Yeah I’m sure David Beckham thought to himself ‘Na no point in putting these corners in the box’ when they were 1-0 down to Bayern with 3 minutes left
Just because something is hard to do doesn’t mean stop trying
Strong retort tbf.
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Yeah I’m sure David Beckham thought to himself ‘Na no point in putting these corners in the box’ when they were 1-0 down to Bayern with 3 minutes left
Just because something is hard to do doesn’t mean stop trying
What a bizarre come back. Who the fuck has said or is saying that a corner taker shouldn't try? Has naming David Beckham changed the statistic?Yeah I’m sure David Beckham thought to himself ‘Na no point in putting these corners in the box’ when they were 1-0 down to Bayern with 3 minutes left
Just because something is hard to do doesn’t mean stop trying
Why are you putting in so much effort to advocate Eriksen passing the ball to the nearest defender from a ludicrous number of corners? In no way was this beneficial to us.What a bizarre come back. Who the fuck has said or is saying that a corner taker shouldn't try? Has naming David Beckham changed the statistic?
The facts are that 97% of ALL corners taken DO NOT result in a goal. This includes Beckham's and Eriksen's corners. Name checking Beckham doesn't change the stat or do you think it does?
You said that corner takers shouldn’t bother putting the ball into the box because it’s a low percentage way to scoreWhat a bizarre come back. Who the fuck has said or is saying that a corner taker shouldn't try? Has naming David Beckham changed the statistic?
The facts are that 97% of ALL corners taken DO NOT result in a goal. This includes Beckham's and Eriksen's corners. Name checking Beckham doesn't change the stat or do you think it does?
EVERY team moans at their corner takers are shit, on account that their team doesn't score from corners. The reason they have made this subtle observation is because NO team scores from fucking corners, hence and fully supported by the fact that 97% of corners taken result in NO goals scored.Why are you putting in so much effort to advocate Eriksen passing the ball to the nearest defender from a ludicrous number of corners? In no way was this beneficial to us.
I didn't see the first half apart from the goal (dreadful goal keeping), apparently he linked up well though. I didn't see much from him in the second half, hit a decent free kick and missed Inter's biggest chance. I certainly wasn't missing him after what I saw.
No, I didn't say that. I said this "Only 3% of corners result in goals. It really, really doesn't matter". Meaning it doesn't matter where the ball is played, as this stat includes EVERY corner placement.You said that corner takers shouldn’t bother putting the ball into the box because it’s a low percentage way to score
Naming David Beckham was a reference to show how important corners can be. His two corners won them the European Cup in injury time, apologies that you didn’t understand that, everyone else seemed to
Anything else you need explaining?
3% might seem negligible, but as stated already, and quite obviously, it is greater than the 0% of hitting it at the first defender constantly. I'd mich rather score from 3% of our corners than zero.No, I didn't say that. I said this "Only 3% of corners result in goals. It really, really doesn't matter". Meaning it doesn't matter where the ball is played, as this stat includes EVERY corner placement.
Beckham's corner was one of the 3% though, might just name every corner taker that's assisted from a corner, what does that show? Tripp's corner against City that Llorente scored from, was still part of the 3% from Corners. A 97% failure rate means they aren't important, there is no argument on planet earth that can convince otherwise.
We score from 3% of our corners!!! How fucking hard is it to understand this? It's an average that INCLUDES Tottenham Hotspur FC.3% might seem negligible, but as stated already, and quite obviously, it is greater than the 0% of hitting it at the first defender constantly. I'd mich rather score from 3% of our corners than zero.
Besides which, whilst it might not sound like much, small margins in elite sports can make all the difference.
Besides which again, if you arbitrarily take a figure of 380 corners over a season, a complete stab in the dark based in an average of 10 per game, 3% of that is 11.4 goals, leagues have been decided by less.
Well I'm not understanding your point, you keep harking on about only 3% chance as if it means there's no point in trying and it doesn't matter if your take lumps it straight to the first defender.We score from 3% of our corners!!! How fucking hard is it to understand this? It's an average that INCLUDES Tottenham Hotspur FC.
Said similar about crosses IIRC.You said that corner takers shouldn’t bother putting the ball into the box because it’s a low percentage way to score
Naming David Beckham was a reference to show how important corners can be. His two corners won them the European Cup in injury time, apologies that you didn’t understand that, everyone else seemed to
Anything else you need explaining?
The way we were playing before Covid we might as well have not bothered taking the kickoff, less than a 3% probability we were gonna score...Said similar about crosses IIRC.
His corners are exactly the same as EVERY corner taker in the league is the point!!! He's no better or no worse. You're ranting at a corner taker that's statistically at the average of corner taking, HE'S BETTER (this year than de Bruyener, who no doubt over a longer period of more than a season will probably also be on average numbers too. In fact good chance he's probably less as City have consistently been at the top of the number of corners taken for years now).Well I'm not understanding your point, you keep harking on about only 3% chance as if it means there's no point in trying and it doesn't matter if your take lumps it straight to the first defender.
No one is saying that it's a guaranteed goal if you whip it into the box, nor that near post corners aren't as effective, just that it's annoying to see your set piece 'specialist' putting in such poor corners, if the aim is to hit the near post then you'd still like it to beat the first man more often than not.
