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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Auscock said:
Such a "loser mentality" on here and within the club heirarchy.
Last season we actually WON something and you denigrate it because we finished 17th!
Who cares if we finished 17th, we were never at risk of relegation and we won the EL Cup.

Oh, you'll say, under Poch, we were always in the top six and one season we actually finished second!
Whoopy Do.
We finished top of the list of LOSERS!

We've won the PL twice, along with Derby, Burnley, PNE and Portsmouth. (sterling company eh.)
Tied 15th on the all time winners list.
And the rest of the big six have all won at least 6, with our arch rivals on 13!

Where is the "Winning Mentality"?

Ange won the Title in AUS, Japan and Scotland.
He said from day one that he "Always plays to Win" and further that "It will take 3 or 4 seasons to get where I want to be and challenging for the PL".

Did this forum back him? Some of them.
Did the club heirarchy back him? Absolutely not.
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As much as I agree he deserved more time and better signings to progress from 5th to challenging for a PL or CL title, Poch did that and was further away from relegation than Ange, so to denigrate Poch and claim Ange was nowhere near relegation is out of line.

Like I said, Ange didn't get relegated and deserved more time, and players, but if he started the next PL season in the same form as the past 18 months he still needed to go, more-so than Poch.
 
HyNdZee said:
As much as I agree he deserved more time and better signings to progress from 5th to challenging for a PL or CL title, Poch did that and was further away from relegation than Ange, so to denigrate Poch and claim Ange was nowhere near relegation is out of line.

Like I said, Ange didn't get relegated and deserved more time, and players, but if he started the next PL season in the same form as the past 18 months he still needed to go, more-so than Poch.
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I respect your opinion and understand where you are coming from.
However, it just seems to me that everyone is happy if we finish in the top 4 or 5 each season and think we've done well.
Shouldn't we be striving to WIN everything available?
We haven't won the PL in 65 years.
 
Mostly wrong said:
At what point does he take a brief respite from shitting on the club to defend Frank? He, at best, gives benefit of the doubt as to whether Frank knew what he was walking in to when he signed the contract, then proceeds to stroke his own metaphorical manhood a bit more by comparing himself to Frank whilst very intentionally using a phrase like "its not like its a progression from me", implying an improvement built on a strong foundation. He goes on to claim he "built that squad to play a certain way" but we won the competition that serves as the only saving grace of his managerial tenure playing more negatively than Frank has in the last 6 weeks with more senior players available.
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You're misinterpreting it.

Progression can mean an improvement but it can also mean a continuation. Clearly Frank and Postecoglou are at opposites of football philosophy so there was no continuation of Postocoglou's philosophy by Frank, and that's all he meant by it.

Posteocglou lost Maddison and Kulu for the Europa final, our only two attacking creative types in the squad so it made sense to play defensively.
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
You're misinterpreting it.

Progression can mean an improvement but it can also mean a continuation. Clearly Frank and Postecoglou are at opposites of football philosophy so there was no continuation of Postocoglou's philosophy by Frank, and that's all he meant by it.

Posteocglou lost Maddison and Kulu for the Europa final, our only two attacking creative types in the squad so it made sense to play defensively.
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Agreed 100% Sir Les
 
Auscock said:
I respect your opinion and understand where you are coming from.
However, it just seems to me that everyone is happy if we finish in the top 4 or 5 each season and think we've done well.
Shouldn't we be striving to WIN everything available?
We haven't won the PL in 65 years.
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The thing is, I'd argue that Poch could've won the Europa League if he finished 5th and fucked off the league the next season. And he probably could've won the League Cup if he fucked off the PL, CL, and FA Cup.

Just because Ramos and Ange had success that way, doesn't mean that they did better than Poch, or 'Arry, or Conte, or Jol in terms of finishing top 4 or 5 consistently with a top 8 squad.

Sometimes Poch would throw an important League Cup game just to beat the champions of the Premier League the next weekend.

Ange wasn't even capable of beating the top two or three teams in the Premier League, so he could say he wanted to win everything available as much as he wants, but we all know he won the only competition that Woolwich, Liverpool etc. weren't playing in.
 
Auscock said:
I respect your opinion and understand where you are coming from.
However, it just seems to me that everyone is happy if we finish in the top 4 or 5 each season and think we've done well.
Shouldn't we be striving to WIN everything available?
We haven't won the PL in 65 years.
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I'm reading some of the posts on the Return of the Poch thread....lots of people reminiscing how good they felt about the football they watched.... even though not a single trophy was won.

I want to be careful not to insult people which is not my intention, but that IS a loser mentality.

Playing well means you'll beat most teams most of the time. But ONCE you're in the top three or four, its fine margins in technical ability and talent. Winning comes down to mentality.

