We have a Fucking Office? Showing my age, I think I'd have preferred a Cheese Room.
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It's pointless having a debate about whether we would or wouldn't have won the EL with Mason, or anybody else, in charge. We will never know.
The fact is, like him or hate him, we won it under Ange. For that, he will always have my gratitude.
If we can get a clear upgrade as manager to replace Ange, I have no problem. The likes of Frank and Glasner do not fall into that category, in my opinion. In the absence of a genuine upgrade, I'm happy to give Ange a shot at redemption in the league next season.
The fact is, like him or hate him, we won it under Ange. For that, he will always have my gratitude.
If we can get a clear upgrade as manager to replace Ange, I have no problem. The likes of Frank and Glasner do not fall into that category, in my opinion. In the absence of a genuine upgrade, I'm happy to give Ange a shot at redemption in the league next season.
How did Ange's "experience" manifest itself?
What was it, specifically, that Mason and Wells would not have been able to do, that Ange did?
What is it substantively?
Or are you just talking about Aura and Vibes?
If you are not talking about Aura and Vibes, then explain what you mean.
Try and be precise.
There are a lot of people here for whom the fact that Ange is Australian and his only prior experience in European football came in Scotland has always been per se disqualifying. They look at him as just a contest winner play-acting as a coach, as without accomplishments in the leagues they recognize as "real" the whole thing is just a fraud to them and they're mystified that anyone would even bother analyzing him on a serious basis.
While recognizing that that perspective is blinkered and unfair, that's more or less the way I feel about Ryan Mason.
His meaningless caretaker spells haven't dispelled my view of him as an amateur who I do sincerely believe has his position partially to act as Levy's mole within the dressing room. He's not a real coach he's just playing one on TV.
That view will change rapidly if he can succeed taking proper charge of his own team elsewhere. I wish he'd had that opportunity already and I hope he gets it now.
You're still not answering my question.
Pointless spending it on his player choice for a new guy to take over in the AutumnThis must be what they were referring to on SC
You asked what I specifically saw in Ryan Mason's tactics during his two brief caretaker spells as parts of two different prior coaching staffs and what that might indicate about how his Spurs would attack Bodo/Glimt.
My answer is that I think trying to extract any tactical or philosophical principles from that sample in those contexts is an absurd exercise in self-deception.
Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my answer to your question. If that's "just vibes", so be it.
If the CEO is the type that many here say he is, why would he sack the coach? Think about it.
He costs a lot less. He doesn't publicly run down the management. He accepted the limited ( against what people expect) signings. He won a cup making every supporter extremely happy.
With the massive upside for the management being that through this project its made a shed load of mullah.
The only way I could see him sacking this bloke is if the supporters give him no other choice. And the level needed for that at this moment seems a long way off.
Imagine what he will cop if he does go out and give ole Ange the boot, and the next star manager falls flat. Or he can't personally work with him etc.
I don't know but the guy making the big decisions comes across as fairly cautious and considered character before he makes them.
Outside of a mass Ange out movement I'm thinking it's almost 100% Ange in at this point.
He costs a lot less. He doesn't publicly run down the management. He accepted the limited ( against what people expect) signings. He won a cup making every supporter extremely happy.
With the massive upside for the management being that through this project its made a shed load of mullah.
The only way I could see him sacking this bloke is if the supporters give him no other choice. And the level needed for that at this moment seems a long way off.
Imagine what he will cop if he does go out and give ole Ange the boot, and the next star manager falls flat. Or he can't personally work with him etc.
I don't know but the guy making the big decisions comes across as fairly cautious and considered character before he makes them.
Outside of a mass Ange out movement I'm thinking it's almost 100% Ange in at this point.
Ange had had experience managing teams through high level, high stress situations.... given teams talks in the situations.
The thing he did before the final with the messages from players families.... that's team building and understanding players needs which comes from experience.
I guess my question to you is what makes you think Mason and Wells would have?
Another answer to this is that Ange's experience manifested itself in being able to completely throw out all of the principles of his philosophy at the drop of a hat when his continued employment depended on it.
Mason and Wells' setup for the final would have looked more like Angeball than Ange's did, I'll bet.
I just asked this: "What specifically is it that Mason did, tactically, in his short spells at the helm for us, that makes him less of a competent tactician that Ange."
I didn't mention Bodo.
And I only expected you to answer from what you witnessed, as much as you recall.
There's nothing to extract.
I'm asking about obvious, apparent structure, balance and dynamics.
Not asking anything cryptic.
The fact that it seems so hard to answer... is the answer, I guess.
So, vibes, aura and motivation?
um, like I said in my post the job needs more than just motivation? I'm simply acknowledging that the players do seem to like him and he does seem good at that kind of thing, but I don't think I said anywhere that alone is anything like enough for this job.
I guess we should prepare ourselves for another season of Ange’s Balls
In fairness : 99.9 % of anything that comes out of Prem managers’ mouths in ( contractually obligatory) interviews is either bluster , bullshit , evasion or aggrandisement.
Don’t read too much into anything that comes out of their mouths ; they receive an enormous amount of training to do what they do .
Mason's 7-game spell in charge finishing up the season from Mourinho was just stopgap tweaks to the way we were already playing under Mourinho with Mason on staff.
Mason's 6-game spell in charge finishing up the season from Conte was just stopgap tweaks to the way we were already playing under Conte with Mason on staff.
The formations were different, the two spells didn't seem to me to have much in common at all. I think quite literally the desire in both cases was to continue the same tactical ideas and add a bit of "vibes, aura and motivation" from a young man respected as a peer by many of his players in a moment where morale had gone to shit.
He's a little older and more experienced now, and some (but not all) of his former teammates have left the squad, but still I expect that an interim spell finishing up the season from Ange would have been just stopgap tweaks to the way we were already playing under Ange with Mason on staff.
Several nouns come to mind...
So to be clear, Ange is a better manager than Frank or Glasner ?
17th in the league..22 losses ?
Are you completely football illiterate?