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Manager Antonio Conte

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If Conte walks or is sacked after having him, Jose and Poch we have basically signalled we have no fucking clue what we are doing.

Well, really hard to argue with that to be honest.
Add the brilliant appointment that was Nuno into picture as well!

Just makes me jealous to see what Howe is doing with Newcastle.
Not billion-euro-signings. Just playing to the strengths of players available and targeting exactly the players that the side is missing.

In that sense I do feel that Howe and Potter really could have been good options.
Well, latter will soon be available again, and it would fit our recent policy of signing ex-Chelsea managers, so.. :D
 
Well, really hard to argue with that to be honest.
Add the brilliant appointment that was Nuno into picture as well!

Just makes me jealous to see what Howe is doing with Newcastle.
Not billion-euro-signings. Just playing to the strengths of players available and targeting exactly the players that the side is missing.

In that sense I do feel that Howe and Potter really could have been good options.
Well, latter will soon be available again, and it would fit our recent policy of signing ex-Chelsea managers, so.. :D

Conte would have been fine had we paid (overpaid) huge money to get Bastoni and other elites. But we aren’t and for the record I was Potter in as I knew that someone like Potter would be more suited to our set up.

I don’t demand instant success, I demand a good style of football, with a clear long term strategy.
 
It's ironic that Conte is right.
We were knocking on the door
No Lloris fuck up and we are in good shape. I reckon we would have won the game.
But there was a Lloris fuck up.
He didn't do anything about it is the issue.
The subs he made were ridiculous.

And they offered nothing which is just as bad but it's messaging. Conte has to be all in on their ability. Give them the confidence that they are more than good enough.

If you keep talking of needing better quality it only provides one outcome.

At least feign belief until such time that new players arrive.
 
I read it as him saying anything higher than 5th is over achieving (and we've heard that before from other managers). It is the tactic of a man trying to protect his reputation when he knows he can only, and will, fail. I think he'll be gone at the end of the season.

All the ITK at the start of last summer suggested that Levy had finally changed his spots. We were promised massive investment and an overhaul of the squad. And at the time I think the majority felt very happy to see business done early in the window and players of the quality of like Perisic, Bissouma, and Richarlison coming in was a real step in the right direction. I'd even go as far as to say that at the end of the window I think most of us thought we'd had a much better window than Woolwich. We did however make two rather big mistakes.
  1. We stopped short of buying a world class CB, a defensive leader - we needed to significantly overpay and wouldn't.
  2. We did not get a top drawer RWB, so crucial to Conte's system, and instead bought a player for the future that history suggested Conte would not use.
We have been unlucky with injuries, and no-one could have predicted Son's massive and persistent slump in form, but all things considered we have messed up another golden opportunity. It will be back to the drawing board in the summer.

I agree with you in most parts.

But the thing is - addition of really good CB would have not changed the fact that the whole team moves ball so extremely slowly. There is no sharpness and creativity. It is Conte's very own pick to use only workhorses all around.

Sure - one quality CB would have helped things on defensive side and it could have meant us having few more points in the bag. But passing patterns and gameplan do not work all over the pitch.
 
Conte would have been fine had we paid (overpaid) huge money to get Bastoni and other elites. But we aren’t and for the record I was Potter in as I knew that someone like Potter would be more suited to our set up.

I don’t demand instant success, I demand a good style of football, with a clear long term strategy.

Honest reply from you, I can respect that.

But two more questions
- if we would have got Bastoni (+Richie, Bissouma, Perisic) - do you believe it would have changed much in terms or our overall performance all over the field?
- would addition of Bastoni, Richie, Bissouma and Perisic had been enough for Conte?
 
Having had some time to digest yesterday I think Conte’s comments after the game are fairly accurate. Not about the performance but our level as a squad.

When he talks about the “solid foundation” he means a first XI with a top player in every position. This is the foundation of a team that can compete at the very top. Then once you have that, you add one or two players every season the way that City and Liverpool have. When we were in our prime with Poch, we had that solid foundation. With the right transfers we could have taken the next step. Instead we signed a string of expensive flops and we are still building that core group.

Kulusevski and Bentancur are now our two most important players and there just isn’t enough life in the team when they aren’t there. We have to sign players in January otherwise the whole thing will collapse. There is not enough energy or quality in our squad.

Of course Conte has to take responsibility for the lack of intent and intensity in our play but who is going to play offensive or even just early passes with an XI like we had yesterday? Only Kane and he is playing like a walrus. Not signing Eriksen is looking more foolish every single week.
 
Conte seem to be alluding that we're a mid table team, and that we over achieved getting forth last season.

