You didn't read a word I said in my last post did you.
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You didn't read a word I said in my last post did you.
Yep and like I have said multiple times I'm yet to hear a good reason why this should be happening.
Just saying its fine cause we have to convince them to come to us and no one will come in without a window close is bollocks.
Unless it's Pep or some other European elite manger we have lined up (it's obviously not) no reason a manager wouldn't come in at this point.
Unless they think it's a mess they can't fix and if that's the case how they gonna fix that in the summer
Don't waste your time
This is Airfixx
Levy could chuck a dodgy cigarette on the floor of his executive box and burn the stadium to cinders
He could announce that we didn't bother to pay the insurance premiums and were not covered for the damages
He could then announce an agreement for the club to ground share with Woolwich for the next 10 years while the fans are charged a stadium tax to help fund a new stadium build
He could then announce a 20 percent payrise for delivering an alternative home for the club in the aftermath of the fire
He could then announce Sol Campbell as player manager on a lifetime deal
He could then announce Gary Doherty as the club's replacement for Harry Kane
And Airfixx would still be feeling "sanguine about the situation" and would further go on to proclaim that fans on social media were the reason for bad vibes and toxicity around the club
I got it the first time around thanks and i still disagree.
I simply said in the same time frame they were spending to get over the line, we spent absolutely nothing whilst being in the same competition and our paths ironically crossed in the final. Let me help you:
"Now what did Enic do on our road to European glory that same time?"
Simply setting the timeframe, it's not my fault you decided to inject an equivalence that wasn't even made in the first place. Obviously a direct comparison couldn't be made as we hadn't been in the final the season before.
If we go with your equivalence, it's certainly false:
"When we Lost the CL final we did the same having spent 100m to rebuild our MF"
We did not do the same, or a you literally just comparing numbers now. Spending to improve key areas of your team to fight again for a competition you nearly won, is not the same as spending because you neglected the squad the season before. We didn't spend to push on. To quote you again, it was to "rebuild". Poch managed to flog a dead horse to get us to the champions league final and need i remind you of our PL form which was dismal at the same time. We brought players like Ndombele to replace Moussa because we damn near ended his career by forcing him to play week in/week out because of the lack of squad depth due to the club choosing not to invest. I haven't met a single spurs fan that would imply the 19/20 spend was anything but resuscitation on that squad, and a failed one too.
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The concept of a "caretaker manager" (for that is what I said) isn't defined by a specific time-frame.
(The Chavs have had multiple caretakers win trophies, ffs.)
Regardless; as I said to another poster earlier, Mason could be in for as little as a few days for all you or I know....... Perhaps console yourself that we actually have someone in-house that can take the helm in an emergency and did pretty well last time he had to.
Mate, you're tripping over yourself to rally against the basic circumstance of it all.........
IF Poch isn't keen or doesn't want to start before the summer and Conte has already forced the club's hand in terms of sacking him (as he has) then what do you suggest? ....... IF the plan was to bin Conte off they would have probably done it last week, but they didn't.
Our cards have been dealt and we will play them.
We've been linked to a whole list of managers today.... Poch is the most likely, but the media get shit wrong ALL the time..... Chill..... We'll know more in a few days.
C'est la vie..... Basic facts are what they are though.
Heh...... Shame on me!
So you're averse to meaningful equivalence and would rather make more spurious, vague - if not entirely unrelated - comparisons instead cos it suits a particular narrative?
Liverpool's hand was forced into selling Suarez & Coutinho in quick succession which - alongside a run to the CL final in 17/18 - afforded them a cash injection to help revamp their team into a more complete version of itself..... That's their trajectory.
We were on our own on the other hand and found ourselves ahead of our 'curve' at a time we'd cut back our spending to fund a new stadium. Tough break timing wise, but it's not really it's not really any more untoward than that.
Yes, we botched out big spend window that a big CL run afforded us.... Doesn't mean we sat on our hands after the CL final loss; we tried to strengthen our weakest area..... Just like Liverpool did by replacing Lovren & Karrius. There's no denying that no signings in 18/19 had an adverse effect; but more so the last couple of seasons than it having a disastrous effect the very same season...... We were 3 points from top and in the title mix until we lost to Wolves at home Jan 19... Form hit a bad patch, Kane (and a few others got injured), Poch started to tinker and cup heroics aside we never found our footing again in the league that season.
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Nope, i just say what i say and correct people who try put words in my mouth. The original point of the post was to give an example of a club board that was actually responsible for getting it's team over the line by investing in it's squad and that it's ironic that we were victims to that very same improvement whilst we spent absolutely nothing on our squad. Can't help if that's lost on you.
The irony here is hilarious. You're implying Suarez and Coutinho were sold in quick succession despite them being sold 4 years apart. A rather spurious statement wouldn't you say? Hope you're not trying to make that suit a particular narrative about Liverpool's liquidity...
We were on our own, lol, we had a billionaire in Joe Lewis who's net spend in the 5 years leading up to 2020 was (-£40 million). That's right, Enic didn't invest £40m, they took £40 million. But it's just down to "timing" like you say.
I don’t suppose you can show where they ‘took’ 40 million?
Nah, I’ll save you the trouble. That’s not the way things work. If we spend less than we sell, it doesn’t go into the owner’s pocket.
I’m not arguing that they shouldn’t spend more on wages and transfers but they don’t pocket the difference.
Don't worry, i already went through the trouble. I don't know why you're assuming i think they pocket the difference in transfers; those words never came out of my mouth.
Report reveals how much money Spurs' owners have pumped into club compared to rivals
Some Spurs fans have long been crying out for Daniel Levy and Joe Lewis to splash the cash in the transfer window in order to...
