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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
But he would have ditched what he had learned in both those cases and chose to pick up Ange's chaos-ball
What do you mean "pick up"? HE'S BEEN ON ANGE'S STAFF THIS WHOLE TIME.

He's been out there at Hotspur Way drilling said chaos-ball into this squad day after day.

You have a deeply unsound heuristic for what an assistant coach is.

what do you think that ange does well as a coach? what are the ideas and methods he instills in the players?
Call it "kamikaze forward" if you like, there is truth in that, but under the right circumstances it's terribly difficult to defend, even for the best teams.

And I think the players really understand what he wants from them, he's clear and consistent in what he expects them to do tactically and players like and respond to that.

Doing those things makes us often fatally vulnerable on the counterattack, might be more than the players can physically bear over the course of a season, and just did a 180 about-face to win a trophy so I don't know what it means going forward.

But I continue to be mystified by people who are so deeply committed to the notion that Ange is a fraudster with no method to his madness. It's literally just the same old possession-based stuff everyone is playing with a bit more aggressive press triggers and fullback positioning. It ain't that deep.
 
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It's pointless having a debate about whether we would or wouldn't have won the EL with Mason, or anybody else, in charge. We will never know.

The fact is, like him or hate him, we won it under Ange. For that, he will always have my gratitude.

If we can get a clear upgrade as manager to replace Ange, I have no problem. The likes of Frank and Glasner do not fall into that category, in my opinion. In the absence of a genuine upgrade, I'm happy to give Ange a shot at redemption in the league next season.
Wow
Palace SPANKED us twice
Frank finished way above us in the PL and with the smallest budget in the division, a ground 1/4 our size, no fans, no history….
Mate you’re off the chart delusional
 
What do you mean "pick up"? HE'S BEEN ON ANGE'S STAFF THIS WHOLE TIME.

He's been out there at Hotspur Way drilling said chaos-ball into this squad day after day.

You have a deeply unsound heuristic for what an assistant coach is.


Call it "kamazake forward" if you like, there is truth in that, but under the right circumstances it's terribly difficult to defend, even for the best teams.

And I think the players really understand what he wants from them, he's clear and consistent in what he expects them to do tactically and players like and respond to that.

Doing those things makes us often fatally vulnerable on the counterattack, might be more than the players can physically bear over the course of a season, and just did a 180 about-face to win a trophy so I don't know what it means going forward.

But I continue to be mystified by people who are so deeply committed to the notion that Ange is a fraudster with no method to his madness. It's literally just the same old possession-based stuff everyone is playing with a bit more aggressive press triggers and fullback positioning. It ain't that deep.
This was the logical extension of what you said about him not deviating too far from maurinho and conte when he took over. for short spells

In no way did Mason or Wells devise our tactical approach, set-up, dynamics, general organisation (or lack thereof) or anything else to do with our game or the way we played.

Ego Ange told them exactly what he wanted and they did what he instructed, because it's HIS system.

"You have a deeply unsound heuristic for what an assistant coach is."

The irony is bonkers.

The rest of the apologia is simply warped.

Your case is weak and your defence full of holes.

Fitting, really.
 
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Frank, who in four PL seasons at Brentford without European football (nor any particularly deep domestic cup run) to draw away energies has never accumulated within 6 points or 4 league places as what Ange did with a similarly open slate in his first season here.

Fucking what lmao? Shall we compare the budget available to Frank to the budget available to Ange?

Frank took up a championship team. Ange took over a team that only two seasons before he arrived had been top 4.

And I don’t even want Frank. We could also compare Frankfurts wage budget when they won it? I can do this all day.
 
So, vibes, aura and motivation?

Organization too.

Look i know you were fishing so you could give your ready made answer. Youre not as clever as you make yourself out to be.

But mostly, its just years of experience of winning things and knowing how to get teams over the line. You cant buy that or teach it.

Poch couldn't do it could he?? He didnt have any experience in doing so and he shit the bed many many times in high pressure games.