As things stand I don't see us beating the gooners come 15th January.
 
Honest reply from you, I can respect that.

But two more questions
- if we would have got Bastoni (+Richie, Bissouma, Perisic) - do you believe it would have changed much in terms or our overall performance all over the field?
- would addition of Bastoni, Richie, Bissouma and Perisic had been enough for Conte?

I love Bissouma but he is better in an all action front foot team, I honestly am not sure other than Perisic and Richarlison (who is always injured) Conte got the players he wanted.

Had we got Barella, Richarlison, De Virj, Dumfries, Perisic, Kessie/Mckennie, Bastoni who are what I would think of as Conte type players we would be getting far more results. If that is unrealistic then it again begs the question why get Conte?
 
I love Bissouma but he is better in an all action front foot team, I honestly am not sure other than Perisic and Richarlison (who is always injured) Conte got the players he wanted.

Had we got Barella, Richarlison, De Virj, Dumfries, Perisic, Kessie/Mckennie, Bastoni who are what I would think of as Conte type players we would be getting far more results. If that is unrealistic then it again begs the question why get Conte?

Sorry, but getting in 7 starting players within one window is unrealistic.
Not only for Spurs. For almost every club.

That would have been 9 starters with 2 windows?
Yea, Conte can be demanding but even he did not expect such outcome.
 
Sorry, but getting in 7 starting players within one window is unrealistic.
Not only for Spurs. For almost every club.

That would have been 9 starters with 2 windows?
Yea, Conte can be demanding but even he did not expect such outcome.

That is where we are though mostly because of our failed transfers or lack of activity of the past, we are massively making up for years and years of failure.
 
Conte seem to be alluding that we're a mid table team, and that we over achieved getting forth last season.

As things stand I don't see us beating the gooners come 15th January.
mid table team no, but 5-6th it's the realistic level ATM.
we're behind liverpool chelsea Woolwich man city man united. newcastle is a new reality with arab money

we could finish 4th with no injuries and with the key players that perform as usual. with this sonnie, this lloris, we're going nowhere
 
mid table team no, but 5-6th it's the realistic level ATM.
we're behind liverpool chelsea Woolwich man city man united. newcastle is a new reality with arab money

we could finish 4th with no injuries and with the key players that perform as usual. with this sonnie, this lloris, we're going nowhere
We've just been beaten and outplayed by a mid table team, I don't even remember a shot on target. On this form we'd be lucky to get 7th.
 
I think what he is saying here is completely accurate...


Quotes from the article:

"I continue to repeat that last season we made a miracle," he said of their fourth-placed finish last term in his press conference

"It happened, why? Because we played only one competition and we played with 12 or 13 players that didn't have injuries in the last 15 games.

"We played with the best players every game, because we played only the league. Don't forget that with three games to go, Woolwich was four points up from us - and that we finished 20 points behind Manchester City.

"We did a miracle, but I knew what the situation was and then I was very clear with the club [about what was needed] to become title contenders."

He continued: "I remember very well in the summer people talked about Tottenham as title contenders, but in my experience, it was a bit crazy to see this.

"To become title contenders, to become a team ready to fight to win something, you need to have a solid foundation, which means to have 14 or 15 strong players, with quality, and the other young players to develop.

"Every season, you can add two players, but two players priced £50m, £60m, £70m. In this way, it means you are signing important players who can improve the quality and the level of your team.

"But this is a process, guys. This is a process."

"People who think that you arrive and you win," he said. "This can happen for a team that are used in the past to winning. But if you are not used to it, it means you have to create the situation.

"For this reason, you need time, patience. I understand that the fans are disappointed because they can say they have had patience for a long time. I understand. But the situation is this: if you want the truth, I will tell you the truth."

Asked whether he feels Spurs fans have unrealistic expectations of their team, Conte added: "I don't have to think about what are the expectations. I know what is the reality.

"I am the coach, I live the club every day, I know the situation, I know the vision of the club. The club knows very well my thoughts about the situation.

"The situation was very clear. I continue to work to improve the club, to create a solid foundation and then to develop.

"At the start of the season, I was very, very clear with the club. I said: 'Okay, we can be competitive to win, but try to continue to improve in a way we can do it.'

"Because, also, you have to know there are clubs who can invest £200m, £300m and then other clubs who have different [policies]. You have to respect other [policies].

"But that has to be very clear to the people, because otherwise we create an expectation and it's not positive for the environment to create expectations that, in this moment, are not realistic."

Conte added that Spurs must now return to the transfer market and "buy strong" in order for him to continue the development of the team and avoid their slump continuing.

