And then in season 4 it will turn out that season 3 was a dream.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I think most fans are in the middle and don't have a big preference either way. They can appreciate that this season was mostly unacceptable but he did win us a trophy after a long wait. I think majority of match going fans don't usually take extreme sides on these things and are quite reactionary.
Online is very different. People post their views and then usually stick to them regardless of new evidence. So you often create an us against them narrative. Oddly enough, most of our big social media posters and twitter accounts are overly positive on Ange and want him to stay. While the consensus on here is usually overly negative on Ange and can often result to immature name calling.
But they are both extremes. Lets say 10% who really want him to stay and maybe 10% who really want him gone. The other 80% might have a slight preference either way but they will back whatever decision is made and move on.
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Yeah, apparantly if you weren't in with the 15k in the south cheering for Ange after the 4-1 loss you are a virgin... and if you were backing Ange to win the Europa and beyond you had a low IQ...
Real talk though, there are prominent social media influencers who wanted Ange out in the past weeks and months regardless, and by the way they also had season tickets, and they also celebrated in Bilbao, so it is hard to tell if there is a difference on social media.
There were boos for Levy in the stadium and the majority of fans online have wanted him gone for years so again where is the massive divide. I think it is more about when and how to express dissent than the underlying dissent being there.
Point being I don't think it matters if you are stuck in a basement or going to a game, I think all types of fans are still split on Ange. The majority want/wanted him gone, or did at some point, but a significant minority are undecided or want him to stay and that indecision only increased after the final. Even fans who wanted him gone before the final hypocritically celebrated.
But I never believe the fans online or in person are right about anything, and I think they all have similar opinions. Levy appointed Poch with only 5% of the fan vote and that one was pretty good.
Most fans know nothing and are reactionary so it is not good for a CEO to just follow them over following a proven player recruitment strategist.
It would be better for everyone if Ange left rather than be pushed, everyone involved saves face .
Ange leaves as a winner and Levy can get a replacement
Ange leaves as a winner and Levy can get a replacement
Agree on al your points and yes there is a big correlation between match going fans and online. I just think online can create a false narrative sometimes.
I don't agree with too much fan power either. I think Man United is suffering because they've spent the last 10 years trying to please their fans by making short term signings. Falcao, Di Maria, Ibrahimovic, Pogba, Varane, Ronaldo, Casemiro, De ligt, Ugarte were all signings driven by the fans. The Ronaldo one in particular which actually destroyed the rebuild Ole had started. Sometimes the unpopular decision is the best long term decision for the club.
That's what it's all about.
Look man, you're preaching to the choir - online is a complete echo chamber and, this forum especially, not to be taken as any real pulse for the average fan.
I guess my point is that the silence from Levy etc is definitely due to the win and the feel good factor around this club at the moment, despite the league form but i don't think it is an indication of which way he is going to go.
We are in a Shrangedingers Box situation right now where he simultaneously both in charge and not in charge next season and i honestly don't know a single person who would put money on calling it either way
Russ wins
I wonder if he really was told that. I think it was more that he knew his one chance of retaining his job was winning Europa and that was what was necessary. It wasn't an illogical choice on his part.
The entire argument for keeping him seems to hinge on the planets aligning and us having a completely injury-free season whilst expertly targeting the 4 or 5 players we certainly need to make this fucking bizarre system of his work, and all 4 or 5 of those players working out perfectly and not flopping. It's just not going to happen, we cannot afford to go into a CL campaign with a manager so incapable of adapting to changing circumstances. We had to hear ourselves called "the Kane team" by fucking horse teeth under Poch back in the day but we could have Kane and Son out of that team and still go out and win games. In fact that is a stark contrast between Poch and Ange, Poch was making regular use of players like Chadli, Wimmer and Sigurdsson and made them look so good we sold them for significant profit. Can you name one "squad" player who has increased their value under Ange? Maybe Spence at a push?
Spurs fans and Postecoglou. The Stockholm syndrome writ large.
It's frustrating. All there is for it is to let him wreck another season and hope they eventually wise up. "But wasn't the parade wonderful."
I'd be fairly sure he's going to sack him tbh. He sacked Poch when most fans were still behind him.
I think he made his mind up months ago. The only reason he might stick with Ange is if we can't land his ideal candidates. Paratici wasn't brought back to work with Ange.
That episode where Ange jumped over Everton in a jet ski did it for me.
Whether he is or isn't going 100% isn't being decided in the coming days.
I don't like him as our manager but I can't deny the man deserves a holiday with his family and some peace from the media and frothing fans.
Just suck it up. Some of you sound like kids who want Christmas to come early.
I don't like him as our manager but I can't deny the man deserves a holiday with his family and some peace from the media and frothing fans.
Just suck it up. Some of you sound like kids who want Christmas to come early.
If Ange is to start next season I think Levy would have publicly backed him by now
Ange also stated on Motd he would hopefully be back for the preseason
From that make what you will
Whatever happens we're Europa League champions, will be playing in the super Cup final, with CL to come
My guess is he was told that whatever happened he'd get the rest of the season and then both parties would move on. But with his "oh, poor me, I won a trophy and don't know if I get to come back" routine he has outflanked Levy. We're stuck with Postecoglou until he finds some other job he wants. There will always be an excuse and the fans will never accept that he just isn't a very good manager.
That wouldn't surprise me, but then again, neither would the opposite scenario
Whether he stays or goes, we can’t afford to dither. Levy just needs to make a decision asap. We’ve had a horrendous league season and need to rebuild - with Ange or another manager. Other clubs are already buying players and we don’t even know who our manager will be