European terms (top 25 wage bill) and are serial underachievers (like us, but smaller).
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
If you genuinely think a bias in the media doesn’t exist against us then you haven’t been watching the last 20 years.

This isn’t about “delusion” or tin foil hat conspiracy, it’s as obvious as the sky is blue, they enjoy mocking this football club, truthfully I don’t actually give a shit what the media thinks and neither should any Spurs fan but that doesn’t mean Ange is wrong.

We are put on this weird pedestal that other clubs are not, held to a standard that we have no right to be held to.
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I'm not sure I'd call it "bias" exactly. We are the, or one of the, worst underachievers in the league. Now there is a good argument some media orgs - BBC for example - are utter hypocrites on the ethics of football ownership of some their darling winning clubs over the past 20 years ... Chelsea and Man City. But in large part we have a "bias" against us because we have big revenues and fuck all success. What the dumb-dumb media should do is explore more why that is the case.
 
harry7 said:
If Spurs wins Europa - Its certainly leaning towards Ange in. Without all but 3 of his senior players for a large chunk of the season, he actually found a pragmatic approach to winning a trophy. Something Jose, Conte, Poch couldn't do - with better squads.

IF Ange can satisfy the fans with an honest assessment of our league performance and demonstrate changes that will be made for next season; there is no reason why we shouldn't all be 100% behind him.

This season, he has clearly struggled to juggle multiple competitions. Tried to win them all. Remember, 1/3rd of the way through the season we were just 4 points off 2nd and progressing well in all 3 cups - but we didn't have the squad to fight across 4 competitions, and we burnt out, and broke down. No excuses, he called himself out on this and admitted he made that mistake.

Making the tough decision to bin off the league and focus on cups could pay dividends - or could leave us humiliated - and I respect Ange for choosing the path most likely to lead to a trophy; but also, the most likely to lose him his job if he failed. Would we still be talking "Ange out" if he finished 6th with no trophy?
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19 league losses with three games to go. In no way is this acceptable.
 
Herclueless said:
I can't agree with this. The League campaign has given nothing to cling on to in terms of hoping for improvement. The Europa would be nice, but whilst we've overcome the obstacles in front of us to now, we haven't done so in such a convincing manner that it negates the abject League performance.

I swing back and forth a bit on my opinion of Ange the person, the things that annoy me about him are greatly exacerbated by the poor form of the team. We're we competing well in the League, then I'd likely have little to no issue with the way he conducts himself.

And there are good things about him too, his engagement with fans in terms of sick kids and such seem very genuine, he does have character, and he calls out the media BS well, this weeks EL winner getting into CL debate for example.

I also like his desire to play attacking football, but unfortunately it doesn't seem to go much deeper than a plan noted down on the back of a fag packet.

If he woke up tomorrow and had an epiphany that actually, he doesn't have a clue how to coach a system that achieves his vision, and that he needed to get serious about putting an adequate coaching team in place that he could trust to put his ideas into action, then I'd be all for him having one last bite of the cherry.

It just seems delusional at this point from all involved to think that he can just carry on as is and things will improve.

As it stands, I don't think it matters who we could sign in the summer, if things don't change massively with the coaching set up. Better players, more physically capable of achieving the demands, maybe we'd be a few places higher in the table, but we would still have a group of players that wasn't achieving as much as they could with some capable coaching.
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Agreed. I genuinely think we have a very good chance of getting relegated and losing all our best players if Ange stays another season. His position is untenable, though I will say that if he wins EL, he may well get another few months to have one last crack at it.
 
Spaniel said:
You lot....?
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Shadydan said:
I've taken this with good grace but what exactly is the issue with this post or my subsequent posts?
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Shady, just to be clear, I’ve got no issue with anything you've posted; I’m all for different opinions and proper debate, it’s what keeps the forum interesting.

My only concern is that you came back saying you wanted to approach things with a different mindset, and it’s only been a couple of weeks but it already feels like you're getting dragged back into the same old arguments. You’re letting people wind you up again, and then it turns into lumping posters together based on a few that irritate you, I have barely been on the forum but when I come on it feels like most pages is you arguing with posters, that can't be healthy (for anyone, not just you).
 
Shadydan said:
At this stage you're in denial if you don't think there's a clear agenda against the club and always some sort of negative narrative spun by the media when it comes to our club, it's more than obvious.
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It's as clear as day.

I am not the kind of person that hops into tin foil hat territory at all so the fact that even I can see it says a lot.

Look at the game where we beat Liverpool and they went down to 9 men for example, the fallout from that by the media was as if a mistake had never been made in a game of football before.

I have never heard people say that teams who win the EL shouldn't qualify for the CL and then all of a sudden it's a talking point now that we have a chance, there are so many examples of this over the years with us and I don't know how anybody can deny it.

The Leicester season for me was when it really became apparent.
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
Shady, just to be clear, I’ve got no issue with anything you've posted; I’m all for different opinions and proper debate, it’s what keeps the forum interesting.

My only concern is that you came back saying you wanted to approach things with a different mindset, and it’s only been a couple of weeks but it already feels like you're getting dragged back into the same old arguments. You’re letting people wind you up again, and then it turns into lumping posters together based on a few that irritate you, I have barely been on the forum but when I come on it feels like most pages is you arguing with posters, that can't be healthy (for anyone, not just you).
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I hear you and I appreciate the concern, I'm good, thank you x
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
It's as clear as day.

I am not the kind of person that hops into tin foil hat territory at all so the fact that even I can see it says a lot.

Look at the game where we beat Liverpool and they went down to 9 men for example, the fallout from that by the media was as if a mistake had never been made in a game of football before.

I have never heard people say that teams who win the EL shouldn't qualify for the CL and then all of a sudden it's a talking point now that we have a chance, there are so many examples of this over the years with us and I don't know how anybody can deny it.

The Leicester season for me was when it really became apparent.
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The Leicester season we dared to spoil the fairytale and made out to be the bad guys and then the bottler narrative was spun (even though we were never top of the league at any point)

Mind you this was when social media meme content was becoming the norm and online banter was on the rise, the media tapped into it and since then it's been attacks on our club ever since for cheap clicks and revenue and because our club often drives some sort of narrative in the Premier League we have become an easy club to target.
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
If you genuinely think a bias in the media doesn’t exist against us then you haven’t been watching the last 20 years.

This isn’t about “delusion” or tin foil hat conspiracy, it’s as obvious as the sky is blue, they enjoy mocking this football club, truthfully I don’t actually give a shit what the media thinks and neither should any Spurs fan but that doesn’t mean Ange is wrong.

We are put on this weird pedestal that other clubs are not, held to a standard that we have no right to be held to.
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Tbf, I mock this club a lot. But it’s my club, so I’m allowed to.

Media: no - will only listen to REAL ex-Spurs ( so not including Sky’s favourite in JR) and deffo not the gooners who seem to have infested the telly and papers. Nice to see Ange call it out (but still needs to win some games and play better football).
 
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