Management Ange Postecoglou

Pathfinder · Friday at 11:31 AM

Shadydan said:
What?

Those clubs you mentioned are big because they won the Champions League.

What you were originally protesting is that Woolwich are as big as them because they are challenging for the league and Champions League, if they haven't won then how does that put them on par with the clubs you just mentioned?

The rest of your post is drivel, what on earth are you talking about?

They did not win the CL this season. And you're saying that winning the EL is bigger than losing the CL final - and these clubs did not even reach the CL final.
I said Woolwich are seen as a big club ....not that they are as big as Real M. Barca, etc. That's you twisting my words.
I know you would come with cheap "drivel" thingy ...because you can't come up with something logical replies.
Anyway, it's good for you that you prefer Spurs to qualify for the EL rather than the CL because it's a much easier to win the EL than the CL. That's how small club mentality works.

Kiro Kompiro · Friday at 11:31 AM

TonySoprano said:
That’s not going to happen though is it? Unless you’re a crackhead, then it might be a possibility.

So it’s a redundant question.

I'm not a crackhead..but I'm 99% certain if Postecoglou is here next season, the Champions League will be his number one priority and that is what he will want his squad assembled for. He was mentored by Puskas, 3 time European Cup Winner and the final will be in the Puskas Arena, so its practically a certainty.

Richard Arlison · Friday at 11:32 AM

Mostly wrong said:
Yes of course those players are on a high and they've won a cup, some of them have waited years for doing so, they're ecstatic, that's to be expected.
They're also grown adults, and they're capable of contextualising this season from a fans perspective. Any of them that would choose to down tools or "refuse to buy in" to the next project with that context in mind, are more than welcome to fuck off this summer in my book.

You don’t refuse to buy in. That’s not how it works. They will turn up and train like professionals and play their roles in games but that’s not buy in.

Look, I guess you really don’t want to hear this point so let’s just leave it here. I think the point I’m making is one that most people can understand though. Winning matters in sport and we just did it.

Ionman34 · Friday at 11:34 AM

Shadydan said:
Anyone seen this dickhead?

I think he's searching for bricks

manmountainbutters · Friday at 11:34 AM

Fattynomates said:
Question then, lets say we kept him on next season and we finished 17th Again but won the CL, would you take that?

100%

But I can't help feeling that while there is something in prioritising competitions, sacking off the league is at some point going to cost us (relegation ?) and may be hard to repeat the trick of sustaining a winning mentality when getting battered every week.

TonySoprano · Friday at 11:37 AM

Kiro Kompiro said:
I'm not a crackhead..but I'm 99% certain if Postecoglou is here next season, the Champions League will be his number one priority and that is what he will want his squad assembled for. He was mentored by Puskas, 3 time European Cup Winner and the final will be in the Puskas Arena, so it’s practically a certainty.

Well, without better players he’s going to find it a lot harder than the EL. I don’t think he’ll survive another league campaign anything like this one so he needs to be able to fight on more than one front.

Pól · Friday at 11:38 AM

Shadydan said:
I'm talking about this thread, you thick twat.

Fuck off away from this forum. No one wants you here. You are not liked. You are a dirty rotten vindictive callous little snake.

Mostly wrong · Friday at 11:39 AM

Richard Arlison said:
You don’t refuse to buy in. That’s not how it works. They will turn up and train like professionals and play their roles in games but that’s not buy in.

Look, I guess you really don’t want to hear this point so let’s just leave it here. I think the point I’m making is one that most people can understand though. Winning matters in sport and we just did it.

I'm not missing your point, I just don't think it really has all that much merit. Buy in would come along pretty quickly under a new manager if we're no longer getting turned over by the likes of Ipswich, Leicester, Palace, Bournemouth, Wolves, Brighton, Everton, Fulham and whoever else wants 3 points that weekend. Those very same players you are saying now owe Ange their undying loyalty for the rest of their lives for this monumental cup win, also went out and got battered playing high line suicide tactics against those league sides. I'm sure they can see why a change might be warranted. You are painting this as though Ange is some dynastically successful manager that it would be utterly scandalous to sack, it just isn't the case is it?

Deuterz · Friday at 11:40 AM

Pól said:
Fuck off away from this forum. No one wants you here. You are not liked. You are a dirty rotten vindictive callous little snake.

Being too kind mate. Tell him how it fucking is.

I'd take 1000 sin binnings for that despicable little creature.

manmountainbutters · Friday at 11:40 AM

TonySoprano said:
Well, without better players he’s going to find it a lot harder than the EL. I don’t think he’ll survive another league campaign anything like this one so he needs to be able to fight on more than one front.

That prick Levy should at long last loosen the wage restrictions, sign some top established players and have a proper pop at the CL!

tbh if we strengthen the squad properly, there might come a point where it's almost impossible for us to be relegated and we could go all out to win the three cups??

Jose Dominguez 25 · Friday at 11:41 AM

manmountainbutters said:
100%

But I can't help feeling that while there is something in prioritising competitions, sacking off the league is at some point going to cost us (relegation ?) and may be hard to repeat the trick of sustaining a winning mentality when getting battered every week.

It's this really. We'll never get as kind a draw to win the cl. People want to talk about winning mentalities, but we've lost over half our league games this season. Where was that winning mentality at home against Ipswich, Leicester etc.

Deuterz · Friday at 11:41 AM

stevie0444 said:
No offence mate but your agenda is boring

No offence (I'm not your mate so I won't call you that .. how about cunt?) but I literally couldn't give a single shit what you think, in fact I didn't read past the first few sentences, that's how little regard I have for your views and frankly your person in general.