The Europa final as a spectacle was rubbish-but we won it because we wanted it more, perfectly encapsulated by Mickey's clearance. Postecoglu deserves credit for some of that.
 
HyNdZee said:
The thing is, I'd argue that Poch could've won the Europa League if he finished 5th and fucked off the league the next season. And he probably could've won the League Cup if he fucked off the PL, CL, and FA Cup.

Just because Ramos and Ange had success that way, doesn't mean that they did better than Poch, or 'Arry, or Conte, or Jol in terms of finishing top 4 or 5 consistently with a top 8 squad.

Sometimes Poch would throw an important League Cup game just to beat the champions of the Premier League the next weekend.

Ange wasn't even capable of beating the top two or three teams in the Premier League, so he could say he wanted to win everything available as much as he wants, but we all know he won the only competition that Woolwich, Liverpool etc. weren't playing in.
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I'm not denigrating Poch in any way whatsoever.
My understanding is that he was a marvelous manager when he was here before.
What I am saying is that, regardless of whichever manager, we seem to have a losing mentality rather than a winning mentality.
This needs to change.
 
HyNdZee said:
The thing is, I'd argue that Poch could've won the Europa League if he finished 5th and fucked off the league the next season. And he probably could've won the League Cup if he fucked off the PL, CL, and FA Cup.

Just because Ramos and Ange had success that way, doesn't mean that they did better than Poch, or 'Arry, or Conte, or Jol in terms of finishing top 4 or 5 consistently with a top 8 squad.

Sometimes Poch would throw an important League Cup game just to beat the champions of the Premier League the next weekend.

Ange wasn't even capable of beating the top two or three teams in the Premier League, so he could say he wanted to win everything available as much as he wants, but we all know he won the only competition that Woolwich, Liverpool etc. weren't playing in.
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But he beat City, he beat Liverpool, in the Premier League (both won the League ie the best in the PL at the time).

The injuries were huge. I've never before seen the likes of the catastrophic injuries under his watch, killing any momentum the team might have built. Some say his management was the cause but similar has happened under Frank, so maybe there is more to it.
 
Auscock said:
I'm not denigrating Poch in any way whatsoever.
My understanding is that he was a marvelous manager when he was here before.
What I am saying is that, regardless of whichever manager, we seem to have a losing mentality rather than a winning mentality.
This needs to change.
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Nah, you don't get it. The fans don't have a losing mentality.

The fans are aware ENIC gave Poch shit signings with shit wages and he worked miracles. No other manager is ever getting us to finish top 4 consistently and in a CL final ever again, because it is 10x fucking harder than winning a League Cup and a Europa League and nearly getting relegated.

Every manager with a better CV after him did worse.

Granted, Ange did better in a one-off final, and Jose wasn't given the opportunity in a one-off final (I suspect he would have done better than Mason).
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
But he beat City, he beat Liverpool, in the Premier League (both won the League ie the best in the PL at the time).

The injuries were huge. I've never before seen the likes of the catastrophic injuries under his watch, killing any momentum the team might have built. Some say his management was the cause but similar has happened under Frank, so maybe there is more to it.
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I agree he was gradually improving in big rival games, and the squad depth was poor, but he still never beat Woolwich in 4 attempts (lost 3), lost against Chelsea (4/4), lost against Liverpool 4 times total (conceding 3 goals or more each time), and only won 1 in 4 against West Ham.

Whilst he may have won the odd 1 in 4 against Liverpool and City in the league, that isn't actually a good enough record to get to a final of a League Cup or an FA Cup or a Champions League, not to mention finishing top 4 consistently.

It's also night and day to a manager like Poch who won more than he lost against Woolwich, and gave the rest of the top sides a run for their money.

I think recruitment is the main problem, don't get me wrong, but so are simple things like publicly not caring about a rivalry against Woolwich and not doing well at it.
 
We are supposed to be one of the "Big 6 clubs".
Look at the results in the PL since 2000.
MU & MC 7 each
Chelsea 5
Arse & Pool on 2 each.

How many titles have we got?
Zero since 1961.

Where is the Winning Mentality in this club?
Finishing 2nd, 4th, 8th or 17th?
You're still a loser. You didn't WIN.
 
Conte was bang on with his views after the Southampton game. He went out on his terms by calling out the board. He is still widely respected in the game.
Ange is a bitter fool who got sacked because he couldn’t win football matches. He only won the Europa because the players managed themselves.
What did his big interview with those wankers reveal? Oh spurs have shit owners. Eh duh!
 
simon j said:
Conte was bang on with his views after the Southampton game. He went out on his terms by calling out the board. He is still widely respected in the game.
Ange is a bitter fool who got sacked because he couldn’t win football matches. He only won the Europa because the players managed themselves.
What did his big interview with those wankers reveal? Oh spurs have shit owners. Eh duh!
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We don't have sh!t owners though.

