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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Perryman said:
Almost all the defence out injured did play a part. We had Forster in goal for a few months , Gray at centre back.
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Absolutely spot on! So many people choose to erase this from memory. He kept the team believing until the VERY end.

Unbelievable stuff. Will ALWAYS have respect for a person like that. It's testament of unbelievable character.

Nobody will ever be able to take that away from him. Big Ange for a reason 💪🏻

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glacierSpurs said:
Honestly this question bores me to death... No much difference if we finished 9th or 17th WHEN we won the Europa that got us in to the fucking CL. A trophy and a ticket to more revenue in CL - wet dreams even the scum would love.

Losing a few millions in league standings is only a bigger issue for ENIC NOW because we are in for possibly another 14th to 17th league position WITH no trophy AND paying severance package for maybe sacking Frank as well.

I really find the execs running our club unusually stupid.
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This seems like the kind of thing someone could only say with a straight face if they don't actually watch matches.

Yes, there's a major difference between finishing 9th and 17th, the 9th place side you get to see a reasonable amount of wins and some decent football, the 17th place side you get an abject 2 hours once, sometimes twice per week.

Surely that's quite important? Or is supporting a football team simply about what prizes you have come May?
 
CJJ said:
No - it's people like you who post it as a ridiculous retort every time people make valid criticisms

Why can't you actually apply some pragmatism and see it's mutually exclusive, and quite realistic, to say "thanks for the trophy Ange, but you weren't very good in the Premier League and deserved to lose your job"

You know, instead of ignoring finishing 1 place above relegation - our lowest finish in 50 years.

We have a shit manager now who everyone agrees should be sacked, and yet we're still 3 points better off than we were this time last year, and we have people who are so called "supporters" looking back at it with hazy eyes,

We should have a bit more self-respect as a club and stop acting like we're Burnley
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This is a key point, with Frank everyone want's him gone, he's been rubbish and we want him gone, there's no splintered fanbase, no-Frankophobes and Frankofiles, just want him out because he's been poor.

There never was any anti-Ange sentiment, it was anti-shit manager sentiment.

Those on the other side of that debate simply got taken in by the patter of a conman, and are too embarrassed to acknowledge that so they're still doubling down. And some of them are just trolls too I guess...
 
Herclueless said:
This seems like the kind of thing someone could only say with a straight face if they don't actually watch matches.

Yes, there's a major difference between finishing 9th and 17th, the 9th place side you get to see a reasonable amount of wins and some decent football, the 17th place side you get an abject 2 hours once, sometimes twice per week.

Surely that's quite important? Or is supporting a football team simply about what prizes you have come May?
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That's why I capitalised and bold the word WHEN.

Towards end of the season knowing we have a chance of winning a trophy, the league standing becomes less of an importance to me. I can tell you any manager will prioritise the trophy. ANY MANAGER.

If the same thing happens this season knowing we are in the last 4 of the CL and we may get 17th again, I wouldn't hesitate and will go all in for the CL trophy.

The shit thing is we will likely get 17th with no CL trophy this season and it's not even February.
 
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glacierSpurs said:
That's why I capitalised and bold the word WHEN.

Towards end of the season knowing we have a chance of winning a trophy, the league standing becomes less of an importance to me. I can tell you any manager will prioritise the trophy. ANY MANAGER.

If the same thing happens this season knowing we are in the last 4 of the CL and we may get 17th again, I wouldn't hesitate and will go all in for the CL trophy.

The shit thing is we will likely get 17th with no CL trophy this season and it's not even February.
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But it's a complete revision to suggest that's what happened last season too, we'd already reached the point that there was nothing to achieve in the league well before the finish line for Europa was in sight.

As a Spurs fan of course I want the club to win trophies, but even more so I want to actually enjoy watching us every week and enjoy the feeling of victory more often than not. To write off a huge % of our fixtures as unimportant is a massive insult to the fans, perhaps more so the paying ones, but also not insignificantly those that take the time to be emotionally invested in this club for every fixture.

Both Ange and Frank (barring the miracle of all miracles) are not fit for the purpose of managing Spurs, it's bizarre that anybody, let alone large groups, feel the need to choose one or the other, it's not a binary question. Yet still, there are people seeing Frank fail and posing the question should we bring Ange back. No, we should seek someone actually competent, find someone with all of Ange's nice ideas about how to play football that is actually capable of implementing them into reality!
 
Herclueless said:
But it's a complete revision to suggest that's what happened last season too, we'd already reached the point that there was nothing to achieve in the league well before the finish line for Europa was in sight.

As a Spurs fan of course I want the club to win trophies, but even more so I want to actually enjoy watching us every week and enjoy the feeling of victory more often than not. To write off a huge % of our fixtures as unimportant is a massive insult to the fans, perhaps more so the paying ones, but also not insignificantly those that take the time to be emotionally invested in this club for every fixture.

Both Ange and Frank (barring the miracle of all miracles) are not fit for the purpose of managing Spurs, it's bizarre that anybody, let alone large groups, feel the need to choose one or the other, it's not a binary question. Yet still, there are people seeing Frank fail and posing the question should we bring Ange back. No, we should seek someone actually competent, find someone with all of Ange's nice ideas about how to play football that is actually capable of implementing them into reality!
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Revision? A bit like the type you're doing now to forget about the first season with Ange?

It's not a question of Ange vs Frank. Many didn't want Ange sacked in the first place - me being one of those.

All the stats and underline metrics in regards to play, possession, forward passed and goals scored indicate that Ange absolutely could implement a system involving attacking play.

