Err, we lost to Sporting too.
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Manager Antonio Conte
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It's good against anyone, as it's meant to open up space in behind the opposition by drawing them forward. Against teams who are not particularly used to "dominating" possession, it is particularly effective, as they're not really structurally set up to dominate per se so, in theory at least, it should result in them being out of position more often when the counter happens.
Genuinely interested in your take here.....
Where would you rank the Argentinian league in terms of world football?
Similarly where would you place River atm in terms of clubs in the world?
Equivalent in terms of structure, perhaps....... (I won't push that point any further until I hear your response to the above)
I hope we've left some of the 150m kitty for January transfers after the WC
We're effectively using last year's starting 11 with the addition of Richi who has proven less effective than Kulusiveski to date in the PL
One can only hope Bissouma was a Conte signing - he absolutely must start ahead of Hojberg and be given a fair chance now
We're effectively using last year's starting 11 with the addition of Richi who has proven less effective than Kulusiveski to date in the PL
One can only hope Bissouma was a Conte signing - he absolutely must start ahead of Hojberg and be given a fair chance now
ALL comps this season:
6 wins
2 draws
2 loses
Hardly panic stations.
agree with the sentiment. Though the football this season has been draining and unimpressive he hasn't yet been here a year. As he always says he needs time to build his team the way he wants
Most people on this site have a better understanding of tactics than I do, but it seems to me that Conte makes a mistake in letting attack minded teams like Woolwich just have possession. I'm still glad we have him and don't want him gone, but Saturday was extremely frustrating to watch. I had hoped he'd make a formation change at half time and put Bissouma in the middle again. He seems pretty stubborn sometimes, but that doesnt make him any different than most managers.
I don't want him gone in the slightest -
But there is a certain dejavu to the outrage that he's being questioned and the reasons why he's being questioned in the first place.
And the same defence that's put up as to why he can't be questioned is remarkably similar to what was said the last time we had what many believed to be a world class manager.
It's bloody uncanny.
Unfortunately we didn't go that extra yard a few years ago when we were very close before City got the loot and a couple of other big teams were below par . Overall our recruitment has been poor and have wasted a pile of money then hang on to them . We can't seem to get a few good signings at the same time to push us on the bit we needed .
It's hard to compare but I would say, personally (as a fan), around the top 10. Maybe on par with Portugal (Remember we just got handily beaten by Sporting) and Holland.
The hard thing to compare is they have 28 clubs in their League.
River are current champions and lost Julian Alvarez to City so have been weakened. I'd say last season's team would be top 8 (top 6 achievable) in our League. I'd personally rate that side more than Manchester United's.
They had a player in Alvarez that currently can start for the best side in the world in Manchester City. That's the kind of quality they can achieve. They'd certainly give us a run for our money.
The existence of a Plan B or C is always welcome, but....
Those same tactics beat Man City last season and saw us unbeaten (and deserving of a win!) in both games against Liverpool last season.
I was just telling my son that Conte runs a modern version of Jose ball.
Yes, I'm just correcting him.
So why are you so opposed to the notion that Gallardo would still have to make a big leap and is a relatively unproven quantity?
(I'm more than happy to assume the guy has something about him; but today, like when we previously interacted on the subject you seems appalled by the above thinking.....)
I appreciate that there's no definitive metric, but still.....
So the current champs would finish 8th in the EPL....
You're only further proving my point here.
....Now transpose that difference in level to those cup competitions you were just comparing as equivalent to the CL & EL. On this basis, it seems that it would be generous to even compare their 'CL' with our EL considering 8th in the EPL doesn't even qualify for Europe.
2 things:
- Let's be straight here; Alvarez is a sub for City.
- Like most players that blossom in Sth,America s it's not long before they are scooped up by big European teams..... This is anything but a testimony to the strength of the Argentinian league itself.
He is no less an ''unproven quality'' than Poch was. Than Potter is. Than Guardiola was at Barca. Than Conte was at Juve.
Don't twist my words, I didn't say they'd finish 8th, I said they could achieve top 8 with top 6th a real possibility. Those are different things.
I also said that Alvarez CAN start for City (as he has done already multiple times). Again, don't twist my words.
Also, he's not unproven.
As ever, you always know best. But both Lionel Messi and Pep Guardiola follow that League for a reason and both believe Gallardo is one of the few elite managers on the planet. Barcelona wanted him. But I guess you know better. Like everything.
I seem appalled by the above thinking because you've never watched a River match in your life and keep saying your point is proven.
Watch a few matches, then talk to me and tell me I'm wrong. That Messi is wrong. That Guardiola is wrong. That Barcelona were wrong.
Lionel Messi and Pep Guardiola, having watched multiple River Plate matches and Guardiola in particular having scouted them thoroughly to acquire Julian Alvarez...
''Gallardo is one of the best managers on the planet''.
Random posters on a Spurs forum having never heard of him until a week ago and never seen a River Plate match...
''He's not good enough.''
Premface football fans in a nutshell.
''Gallardo is one of the best managers on the planet''.
Random posters on a Spurs forum having never heard of him until a week ago and never seen a River Plate match...
''He's not good enough.''
Premface football fans in a nutshell.
Ooh I don’t know. Only 30 league games left you know… in fairness, I am getting a bit twitchy at how we start slowly and seem to rely on ceding possession and defending. However, on Saturday it was 2 individual mistakes that ended the game as a competitive fixture. We were well in it at half time and were looking the better team
Agree with most of that but Son is becoming a real problem
Shearer highlighted what a poor game he had on MOTD not for the first time this season
I don’t know what’s wrong with him
Like playing with ten men with him in this form offering nothing in attack or defence
i mean he's always kinda been like this as many have observed. Last season with Kane sulking for most of it he became the main man and seemed to relish in that role and fulfill also with his best ever goal return
Now so far he is back to what we usually get since he's been here, an average of 14 league goals. incredible Hot streaks and periods of not looking very good.
Still just based on reputation alone even when he is poor, he scares the living daylights out of the opposition and does free up spaces for other forwards when we break
Sorry mate, that's cobblers......
By the time we hired him he'd already played a blinder at S'ton and had a good stint at Espanol.
Again. No. He had Brighton punching above their weight in the EPL and thanks to PROVING himself in a top league he now has a big job.
Whom had a question mark over him until he proved himself in a top league.....
Look, we could go on like this all day, but listing unproven managers (sketchy list, but whatever) isn't gonna go any way to establishing that Gallardo IS proven nor that he is a guaranteed success at the top level.
Chill out... I'm trying to take your comments at face value rather then going down a meta wormhole of every micro point.
8th - 6th? Ok split the difference... Let's say 7th..... My point still completely applies..... 7th gets Conference League.
Alvarez? Fine... City squad player. This proves the caliber of Argentina's league how? As I've already said; their clubs get cherry picked quick sharp. Meanwhile, quality players areproduced far and wide.... RBSaltzberg seem to have churned out some good talent in recent years..... Are now to revere Switzerland as a top league?
By your measure he's never managed in a top 9 league.
Oh spare us this crap.....
I've not critiqued the bloke in any way; other than to say he's yet to prove himself in a top league. Which is FACT..... Your OWN quantifications in your pevious post are establishing my point for me. He IS unproven in a top league.
Again; your OWN quantification (not mine!) in your previous post are arguing my point for me. He IS unproven in a top league.
You best show me somewhere where I so much as once said that he's not good, will fail or anything of the sort..... Until then "Stop twisting MY words".
Sadly, you don't seem to be able to recognise a good-faith discussion when presented with one.
The last few posts can speak for themselves... I'm out.