Shadydan · Friday at 11:42 AM

Pathfinder said:
They did not win the CL this season. And you're saying that winning the EL is bigger than losing the CL final - and these clubs did not even reach the CL final.
I said Woolwich are seen as a big club ....not that they are as big as Real M. Barca, etc. That's you twisting my words.
I know you would come with cheap "drivel" thingy ...because you can't come up with something logical replies.
Anyway, it's good for you that you prefer Spurs to qualify for the EL rather than the CL because it's a much easier to win the EL than the CL. That's small club mentality works.

Because your entire post went off into a tangent of nonsense and irrelevance, hence why it was drivel.

let's circle this argument back a bit, this is what you originally said:

Pathfinder said:
Whether you like it or not, Woolwich are still seen as a force in European football (particularly after beating Real M. in both CL games), while Spurs - even after winning the EL - is not seen as an top European club. That's a fact right now.

Pathfinder said:
Whether we like it or not but coming 2nd in the EPL and reaching the CL semis does make a club a European top club. That's the objective truth.

That's not me twisting, those are literally your words and I haven't once even spoke about Spurs in our exchange so who's twisted who's words here?

The reason I responded is because you were so desperate to paint Woolwich as a top European club, it's actually laughable because they have won fuck all in Europe, you don't get respect for challenging or putting pressure on, or going close or beating former champions in one off matches, you get the respect and accolades when you win, that's how you became a 'force in European football' it's as simple as that.

Kiro Kompiro · Friday at 11:42 AM

TonySoprano said:
Well, without better players he’s going to find it a lot harder than the EL. I don’t think he’ll survive another league campaign anything like this one so he needs to be able to fight on more than one front.

I fully agree. They're the unknowns: will he (or his replacement) get the players he needs to compete at that level and will he adapt his tactics?

Richard Arlison · Friday at 11:43 AM

Mostly wrong said:
I'm not missing your point, I just don't think it really has all that much merit. Buy in would come along pretty quickly under a new manager if we're no longer getting turned over by the likes of Ipswich, Leicester, Palace, Bournemouth, Wolves, Brighton, Everton, Fulham and whoever else wants 3 points that weekend. Those very same players you are saying now owe Ange their undying loyalty for the rest of their lives for this monumental cup win, also went out and got battered playing high line suicide tactics against those league sides. I'm sure they can see why a change might be warranted. You are painting this as though Ange is some dynastically successful manager that it would be utterly scandalous to sack, it just isn't the case is it?

Don’t be dramatic to try and get a cheap argument win.

I never mentioned their whole lives or Ange is some dynastic uber coach.

I’m saying you cant replace Ange this summer with a mid table guy who has never won anything and just expect that “buy in would come along pretty quickly”. It doesn’t work that way.

That’s the point you don’t want to hear.

Deuterz · Friday at 11:46 AM

Richard Arlison said:
Don’t be dramatic to try and get a cheap argument win.

I never mentioned their whole lives or Ange is some dynastic uber coach.

I’m saying you cant replace Ange this summer with a mid table guy who has never won anything and just expect that “buy in would come along pretty quickly”. It doesn’t work that way.

That’s the point you don’t want to hear.

We could replace him with Glasner. He's a "mid table guy" who can actually coach a team and guess what! He won a trophy too, against much harder teams than Ange had to beat, and he also won the Europa League at Frankfurt too if that helps? Just all round more successful than Ange under much harder circumstances.

Everyone's happy - rid of the fraud, in with a proper coach.

Mostly wrong · Friday at 11:46 AM

Richard Arlison said:
Don’t be dramatic to try and get a cheap argument win.

I never mentioned their whole lives or Ange is some dynastic uber coach.

I’m saying you cant replace Ange this summer with a mid table guy who has never won anything and just expect that “buy in would come along pretty quickly”. It doesn’t work that way.

That’s the point you don’t want to hear.

Ok, what about Glasner then? He's won the Europa league and FA cup in the last few seasons and overcame much, much harder circumstances to secure a decent finish in the table for Palace. He's proven he can fight on multiple fronts AND succeed. Would that be a high enough bar for you?

manmountainbutters · Friday at 11:46 AM

I said a few times on this board over the past couple of months that I thought if we won the EL, Ange would be kept on. I still think that. It's a massive win for the club. Feels like this restores some much needed prestige, glamour and appeal to the club? I also think it's likely to go horribly wrong next season!

TonySoprano · Friday at 11:47 AM

Pól said:
Fuck off away from this forum. No one wants you here. You are not liked. You are a dirty rotten vindictive callous little snake.

We win a trophy and he’s spent 2 days trying to bait other posters and create conflicts to amuse himself. What a total fucking loser.

He’s a poisonous trolling little cunt and when he gets banned finally, this place will be far better off.

dudu · Friday at 11:49 AM

Mostly wrong said:
What players specifically? Most of them have been at the club for five minutes. I really think you are massively, massively overattributing the importance of this cup win to the players because of the importance it held for us as fans. Our average squad age is like 23, many of our players are U21s, do you really think they've won the Europa and thought "this is it, I've hit the pinnacle, this is as elite coaching as I'll ever get and this manager is the best chance I have at being a raging success"? I can promise you they don't. The team will move on.

You are MASSIVELY under-rating the importance of it.

there are 3 trophies for most teams in the prem to have a chance to win each season - two of which -one of 2 clubs have really won over the last 10 years.

Winning trophies is rare for 95% of clubs, including us.

We won it was fucking massive man. give this nonsense a rest and get your head out of your ass.

NO ONE is saying they are feeling like this is the pinnacle of their playing careers that they should strive for, but for man,y it is the pinnacle of their career so far. Who are you to take that away from them? PATHETIC LOSER MENTALITY

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