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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Why does Jose always get lumped in with this when his chance to win one was taken away from him.
Because he blew a 2-0 lead in one half against a Croatian side whose manager was in prison. Because he shipped five goals to fucking Everton. Because Literally Timo Werner outscored his side over two legs.

Nobody opposed his Cup Final week sacking more than me, but he had his chances, it was a misbegotten appointment.

(I see on Wikipedia we lost at home to Norwich in the FA Cup, I don't even remember that game tbh. I bet it was shit)
 
Because he blew a 2-0 lead in one half against a Croatian side whose manager was in prison. Because he shipped five goals to fucking Everton. Because Literally Timo Werner outscored his side over two legs.

Nobody opposed his Cup Final week sacking more than me, but he had his chances, it was a misbegotten appointment.

(I see on Wikipedia we lost at home to Norwich in the FA Cup, I don't even remember that game tbh. I bet it was shit)
Lost on pens to Norwich.
 
He did (weirdly enough) have his own bonkers "Paulinho/Barcelona" moment by managing to get the Real Madrid job (albeit not for long) after he left us. The 2008 League Cup is still the last trophy he won as a manager, despite managing four clubs after us.

What I would say is that without Levy hiring him, we'd have been potless for 26 years rather than 17

I recall at the time we appointed him, that people suggested Ramos wasn't the reason Seville won 5 cups under him, it was the team behind him at Seville, IE DoF, scouts etc.
That was the model Levy desperately seemed to want anyway, a coach that could be changed every 2-3 years but a backroom team that stayed and kept the consistency going.
He has pretty much said this publicly as well. Although I can't find anything to prove it, he's definitely said there is a trend abroad whereby manages come and go within 2 years but staff remain the same. And teams succeed that way.
 
Because he blew a 2-0 lead in one half against a Croatian side whose manager was in prison. Because he shipped five goals to fucking Everton. Because Literally Timo Werner outscored his side over two legs.

Nobody opposed his Cup Final week sacking more than me, but he had his chances, it was a misbegotten appointment.

(I see on Wikipedia we lost at home to Norwich in the FA Cup, I don't even remember that game tbh. I bet it was shit)

Whilst that is all true, Mourninho is a coach for big games and we should have waited until after that final.
If only to end this exact debate before it ever happened.

And also, had we left him in place and we still lost, Levy wouldn't have been afraid to sack Ange months ago.
 
If the manager decision is down to Fabio and Vinai who are both footballing men, I don’t see there being much room for emotion or sentiment in the outcome.
 
Because he blew a 2-0 lead in one half against a Croatian side whose manager was in prison. Because he shipped five goals to fucking Everton. Because Literally Timo Werner outscored his side over two legs.

Nobody opposed his Cup Final week sacking more than me, but he had his chances, it was a misbegotten appointment.

(I see on Wikipedia we lost at home to Norwich in the FA Cup, I don't even remember that game tbh. I bet it was shit)
Blew a 2 goal lead who's manager was in prison. You'll never sing that.😀
 
I recall at the time we appointed him, that people suggested Ramos wasn't the reason Seville won 5 cups under him, it was the team behind him at Seville, IE DoF, scouts etc.
That was the model Levy desperately seemed to want anyway, a coach that could be changed every 2-3 years but a backroom team that stayed and kept the consistency going.
He has pretty much said this publicly as well. Although I can't find anything to prove it, he's definitely said there is a trend abroad whereby manages come and go within 2 years but staff remain the same. And teams succeed that way.

Yeah he's been on about it since 2003. We were also one of the first clubs to bring in a sporting director, in the european model.
People think Levy is a control freak but by evidence he's been trying to hand off the footballing side the whole time - it just doesn't seem like we've manage to hire anyone useful at it beyond Collini, and anyone decent hasn't really had any patience or reality with how the club has had to organically manage its own funding, rather than the Chelsea model of financial absurdity that crept it. Then, we had both Redknapp and Poch (arguably our two most successful PL managers in terms of league performance and finishes) outright throw a complete wobbly about working under a sporting director.

We could probably do much much worse than getting a Monchi type of guy in to build a squad and culture and just having a half decent head coach to pick the team and tactics and knows their limits.
 
Whilst that is all true, Mourninho is a coach for big games and we should have waited until after that final.
If only to end this exact debate before it ever happened.