As well as adapting when needed to get us over the line and win a trophy. A trophy which none of the "top" managers before him were able to get over the line for whatever reason.
 
candrews said:
As well as adapting when needed to get us over the line and win a trophy. A trophy which none of the "top" managers before him were able to get over the line for whatever reason.
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He didn't adapt, the players did. VDV even said it publicly when some of us said that was the case last season, he confirmed it. Despite all the denying by the cultists.

Trying to give the change of style in Europa credit to a manager who said he would never adapt NO MATTER WHAT, and said that publicly countless times in press conference, is ridiculous and so cult like.
 
Aphex said:
He didn't adapt, the players did. VDV even said it publicly when some of us said that was the case last season, he confirmed it. Despite all the denying by the cultists.

Trying to give the change of style in Europa credit to a manager who said he would never adapt NO MATTER WHAT, and said that publicly countless times in press conference, is ridiculous and so cult like.
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Shame the same players are failing to 'adapt' now eh... :davieshmm:
 
Aphex said:
He didn't adapt, the players did. VDV even said it publicly when some of us said that was the case last season, he confirmed it. Despite all the denying by the cultists.

Trying to give the change of style in Europa credit to a manager who said he would never adapt NO MATTER WHAT, and said that publicly countless times in press conference, is ridiculous and so cult like.
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VDV and Romero approached him to discuss changing the tactics. Postecoglu agreed that this should happen. Basically, he adapted. He didn’t do it under his own steam, but he did it. The players didn’t all nod along at the team talk and then huddle up and decide to do something different. They discussed it with the manager, like what happens all the time at every other club, and he decided they were correct, so the tactics changed.

The problem here is that, if you believe in some kind of Ange Cult, you’re going to look at everything that happened under a definite bias. Not healthy to believe in cults and bogeymen under the bed.
 
Sir Ledders said:
A lot of people were curious to see if he could make the step up even fans from other teams but we now see he is one of those guys who are destined to manage low level teams whose only ambition is to stay in the league.

We took the risk and its failed badly. This is a strange club. The managers like ramos, ange, graham can get us over the line for a trophy and the ones who had us competitive in the league playing good football can't.
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How did we fail badly? He got us 5th in season 3 places up from 8th with no Kane and a declining Son? In season 2 he got us to a domestic Cup Semi final and a European trophy in his second plus Champions League football this season where we're in with a show for a the last 8?

Oh but 17th in the league, well he paid for that with his job.
 
Herclueless said:
But it's a complete revision to suggest that's what happened last season too, we'd already reached the point that there was nothing to achieve in the league well before the finish line for Europa was in sight.

As a Spurs fan of course I want the club to win trophies, but even more so I want to actually enjoy watching us every week and enjoy the feeling of victory more often than not. To write off a huge % of our fixtures as unimportant is a massive insult to the fans, perhaps more so the paying ones, but also not insignificantly those that take the time to be emotionally invested in this club for every fixture.

Both Ange and Frank (barring the miracle of all miracles) are not fit for the purpose of managing Spurs, it's bizarre that anybody, let alone large groups, feel the need to choose one or the other, it's not a binary question. Yet still, there are people seeing Frank fail and posing the question should we bring Ange back. No, we should seek someone actually competent, find someone with all of Ange's nice ideas about how to play football that is actually capable of implementing them into reality!
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If we're happy to accept not winning trophies then that by definition is a "losing" mindset. It needs to change if we're to be recognized as a big club, rather than just a club with a big stadium and many fans. Its actually what Postecoglou's philosophy is. To win trophies. Which he has done,mnay times. unlike Frank who never has.
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
If we're happy to accept not winning trophies then that by definition is a "losing" mindset. It needs to change if we're to be recognized as a big club, rather than just a club with a big stadium and many fans. Its actually what Postecoglou's philosophy is. To win trophies. Which he has done,mnay times. unlike Frank who never has.
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Why mention Frank? I want him out too, as he's doing a shit job too.

Still in Europe though, which was apparently all that mattered last season.

Winning mentality though? Funny, whe I read about the inspirational winners of the game, a common theme is that they can't even stand losing in training, I seriously doubt that they would go out and write off more than half a season of league football in the hope of winning a pot.

Fucking dreadful mentality he oversaw still haunts us to this day.
 
Shadydan said:
😂😂😂😂 That's a new one, first time I've heard someone actually put blame on winning a trophy for our current plight, brilliant.

Thread is absolute comedy.
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I jest somewhat, but we allowed the league to be written off because let’s face it, we were safe.

That acceptance of losing in the face of the bigger prize means these players simply don’t care about losing now in the league.

There’s a reason they are more up for the European nights.

That’s the point.

We gambled that for the cup. Good job we won it though.

Shady, do you not think that the acceptance of 22 league defeats last year has anything to do with our squads attitude then?
 
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Murphy said:
I jest somewhat, but we allowed the league to be written off because let’s face it, we were safe.

That acceptance of losing in the face of the bigger prize means these players simply don’t care about losing now in the league.

There’s a reason they are more up for the European nights.

That’s the point.

We gambled that for the cup. Good job we won it though.

Shady, don’t not think that the acceptance of 22 league defeats last year has anything to do with our squads attitude then?
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I think it's probably more to do with the culture of the club, the board, the recruitment, the lack of accountability from board level downwards, the current manager who was supposed to be an improvement over the previous one and who's job it is to improve on our position and the attitude, mentality and fight in them so that there's no repeat of last season which was the actual reason why the previous manager was sacked.

The cup win is meant to be a springboard to push on and improve, what this club have done since is just gone backwards in every which way you can imagine and that's thanks to the people at the top.
 
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