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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
citizenabel said:
In what fucking Universe....the Ropey is an amalgamation of the Uefa & the old cup winners cup so how on earth is the old Uefa comp more prestigious...just because you think it doesn't make it so.....put forward facts not fancy.
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The UEFA Cup had tougher competition to get through, with more strong teams, for the simple fact that there were less teams - or, as it were, less of Europe's elite teams - in the European Cup than there is in the Champions League.

Also, with the 3 foreign players rule getting past Steaua Bucharest, or any other big-ish club from an also-ran country, in the 80's was a wildly different animal than today, when all the best Romanian players are in Europe's top 5 leagues before they're 20.

Winning the EL is still huge, but the UEFA was bigger and more difficult.
 
Christ the state of our fanbase....fancy not knowing the difference
LuckyMe said:
The UEFA Cup had tougher competition to get through, with more strong teams, for the simple fact that there were less teams - or, as it were, less of Europe's elite teams - in the European Cup than there is in the Champions League.

Also, with the 3 foreign players rule getting past Steaua Bucharest, or any other big-ish club from an also-ran country, in the 80's was a wildly different animal than today, when all the best Romanian players are in Europe's top 5 leagues before they're 20.

Winning the EL is still huge, but the UEFA was bigger and more difficult.
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Not true, in fact it's a laughable comparison...out of all the comps the Uefa was (ECWC was bigger) the poor relation, made up for the weaker teams who were not good enough to win anything and evolved from the inter city fairs cup which is a 50% total of the Scum's success in Europe.

I don't wish to somehow make the trophy bigger than it actually is but it is the biggest European trophy that we've won since it's replaced the other defunct comps...that said I don't join in to the 'Champions of Europe' song because we're not.
 
GaribaldiMarmite said:
G’day mates. Forest fan in peace / in pieces.

What can you tell me about Big Ange’s staff?

Has he learned he needs someone better than Dr. Karl Kennedy to clear up all the hamstring injuries?
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He doesn't practice set pieces mate! :ange-arms:
Vicario was getting targeted on corners every game and its like we just accepted it , as for the Injuries , I have never known 2 seasons like it, didn't help in him rushing players back either , it was defiantly worse when we had EL though so hopefully you have a big Squad to cope, saying that wouldn't suprise me that now he is at another club he gets no injuries at all!

Ange gets a lot of stick, but the first 10 games under him were amazing, when his tactics click its great, its just you can't play every game like that in the PL, he changed it up in the EL though so he does have that in his locker, my biggest concern would be he has a big Ego, so does the chairman, not sure how that one will work out!
 
Kaz Hirai said:
lol a lesser trophy...oh how I've missed spurs fans downplaying one of it's most prestigious trophy wins in the clubs history because they dislike a man or they want to be shown as being firmly planted on one side of argument
thankfully the paying fans that go to games don't share the sentiment

you can dislike him without trying to belittle our achievement
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Oh ffs, wake the fuck up.
It is by 10 country miles the weakest trophy this club has won. It is factually undisputable. Not an opionion but fact.

EL after CL teams do not fall into it from some point on is incomparably weaker than Carabao cup.
It literally has ALL the best teams not participating.

Awesome that we got CL place and can mock Arsescum and don't have to hear media crap about Spurs not winning anything, but this trophy is consolation prize for much lesser teams. Not something to brag about as top 15 richest clubs (beating mostly clubs with fraction of our resources).
 
TheSpurEst said:
Oh ffs, wake the fuck up.
It is by 10 country miles the weakest trophy this club has won. It is factually undisputable. Not an opionion but fact.

EL after CL teams do not fall into it from some point on is incomparably weaker than Carabao cup.
It literally has ALL the best teams not participating.

Awesome that we got CL place and can mock Arsescum and don't have to hear media crap about Spurs not winning anything, but this trophy is consolation prize for much lesser teams. Not something to brag about as top 15 richest clubs (beating mostly clubs with fraction of our resources).
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TheSpurEst said:
Oh ffs, wake the fuck up.
It is by 10 country miles the weakest trophy this club has won. It is factually undisputable. Not an opionion but fact.

EL after CL teams do not fall into it from some point on is incomparably weaker than Carabao cup.
It literally has ALL the best teams not participating.

Awesome that we got CL place and can mock Arsescum and don't have to hear media crap about Spurs not winning anything, but this trophy is consolation prize for much lesser teams. Not something to brag about as top 15 richest clubs (beating mostly clubs with fraction of our resources).
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Foul voted. You're not a spurs fan and you never will be.

Imagine reaching this hard to shit on our major european trophy win. As if we have a billion trophies in the last decade to revel in.

If you can't enjoy our successes, then you have no place calling yourself a spurs or football fan.

No need to reply - you trolls are now getting blocked. Sick of you (thankfully the minority) lot denigrating our success. You're done.
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
Yeah the fact the doesn't do any of the training drill himself and relies totally on the coaches, yet he chooses novices to do it for him again is a big red flag. Montgomery and Jedinak are both Australians who are just starting their coaching careers. Neither should be anywhere near the EPL at this stage of their careers.