And also, had we left him in place and we still lost, Levy wouldn't have been afraid to sack Ange months ago.
José could perfectly well have won that final the way we just won one. Resolute defending, setting up to be hard to beat, and hoping one counterattack or one critical bounce goes your way.

If you wanted a manager to win one match with a squad that's not all it should be, or all your opponents' is, he wouldn't be the worst choice. It was a terrible decision to sack him.

If we'd won that trophy we wouldn't be in this mad quest for one trophy, any trophy, ever since and we wouldn't be entertaining the idea of returning such an awful manager.
 
Yeah he's been on about it since 2003. We were also one of the first clubs to bring in a sporting director, in the european model.
People think Levy is a control freak but by evidence he's been trying to hand off the footballing side the whole time - it just doesn't seem like we've manage to hire anyone useful at it beyond Collini, and anyone decent hasn't really had any patience or reality with how the club has had to organically manage its own funding, rather than the Chelsea model of financial absurdity that crept it. Then, we had both Redknapp and Poch (arguably our two most successful PL managers in terms of league performance and finishes) outright throw a complete wobbly about working under a sporting director.

We could probably do much much worse than getting a Monchi type of guy in to build a squad and culture and just having a half decent head coach to pick the team and tactics and knows their limits.

It's all a catch 22 situation at Spurs.
It's rare we get a Jol, Redknapp or Poch, who can get a squad playing well above their perceived ability. More often than not, the coaches we get either get what the squad is capable of or worse.
And that's not too abnormal really. We just don't have the zest to fuck them off and try another one until we get it right like some others do.
 
I recall at the time we appointed him, that people suggested Ramos wasn't the reason Seville won 5 cups under him, it was the team behind him at Seville, IE DoF, scouts etc.
That was the model Levy desperately seemed to want anyway, a coach that could be changed every 2-3 years but a backroom team that stayed and kept the consistency going.
He has pretty much said this publicly as well. Although I can't find anything to prove it, he's definitely said there is a trend abroad whereby manages come and go within 2 years but staff remain the same. And teams succeed that way.
It goes back to Lyon's setup in the late 90's under Jean-Michel Aulas, that was Levy's role model. Tried and failed to build that sort of structure at Spurs several times.

But that's really the stone age now in terms of backroom setups. It's all about data sophistication now, and to Levy's credit there has been significant improvement in the way we do business in recent years.

His commitment to spending a lower rate of the club's resources than any other team in Europe will always be a fatal flaw, but his personal involvement is not as poisonous to the process as it was a few years ago.

Whilst that is all true, Mourninho is a coach for big games and we should have waited until after that final.
If only to end this exact debate before it ever happened.

And also, had we left him in place and we still lost, Levy wouldn't have been afraid to sack Ange months ago.
I couldn't agree more than Mourinho should have gotten the chance to shithouse his way through that final, sacking him in that moment was a disgraceful and inexplicable surrender.

Not sure what any of it has to do with Ange though.
 
I couldn't agree more than Mourinho should have gotten the chance to shithouse his way through that final, sacking him in that moment was a disgraceful and inexplicable surrender.

Not sure what any of it has to do with Ange though.

I think the backlash for sacking Mourinho before a cup final has effectively kept Ange in a job for months.
Whilst we have been in cups, Ange has been safe from the sack almost no questions asked. It's madness.
And now we won a cup, he may have guaranteed he starts next season too due to the simps all heel turning back into "ange in" sheep.
 
I think the backlash for sacking Mourinho before a cup final has effectively kept Ange in a job for months.
Whilst we have been in cups, Ange has been safe from the sack almost no questions asked. It's madness.
And now we won a cup, he may have guaranteed he starts next season too due to the simps all heel turning back into "ange in" sheep.

We don't have a nobber of a chairman who goes on talksport or twitter either (to tell us 'how it really is'), and I just can't see that Levy would have got rid of a manager he was so obviously besotted by, so abruptly, without Jose having done something more than lose a few games. The timing of it was so odd, too - I don't think it coincided with the 'super league' stuff for the club's benefit.
 
From Ange's wikipedia page:

"Postecoglou remained active as a player in the lower tiers of Victorian soccer."

That explains quite a lot. IIRC it was 0-0-11 most of the time. Rush keepers and overlapping fucking everything.

monty-python-soccer-2.jpg
 
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