"I'm repeating this from the start of the season, but I was expecting this moment," he added. "Now, we have to buy strong, strong. Because the situation is that we are there, but in this league, you can slip quickly.

"I spoke also to my players and I said, the expectation is to grow, to fight, because from the first until the end, the road is not so long, you can slip quickly if you are not prepared and humble.

"If you ask me if I am scared, I'm not scared. I believe in my work, I believe in my players.

"But don't ask me about things I can't promise to you because this is only to create illusions and to give dreams. But at the moment you have to be realistic.

"Because if you are realistic, and you know the situation, you face the moment in the right way.

Speaking to Sky Sports, Conte said: "The message is always the same [to the fans]: I have never spoken about our team that this season we could be competitive, to fight to win.

"From the start of the season I say we are creating, we are building, we are trying to build a solid foundation because if you want to become a title contender and you want to try to win something during the season, you need to have solid foundations.

"Solid foundations mean you need to have your team, your squad, 13, 14 players strong, and then every year to put one, two important players to improve the quality. And for this reason, it means to invest £60m, £70m, £80m. In this way you improve the quality. Otherwise, if you go in every season not to spend...

"In this moment we have to create that solid foundation. We need to find 13, 14 players. We are trying to create this and then to start in every season to add important players, not normal players. Normal players don't make the difference. We need players that make the difference. Otherwise you have to go to develop a young player, then wait, you need to have patience. The situation at the moment is this.

"I always say the truth in my life. I don't want to create illusion. The club knows very well what I think and the club is 100 per cent, they think the same. Maybe it's good to send this message outside through the media because maybe someone can think we can be title contenders"


I don't see anything wrong with what he is saying personally.
 
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I read it as him saying anything higher than 5th is over achieving (and we've heard that before from other managers). It is the tactic of a man trying to protect his reputation when he knows he can only, and will, fail. I think he'll be gone at the end of the season.

All the ITK at the start of last summer suggested that Levy had finally changed his spots. We were promised massive investment and an overhaul of the squad. And at the time I think the majority felt very happy to see business done early in the window and players of the quality of like Perisic, Bissouma, and Richarlison coming in was a real step in the right direction. I'd even go as far as to say that at the end of the window I think most of us thought we'd had a much better window than Woolwich. We did however make two rather big mistakes.
  1. We stopped short of buying a world class CB, a defensive leader - we needed to significantly overpay and wouldn't.
  2. We did not get a top drawer RWB, so crucial to Conte's system, and instead bought a player for the future that history suggested Conte would not use.
We have been unlucky with injuries, and no-one could have predicted Son's massive and persistent slump in form, but all things considered we have messed up another golden opportunity. It will be back to the drawing board in the summer.
When does someone at the club stop messing up golden opportunities, and be accountable for the situation we keep finding ourselves in.
 
Having had some time to digest yesterday I think Conte’s comments after the game are fairly accurate. Not about the performance but our level as a squad.

When he talks about the “solid foundation” he means a first XI with a top player in every position. This is the foundation of a team that can compete at the very top. Then once you have that, you add one or two players every season the way that City and Liverpool have. When we were in our prime with Poch, we had that solid foundation. With the right transfers we could have taken the next step. Instead we signed a string of expensive flops and we are still building that core group.

Kulusevski and Bentancur are now our two most important players and there just isn’t enough life in the team when they aren’t there. We have to sign players in January otherwise the whole thing will collapse. There is not enough energy or quality in our squad.

Of course Conte has to take responsibility for the lack of intent and intensity in our play but who is going to play offensive or even just early passes with an XI like we had yesterday? Only Kane and he is playing like a walrus. Not signing Eriksen is looking more foolish every single week.

Nope, just hiding behind excuses. It needs to stop or sack him. Does nothing for the players

It's terrible management.
 
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I’m seriously concerned about Conte’s mental state and the effect it’s having on the players.
He is totally negative about the whole situation and even though he knows enough to dress it up and set lower expectations his negativity is dragging us down and preventing the team from performing at their best. This is producing performances like yesterday.
He isn’t wrong in what he says and I understand that he isn’t getting what he needs to be properly successful in this highly competitive environment but he needs to keep it behind the scenes and between him and Levy.
Weve got our issues but other teams have overperformed before (Leicester won the League, Portsmouth won the FA Cup etc, etc) and even with our squad we could perform better and certainly better than we did yesterday. But Conte needs to find a way of getting the best out of what he is given today and I don’t believe that he is and I suspect his inherent negativity isn’t helping at all.
 
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