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Ladies and Gents of TFC - here is Mick Boomer!Take a look in your own mirrors before you start laughing at other people, you risible, dull witted ignoramus.
Apologies if others have made this point, I'm only just catching up.I don't get what's odd about subbing Vinicius for Kane under the circumstances. When you need a win, Kane is still a tiny bit better than Vinicius.. Or at least that's what Jose thinks, quite reasonably in my opinion.
It is Mourinho’s fault for lack of preparation. You can’t say that on paper the second XI is worse in talent than Antwerp’s first.I don't think it's Mourinho's fault..if the second XI can't beat a team from the Belgian league then there is truly some dead weight in the squad who don't deserve to be wearing the jersey at all
I don’t understand how you arrive at 4 for Berg and Bale, but 5 for Dele. Guess it’s just varying degrees of shite.That pop-up hell hole that is football.london have stuck up their player ratings. Quite fair on the whole, although flattering to Dele and a tad too low for Vinicius in my opinion.
Hugo Lloris 6
Serge Aurier 5
Davinson Sanchez 6
Ben Davies 5
Sergio Reguilon 5
Harry Winks 5
Dele Alli 5
Gareth Bale 4
Steven Bergwijn 4
Carlos Vinicius 5
Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg 6
Erik Lamela 6
Lucas Moura 6
Son Heung-min 6
Harry Kane 6
That pop-up hell hole that is football.london have stuck up their player ratings. Quite fair on the whole, although flattering to Dele and a tad too low for Vinicius in my opinion.
Hugo Lloris 6
Serge Aurier 5
Davinson Sanchez 6
Ben Davies 5
Sergio Reguilon 5
Harry Winks 5
Dele Alli 5
Gareth Bale 4
Steven Bergwijn 4
Carlos Vinicius 5
Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg 6
Erik Lamela 6
Lucas Moura 6
Son Heung-min 6
Harry Kane 6
Lo Celso 4That seems very high for everyone across the board, but I think they always are a point or three high on players and somewhat understand that they don't want to risk angering the club or players as they have to deal with them on a daily basis.
Alli should be lowest on the team, having him above Bergwijn and on par with Vinicius is ridiculous. I don't see any of the 6's outside of maybe Lloris who should probably get a N/A since he didn't really have to do anything and had zero shot at their goal.
Did they miss Lo Celso or did it just not get copied? I would hope he got a 6 at minimum and based on those ratings should have had a 7 at least.
Lo Celso 4
Why didnt he play?
We have been scoring a shit load of goals, and playing some of the best football in the league.
One defeat and it's all doom and gloom again, why?! Easy to blame the manager isn't it?
So here's my take. Jose said that it was a risky line up. He was right, it's easy to say with hindsight (and let's not forget, when the line-up was announced, people were unanimously positive, apart from maybe Hugo in goal). It was clear in the first half that it didn't gel. I doubt that anyone knows why exactly, and I imagine Jose will be asking himself a shitload of questions. He strikes me as a man who is intensely self-critical. Whatever.
So then, after a poor first half, he makes four changes (maybe in retrospect, that was too many? Who knows). And yes, we looked a very different team in the second half. My problem with that was that I thought Lo Celso and Vini looked liked our better players in the first 45. Whatever, clearly Jose had a plan, a shape in mind, and it sort of worked, we looked a lot better in the first part of the second half, but that sort of petered out as well. Which is what I don't get. You can blame the usuals - Winks (who I thought had a decent game, although I doubt anyone will agree), Sánchez, Davies, Aurier, pick your scapegoat), but the fact is that Kane and Son were every bit as poor as Bale, Dele and the aforementioned had been. Lamela won the ball enthusiasically and then lost it, Lucas too...
So I would say, asd I've said before, the responsiblity lies across the board, no one escapes. Thankfully, it's not a season-defining defeat, but one we certainly have to learn from sharpish
What was so risky about that line up last night?
We have two of the best goalscorer in Europe,International players galore, why were we not able to beat a team of players most of whom I have never heard of. . Is there a jynx on this club?. We've now got most of the players we wished for, no excuse for what happened last night. Completely bewildered and so disappointed, where do we go from here?i don't know what Bill's response would be but for me what was risky was starting 3 attacking players that were all out of form and who Jose was hoping would play themselves into it (Alli, Bale, Bergwijn).
I understand that all 3 need game time to see if they can get back to where they were but, as much as I don't want to see them at the PL level, I think Lamela and to a lesser extent Moura have shown that they should be key parts of our Europa League side.
I also think that having Winks, who just isn't good enough, and Lo Celso who Jose only seems to be willing to play 45 mins was a terrible option to pair with 3 guys who you are hoping will give you a performance.
We played Dele, Bergy, Bale.What was so risky about that line up last night?
Please explain?
My opinion is that rotation for the sake of it is counterproductive as (in the case of the defence) it works against forming a unit that works together and instinctively 'know' what the other player will do
Now please explain why this perfectly reasonable proposition is 'laughable'. Presumably your view is that playing a LB/LWB (and I use the term loosley) at CB last night was a master stroke of rotation? Alderweireld or Dier (if he was fit) should have played (as I guess they will do on Sunday).
Playing two games a week is not onerous and certainly not 'running them into the ground'. I'd argue that most players would prefer to play twice a week as it keeps them match fit and lightens their load for 'normal' training, i.e. they wouldn't do anything strenuous the day before or after a game.
Now, without resorting to insults like 'crap' or 'laughable' or posting meaningless pictures or memes (the last resort of a person who has nothing to say), please give us the benefit of your wisdom.
I'm still waiting for my chocolatesGoodmorning everyone,
What a match it was last night for us, the players gave it all they had, our coach had b@lls putting up 1v1 marking defence, because we arent nearly as half skilled as the Spurs players. They really worked as a team, fighting for eachother and the coach, thats what we as fans want. Im not gonna come And gloat here because we took our 10 to 1 shot and won. Its just the beauty of football, everyone can beat anyone. Im pretty sure u guys will win the return, just a small hick up for the Spurs, not a big deal for you. For us it was like I said before one of THE games of the season, and our players acted like it. Still feels like somewhat like a hollow victory because if it wasnt for covid I woulda been in the stadium and probably still be in the café right now and not prepping for work. So as a fan its a weird feeling, we couldnt celebrate our cup win and now we cant celebrate our most famous win in recent history. It blows.
And also i seen comments here about Haroun (the 35yr old lol) in the beginning of the season he was tested as one of the top3 players of the league with the best endurance and he still is pretty fast to, hes bad at the last pass and finishing but he sprints from goal line to goal line like Husain Bolt lol and back. And our nr 4 Seck, believe it our not we bought him from a Saudi or Qatar team for 25.000€, and hes been a monster in defence, he had matches hes a one man army, not the finest of players but a No nonsense type a player.
Thank you all for the kind words for my team and the friendly hello I got here.
No man overboard for u guys, u will still easily qualify for the knock out stages and I hope u kill in the Prem! Dont let man shitty win the league pls. Have a great friday all! Belgian beers for all the lads and chocolates for your ladies!