I don't believe we really saw the style of football he implemented at Celtic or Yokohama, and Im convinced its because the coaches he had there were much better at getting that style across to the players than the coaches he relied on here. Frankly I'm astounded he's taken them to Forest. smh.
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Montgomery is from Leeds, he grew up just up the street from me, went to the same school a few years above.

You're absolutely correct about his abilities, but he's defo not an Aussie.
 
citizenabel said:
In what fucking Universe....the Ropey is an amalgamation of the Uefa & the old cup winners cup so how on earth is the old Uefa comp more prestigious...just because you think it doesn't make it so.....put forward facts not fancy.
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I've been through this many times ...

The old UEFA cup featured (for a stretch at least, and in its core form when we won it) teams that finished 2-4 in their respective leagues. That actually means, or meant:

- in participation terms, it has more in common with today's CL, than yesteryear's EC
- the winners of the national leagues in the current seasons were more often in the UEFA cup than the EC

It was a very very hard cup to win. On a standalone basis, harder to win than the EC (ignoring the fact of having to win the league in the prior year to win the EC)

Take off the Scouse-Forest goggles and enjoy the fact we won (twice) the hardest international club competition in world football
 
Guido 🇺🇦 said:
Agree.

I'm looking forward to his first press conf there might be some clues as to what his brief is at Forrest. Let's not forget that Ange's brief when he joined us was to transform the way we played, move us away from the dross of Jose/Nuno/and Conte (only 6 months was good under Conte). In his 1st season I think he delivered on this with, his methods were there all to see from his 1st match.

I'm not so sure that's his brief at Forrest.
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There is also a myth perpetuated by some Ange-fans that he could be fabulously successful if (a) he has a full squad for his "full principles / Angeball" approach or (b) he abandons said principles, and he knows how to win.

Ange in abandoning principles mode will still be a bottom quarter of the table coach. Anyone who thinks we were good against a shite Man U team in that final is frankly deluded. We weren't. We couldn't keep the ball for 5 seconds.

That said, I do expect a bit of a bounce for Forest during the well-drilled half-life
 
citizenabel said:
Christ the state of our fanbase....fancy not knowing the difference

Not true, in fact it's a laughable comparison...out of all the comps the Uefa was (ECWC was bigger) the poor relation, made up for the weaker teams who were not good enough to win anything and evolved from the inter city fairs cup which is a 50% total of the Scum's success in Europe.

I don't wish to somehow make the trophy bigger than it actually is but it is the biggest European trophy that we've won since it's replaced the other defunct comps...that said I don't join in to the 'Champions of Europe' song because we're not.
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Now it is you that has a distorted view of history.

The European cup had only one entrant per country, and in effect only 4 or 5 realistic winners per season.
The cup winners cup had only one entrant per country.
The UEFA Cup was generally recognised as the hardest of the competitions to win, which generally had teams 2 to 5 in the leagues. You only have to look at the list of winners in the 80s (Real Madrid twice, Juventus, Ajax, Maradona’s Napoli, Inter, Spurs, Anderlecht who were a powerhouse back then) to see the strength of it. The level of teams that played in it, now olay in the Champions League.
Yes it evolved from the Fairs Cup, which UEFA don’t recognise, purely because they didn’t organise it.
Yes winning the Europa Cup was great, and to me matches the achievement of the 3 previous European wins, but in respect of competitiveness the UEFA Cup, as was before the Champions league was invented and diluted it, was a much stronger competition than the now defunct Cup Winners Cup, or the current incarnation of the Europa League, but ultimately that doesn’t matter, you can only beat the opponents you are against, and I will always be grateful to him for the Cup success, and wish him well
 
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manmountainbutters said:
Esp. when throwing around insults!
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not to mention the europa league has been made even easier the year we won it by not having CL dropouts, its nowhere near as prestigious or hard to win as the old UEFA cup.

that europa you can argue is actually our 13th most prestigious title. the 8 FA cups the club won before the FA cup was devalued due the the CL was more prestigious imo, both have been devalued due to the CL. both trophies have been hurt since the CL started taking in more that just league winners.

the irony is some silly idiots will think you are talking down the achievement haha not realising how much disrespect they are showing to the two UEFA cup wins.

the europa was a great win, after the league and the CL its the trophy to win, but lets not be silly and start talking about how its the biggest trophy the clubs won.
 
What a pointless argument, started by those who want to view our Europa League win as a 'lesser' achievement.

Same people who beat us with 'top 4 is not a trophy', etc year after year probably.

If they don't wanna celebrate then let them be miserable. If they wanna tell themselves it wasn't an achievement then let them.

They'll never be happy. Will always find a '...but...' with any success we have.

Dour sadsacks.

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The only thing more tiring than the “Europa League was a minor trophy” crowd are the weirdos who still haven’t accepted Ange is gone and was deservedly sacked for our worst league performance in 50 years.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Oh ffs, wake the fuck up.
It is by 10 country miles the weakest trophy this club has won. It is factually undisputable. Not an opionion but fact.

EL after CL teams do not fall into it from some point on is incomparably weaker than Carabao cup.
It literally has ALL the best teams not participating.

Awesome that we got CL place and can mock Arsescum and don't have to hear media crap about Spurs not winning anything, but this trophy is consolation prize for much lesser teams. Not something to brag about as top 15 richest clubs (beating mostly clubs with fraction of our resources).
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Your not Spurs mate!
 
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