Biggest final in my living memory and the team put in a completely soulless performance that made my eyes bleed.

Ill ask you but you won't answer because the point of this wasn't to have a discussion... it was to entertain your fans....

What evidence do you have that Mason and Wells would have won it?
 
Biggest final in my living memory and the team put in a completely soulless performance that made my eyes bleed.

Oooo almost like he was facing 98 point Liverpool and not 16th placed crisis United. Also we were eye bleedingly dreadful against United, they’re just fucking shit mate so we got away with it by dribbling one over the line and doing nothing else and parking a bus.

Poch played the second string in Europa because back then the club were like ‘bro it’s the Europa’ and if he’d thrown everything at just that he’d have been sacked on the spot.
 
Organization too.

Look i know you were fishing so you could give your ready made answer. Youre not as clever as you make yourself out to be.

But mostly, its just years of experience of winning things and knowing how to get teams over the line. You cant buy that or teach it.

Poch couldn't do it could he?? He didnt have any experience in doing so and he shit the bed many many times in high pressure games.

Biggest final in my living memory and the team put in a completely soulless performance that made my eyes bleed.

Ill ask you but you won't answer because the point of this wasn't to have a discussion... it was to entertain your fans....

What evidence do you have that Mason and Wells would have won it?

"Organization too."

Are you on fucking crack???

" You're not as clever as you make yourself out to be."

I am you know.

"But mostly, its just years of experience of winning things and knowing how to get teams over the line. You cant buy that or teach it."

So, Aura? An intangible?

Convenient.

He just had to... be there.

"Poch couldn't do it could he?? He didnt have any experience in doing so and he shit the bed many many times in high pressure games."

Poch is another Ego hound who got what he deserved (fans deserved the cup) for treating Moura with utter contempt and ungratefulness and making a terrible footballing decision because he was high on his own farts.

"Biggest final in my living memory and the team put in a completely soulless performance that made my eyes bleed."

I know, unlike the scintillating EL final.

What evidence do you have that Mason and Wells would have won it?

As much as I have that Ange's aura got us over the line and not the players after being given just the most basic level of structure to perform in, which allowed them to get the job done with the qualities they do have.
 
SAF was the biggest c-nt imaginable in press-conferences:
If he didn’t like what he was being asked he simply perma-banned certain journos and even newspapers from attending. Even the blessed BBC .

Never damaged the Mancs under his tenure; in fact it was seen as a sign of strength and indomitably.

Wish AP did more of it ; IF he’s given the chance.

Stop being such a pussy where the
“ gentlemen of the fourth estate “ are concerned ffs .

They’re paid to REPORT not dictate events . I can’t understand why you’re so much in awe of them , if I’m being honest.
sir ange it is then!

:ossie:
 
What do you mean "pick up"? HE'S BEEN ON ANGE'S STAFF THIS WHOLE TIME.

He's been out there at Hotspur Way drilling said chaos-ball into this squad day after day.

You have a deeply unsound heuristic for what an assistant coach is.


Call it "kamikaze forward" if you like, there is truth in that, but under the right circumstances it's terribly difficult to defend, even for the best teams.

And I think the players really understand what he wants from them, he's clear and consistent in what he expects them to do tactically and players like and respond to that.

Doing those things makes us often fatally vulnerable on the counterattack, might be more than the players can physically bear over the course of a season, and just did a 180 about-face to win a trophy so I don't know what it means going forward.

But I continue to be mystified by people who are so deeply committed to the notion that Ange is a fraudster with no method to his madness. It's literally just the same old possession-based stuff everyone is playing with a bit more aggressive press triggers and fullback positioning. It ain't that deep.
good tacticians have plans and counter plans, etc. they react to what is before them in the match. kamikaze ball gets us ripped to shreds most games so you have to find a balance and ange has shown he can't or won't do that. i lean towards can't. and we've seen what he's come up with to defend deeper and it produces 1 shot a game. again, people who know what they're doing don't put forth tactics and performances like that.
 
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