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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
1882 said:
Reckon he's up for it...?

20 odd games left, given his first 10 for us, we could actually see a tilt for Top 5!!:ange-arms:
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Quality trolling. Unless…hang on a second…do you think?…is it possible?…no, surely not…but maybe…as an interim coach…perhaps, just perhaps…could he actually get a tune out of this squad?

I Dont Think So No Way GIF
 
CaptainCabinets said:
Trying to sieve the trolling here but the concept of bringing back Ange is like wanting to bring back TF when our next manager produces a team that can't stick two passes together. Brainless.
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Except one is a Tottenham Legend who showed on multiple occasions that he had something about him, or could get a team going.

The other is an absolute negative weasel who's ass licked and conned his way into a job.

Using "Brainless" in your post is as ironic as it comes.
 
SpursUpNorth said:
Can't help thinking about where we would have been today if we kept Ange?

He had his obvious flaws, but was liked and respected by the group of players, and was on a high with the EL cup. It was also a divided fan base on this, outside this forum I felt the general sentiment was keep, and we knpw the players wanted him to stay.

To answer my own question - most likely, not in the poisonous mess we are now
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Yes I thought he needed to go, but can't believe we would be in such a mess as we are now.
 
Mrs Perryman said:
Yes I thought he needed to go, but can't believe we would be in such a mess as we are now.
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We have 3 more points than Ange did at the same point last season, and were deeper in all competitions. And Ange didn’t have Micky or Romero for most of it.

There was a concerted effort to prioritise the Europa from the end of March but I don’t doubt that had Ange been able to call on Micky and Romero we’d probably have had more than 27 points.

Don’t get me wrong, he had to go but I very much doubt we’d be much worse off now had we kept him.

Frank is missing multiple key attacking players but what have any of us seen that will convince us that we will play better with them?
 
Shadydan said:
Comparing the two season league placings and points tallies is 'objective' really? Even though the context, circumstances, and overall performances behind those numbers are completely different every season? I don't think so somehow.

Looking at league position at the same point in the season without any context doesn’t tell the story. Last year we dealt with injuries, huge squad turnover, European fixtures, and Ange was working with a weaker squad than Frank has now. Even with all that, the underlying performances were better — we created more, controlled games better than how we control now, pressed better, passed the ball better, created more chances and despite how shit we were we actually at least had a better identity last season.
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Once you start trying to interpret context then it becomes subjective as every person will weight various contexts differently.
Wins, Losses, Points, table position are all objective facts and measurable KPIs.

Was Ange working with a weaker squad? Over his two seasons he got to use Son. Frank hasn't. He got to use Madders and Kulusevski. Frank hasn't. He got to use Solanke. Frank barely has. These are counteracted by Frank having Kudus, Palhinha as his signings. What is objectively true is that both managers have had to deal with far too many injuries for us to be able to build consistency.
Shadydan said:
Pointing out Frank’s shortcomings doesn’t mean last season was flawless. But pretending the two seasons are on the same level is lazy. Ange’s football, even when it went wrong, still had structure and promise. This season what can you hold onto that suggests anything of the sort?
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Does a structure or a discernible pattern of play really matter when the end result was still losing half the time?
Shadydan said:
And that cup final win wasn’t about being “less crap” — it was about delivering under pressure with a clear plan. Right now, this side doesn’t look capable of doing that consistently, we got to a final and delivered when it mattered, something that's not been done for 17 years prior and it sure as hell won't happen this season.

So sure, multiple things can be true at once — but trying to argue that last season was just as bad as this one is nonsense sorry.
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You're entitled to your opinion, and I disagree with it.
Angeball was garbage with us. With Celtic, Yokohama etc not so much.

Hence.. Why I'd rather neither.
Both are crap in differing ways.
 
Art Vandelay said:
Once you start trying to interpret context then it becomes subjective as every person will weight various contexts differently.
Wins, Losses, Points, table position are all objective facts and measurable KPIs.

Was Ange working with a weaker squad? Over his two seasons he got to use Son. Frank hasn't. He got to use Madders and Kulusevski. Frank hasn't. He got to use Solanke. Frank barely has. These are counteracted by Frank having Kudus, Palhinha as his signings. What is objectively true is that both managers have had to deal with far too many injuries for us to be able to build consistency.

Does a structure or a discernible pattern of play really matter when the end result was still losing half the time?

You're entitled to your opinion, and I disagree with it.
Angeball was garbage with us. With Celtic, Yokohama etc not so much.

Hence.. Why I'd rather neither.
Both are crap in differing ways.
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So you originally said that there's 'objective evidence' this season is better than last season and now you're saying it's subjective?

I will tell you what is objectively true, when Ange had his back 5 fit our PPG shows we were a top 4 team, Frank has had pretty much the same back 5 bar Udogie fit for the vast majority of the time and he's tanked, I'd absolutely hate to see where we'd be if Frank had Dragusin and Gray as his CB's.

Of course it does if you're comparing it to a style of play with 0 structure. Results swing, performance levels don’t. Losing with a framework gives you something to build on. Losing while looking directionless gives you nothing.
 
Spaniel said:
Couldn't even be bothered to tag, huh?
Why you always so rude to everyone?
Can't you just state your case without some kind of insult...?
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Why would I need to tag you when I quoted you, it's literally the same thing :porrohands:

How is that an insult, you're the one that started it by actually insulting the great man and actually being rude yourself...

Why are you even here if you don't want to talk about him, no one forced you to click on the thread, read the posts and reply lmao
 
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