Hopefully that also reminds people they didn't invest a dime of their own money in the stadium, they took out a loan
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Except it’s not actually paid to the owners. They don’t get a check for 40m. I’m guessing the ‘journo’ at the Spurs-Web isn’t a partner at PWC.Don't worry, i already went through the trouble:
Report reveals how much money Spurs' owners have pumped into club compared to rivals
Some Spurs fans have long been crying out for Daniel Levy and Joe Lewis to splash the cash in the transfer window in order to...www.spurs-web.com
I can send a link as to how transfers are accounted for if you like
Equally it seems the context of our own spending (or lack thereof) seems irrelevant to you.
Unless 2 sets of circumstances are similar then why should a comparison even matter?
OK, the 2 sales were further apart from each other than I recalled, but both sales(*) were still central to the start and finish of that squad evolving from Rodgers team that couldn't get over the lines to Klopp having one that did..... (*Equating to a 200m income boost whilst that was still considered big money)
They big difference maker with us is that our trf fuck ups were plenty and costly; whilst theirs were rare (having previously been dreadful when Dalglish was still knocking about).
"Our own" trajectory/curve.... Yes.........Not sure what else you think I meant there. The timing I spoke of is simply that any CL income we amassed in seasons prior to our final run would have been there to invest if not for the stadium project.... As it was; it became 'The House That Poch Built'.
Sorry mate... That 40m doesn't check out as negative spend (whether you meant including 19/20 or not):
19/20: 150.5 - 64.5 = €86m (n) spend
18/19: 0 + 5.35 = €5.35m (n) profit
17/18: 121 - 103.80 = €17.2m (n) spend
16/17: 83.5 - 52.3 = €31.2m (n) spend
15/16: 71 - 87.25 = € 16.25m (n) profit
14/15: 48.48 - 44.15 = €4.33 spend
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Yes, I think they took 40m out of the club accounts one year (IIRC it might have even been earlier than this period, but not 100% sure); but they put the money back in soon after.
Any ongoing accusations that ENIC have been bleeding money out of the club have never checked out.
Ultimately.
I've not argued for the idea that we didn't go through a spell of 'stadium austerity', but 'Liverpool spent and Spurs didn't' without context isn't a particularly meaningful flag to be waving.
To what ends did you state ENIC "took 40m" then........?
Report reveals how much money Spurs' owners have pumped into club compared to rivals
Some Spurs fans have long been crying out for Daniel Levy and Joe Lewis to splash the cash in the transfer window in order to...
Hopefully that also reminds people they didn't invest a dime of their own money in the stadium, they took out a loan
We as a club still had to fund a massive amount of cash upfront in order to kick start the project and be loaned the rest...... Somewhere in the region of 550-600m cash vs 700m loan IIRC (please afford a little wiggle room on the exact numbers as it's been a number of years since I looked at said info)
From the article you posted:
"This table perfectly illustrates why Spurs fans who criticise Joe Lewis for not pumping his money into the club, are not really clued into how we are run as a football club. Daniel Levy has made it clear time and again that we are run sustainably i.e we spend only the revenue we generate as a football club (which was supposed to be the purpose of FFP)."
For God’s sake, don’t try to discuss finances here.
I'm not talking about "We as a club" and the leveraging our revenue. I'm talking about our owners. Again:
Hopefully that also reminds people they didn't invest a dime of their own money in the stadium, they took out a loan
If you condone our owners not spending not a single penny of their own money because of FFP (which is monitored over 3 years at a time) then good luck to you. In the very same article 14 other clubs had owner financing in one form or another. Abramovich bankrolled Chelsea as much as £400 million at that time so i'm calling BS on FFP as a justification.
"Again:"
From the article you posted:
"This table perfectly illustrates why Spurs fans who criticise Joe Lewis for not pumping his money into the club, are not really clued into how we are run as a football club. Daniel Levy has made it clear time and again that we are run sustainably i.e we spend only the revenue we generate as a football club (which was supposed to be the purpose of FFP)."
You posted the article, not me..... I've not attempted to make a point about FFP. The highlighted part just seems to quite tidily address whatever broader point you're hoping to make.
It also contains this little gem:
"Levy has also kept his word by being more competitive in the transfer market once the stadium move was complete."
Just seems like you're posting 'stuff' at this point without considering too heavily where it leads.
Meanwhile, you still haven't explained:
To what ends did you state ENIC "took 40m" then........?
"Something something Chelsea/Abramovic" is never a particularly compelling addition to a debate about football finance; who's spending what, how and why.......
Closer to your earlier talk about Liverpool tho'.... From those figures they don't exactly seem to be lavishing them with cash either and what they have LOANED they are charging the club interest on. FFWD to now and Dippers fans would have you believe they've cut back in funding/spending even further. Maybe the sale of key players was a significant factor in their spending afterall....?
Money spent is amost a moot point now.
For a multitude of clusterfucking reasons Spurs are about to end another season without the manager they started with.
Another season without getting any closer to where Poch was when he was criminally underfunded.
There is clearly a massive cultural problem in the football club that ENIC built. There is no evidence that they have the will or knowledge to fix it.
The reason why it’s a good idea is the same as it was with Mourinho. The players do not like the manager, do not enjoy their work and are more likely to win matches if he’s not there.
If the players do not respect the manager then there has to be a change.
Who the fuck are most of these players to decide they don’t respect Antonio Conte? Or Jose? Or Poch? Or the next manager?
What have they done that gives them the lofty status to decide that the manager should leave and they should stay?
It doesn’t matter who decides. They’re human beings and they perform better in a happy environment, just like the rest of us.