We have owners who make too many poor decisions. I guess if that's the specific equation for sh!t then okay.

I wont veer from the fact this club spend money and lots of it. We just fail to spend it as well as we really should. That's the biggest failing by far.
 
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Auscock said:
Such a "loser mentality" on here and within the club heirarchy.
Last season we actually WON something and you denigrate it because we finished 17th!
Who cares if we finished 17th, we were never at risk of relegation and we won the EL Cup.

Oh, you'll say, under Poch, we were always in the top six and one season we actually finished second!
Whoopy Do.
We finished top of the list of LOSERS!

We've won the PL twice, along with Derby, Burnley, PNE and Portsmouth. (sterling company eh.)
Tied 15th on the all time winners list.
And the rest of the big six have all won at least 6, with our arch rivals on 13!

Where is the "Winning Mentality"?

Ange won the Title in AUS, Japan and Scotland.
He said from day one that he "Always plays to Win" and further that "It will take 3 or 4 seasons to get where I want to be and challenging for the PL".

Did this forum back him? Some of them.
Did the club heirarchy back him? Absolutely not.
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Does that 3 or 4 season timeline include the relegation he'd have overseen if given another season?

Take away his PR, which he was undoubtedly a master of, and just focus on the football and no one would still be backing him. 2 years in and he had failed to implement his ideas in an effective manner - we were further away from playing a good attacking brand of football or even an effective gameplan that could pick up points than when he initially came in or what he took over.

People queuing up to follow him off the cliff cos he gave them the warm and fuzzies in the media
 
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Auscock said:
We are supposed to be one of the "Big 6 clubs".
Look at the results in the PL since 2000.
MU & MC 7 each
Chelsea 5
Arse & Pool on 2 each.

How many titles have we got?
Zero since 1961.

Where is the Winning Mentality in this club?
Finishing 2nd, 4th, 8th or 17th?
You're still a loser. You didn't WIN.
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This is where you are wrong.

Do I personally prefer finishing 17th and winning a trophy? Yes.

But is it harder to win more games in the Premier League? Yes.

And is it financially better to finish top 4 consistently in the Premier League? Yes.

And did Poch and Conte win over 15% more than Ange as managers of Tottenham? Yes.

So did Poch and Conte have a better "winning mentality" than Ange and get closer than Ange? Yes.

And is it wrong to call all of the better previous managers of Tottenham losers? Yes.

And is it wrong to blame the fans who have no control over being the 7th spenders in wages? Yes.

And did we only co-incidentally last win the league when there was last a salary cap in the league? Yes.

And so does this have anything at all to do with some random Aussie cunts calling people losers in the media? No.
 
Mostly wrong said:
At what point does he take a brief respite from shitting on the club to defend Frank? He, at best, gives benefit of the doubt as to whether Frank knew what he was walking in to when he signed the contract, then proceeds to stroke his own metaphorical manhood a bit more by comparing himself to Frank whilst very intentionally using a phrase like "its not like its a progression from me", implying an improvement built on a strong foundation. He goes on to claim he "built that squad to play a certain way" but we won the competition that serves as the only saving grace of his managerial tenure playing more negatively than Frank has in the last 6 weeks with more senior players available.
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I see. So you couldn't find a source to back up your claims that Postecoglou made comment on whether "it was the right thing to do to sack Frank". But rather than hold your hand up and say "Yep, I got it wrong, I got baited by AI slop" you've doubled down and now made yourself look foolish again by misinterpreting the phrase "It's not like a progression from me" - which, again, isn't comparing outcomes it is comparing styles. He never once criticised Frank's style only commented that it was a very different from his own - just as he was very different from Conte/Nuno. It was comment on the haphazard nature of the direction from the top.

If you'd bothered to actually watch the interview you'd know that only thing Postecoglou criticised was the upper management of the club. And he was absolutely correct to do so.

But instead you've come on here and spouted a fuck ton of abuse. Look at it. Look at your language:
Mostly wrong said:
Just seen that he thinks it was the right move to ditch Frank, honestly this guy is a fucking master fraudster, by his own admission he should have been binned this time last year being that he was also out of both domestic cups, also in the bottom quarter of the table, and in the latter stages of a lesser European competition having finished in the same place in the table in the league stage, this also being while still having Son on the books and having Maddison, Kulu and Solanke available throughout the group matches.
Such a slimy fucking prick he can't even do the magnanimous thing that literally any current or former manager of any club would do and parrot the usual platitudes about giving managers time, being patient, the difficulties of the job, etc, how anyone can feel affinity to this absolute fucking slug of a human being is so far beyond me.
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And you were not "mostly wrong"; you were completely wrong. Absolutely sucked in by AI slop and your ridiculous need to abuse and bully and rage: hallmarks of the derangment that infests this site.

You need to calm down.

It would also be magnanimous for you to apologise.
 
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