Some fair points, I guess the main bone of contention then is that you give Eriksen the benefit of the doubt in that he was just doing as he was told and the end result of so many frustrating corners is down to statistical likelihood then?His corners are exactly the same as EVERY corner taker in the league is the point!!! He's no better or no worse. You're ranting at a corner taker that's statistically at the average of corner taking, HE'S BETTER (this year than de Bruyener, who no doubt over a longer period of more than a season will probably also be on average numbers too. In fact good chance he's probably less as City have consistently been at the top of the number of corners taken for years now).
3% is not the "chance" it's the actual conversion rate. Within this 3% are also goals scored at the front post area, the area that Eriksen is aiming at, so the conversion % actually decreases if you remove this near post stat. The reason for doing this is because what is being argued is he should be putting the ball elsewhere than the near post. I'm saying it's just as bad aiming for the penalty spot, the back post, the edge of the box pull back ANYWHERE, as the conversion % is so fucking low.
Would you enjoy our players trying to score from their own half by trying that say 10 efforts (roughly our average number of corners) per game, hoping it went in. I mean Kane, Adam, Rooney, Beckham, Alonso, Jennings & Robinson have all succeeded from achieving it? Given the number of times it's attempted I'd wager the conversion rate is surprisingly high. Worth "trying it", poor attitude & never give up and all that.
There is also that. I haven't read anywhere about the instruction given to the players about our set-pieces so it's impossible to say for sure but seeing that Poch was a controller (like Pep & Guardiola) who train and are very meticulous with their attacking phases it's a fair guess to say that Eriksen was acting under instruction to aim for the near post (early on Dier, Kane & Toby all would score from this area) unless Poch or Eriksen specifically state we will never know. Like you, I can't be arsed to trawl through the numbers but when Tripps took some of the corners my gut tells me that he too was attempting to hit the near post area (I may be wrong but I have little memory of him hitting another area with frequency, but stand to be corrected on that).Some fair points, I guess the main bone of contention then is that you give Eriksen the benefit of the doubt in that he was just doing as he was told and the end result of so many frustrating corners is down to statistical likelihood then?
I suppose it's possible, though I don't think it's unfair to have been disappointed with the quality of his delivery for his last few years with us, perhaps it's just that the first man efforts stand out more infuriatingly, or maybe they were always like that but subconsciously he got a free pass whilst the rest of his game was top notch. Though to me once it became apparent that his contract was running down an overall sloppiness seemed to spread throughout all aspects of his performance, and maybe that swayed me into feeling that his set piece delivery also deteriorated significantly.
I'd also have hoped though, that with the frequency at which the first man seemed to have been hit, that our coaching staff would have instructed him to mix it up a bit more, but we'll never know if this was or wasn't the case.
His free kicks did also seem to tail off, from a point where I felt he was a threat from anywhere within 30 yards, to the point where I always expected a scuffed effort into the wall. Again maybe this was psychological, and tbh I don't care enough to do the research to see if the stats bear it out.
Agree about Lamela's, they look pacier, more whipped, whilst Eriksen's just looked under hit half the time. With Lamela even if it hits the first man, it at least looks like it would have been dangerous if it had beaten him, as daft as that might sound.There is also that. I haven't read anywhere about the instruction given to the players about our set-pieces so it's impossible to say for sure but seeing that Poch was a controller (like Pep & Guardiola) who train and are very meticulous with their attacking phases it's a fair guess to say that Eriksen was acting under instruction to aim for the near post (early on Dier, Kane & Toby all would score from this area) unless Poch or Eriksen specifically state we will never know. Like you, I can't be arsed to trawl through the numbers but when Tripps took some of the corners my gut tells me that he too was attempting to hit the near post area (I may be wrong but I have little memory of him hitting another area with frequency, but stand to be corrected on that).
Aesthetics has so much more to do with it I think. I'd say that Lamela is a good corner taker but why would I say that? Is it because he hits a flat ball into the box? Is it because it's different from Eriksen's and therefore refreshing? The one thing that's not any different is that the average stat of goals scored from corners is unchanged. In some years we've bettered the average and in others, it's been below but there is nothing significant in terms of swing to suggest it's a massive outlier.
The only Club I think that bucked all the stats was WBA about 3yrs ago (I think it was the year Chadli 1st joined them?) and Pulis had them significantly above the 3%, I can't recall the actual number but it was for a short space of time tracking almost double-digit. However, it didn't last long, not even a full season and they ended up around the mean. I think what swung it was literally this was their entire game plan, win a corner and/or a FK 30yrds or so out. Their set pieces were highly drilled but when they were so relied upon once the oppo has had time to analyze what they are doing it becomes really easy to prevent it. (Delap's long throw would also be an example of this too).
he even tried a bit of tackling.... long way to go thoughHis dead ball kicking was always spectacular in training, very rarely managed it in games, especially big games, for us.
By the way, my cousin who played for Malta (probably 3rd/4th Division standard), also scored from a corner once. Unless it's a regular occurrence, you have to say it could be a bit of a fluke.
You know, Davies can put in a good cross. I wonder why he doesn't get to take corner from time to time.Agree about Lamela's, they look pacier, more whipped, whilst Eriksen's just looked under hit half the time. With Lamela even if it hits the first man, it at least looks like it would have been dangerous if it had beaten him, as daft as that might sound.