Indirectly- he's already won. He played the rest of last season and in the euros. FWIW I don't think there's a chance he's found guilty in court either.
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Oh god, I've got into an argument with a couple of Chelsea mongs on Facebook about this :avbfacepalm:
some of the gems:
"How the fudge can u make a complaint 2 the police wen u dint even hear the alleged words bein z?? Ferdinand ur a prick
"
" Dont mean to trivialise all this but if some one called me a white c*nt i would be offended at being called a c*nt not white ??????"
"Lol exactly amanda! Besides how r u ment 2 describe a black or white person wivout usin their colour? I don't c y ferdinand is even draggin it thru court, if he didn't hear jt say it wots the point in all this?? They're goin on the say so of a damn fan"
"I think and believe JT said "I didn't call you a black c**t you blind c**t" the videos they show on youtube are the clear evidence.When he was saying "I didn't call you" Ashley was covering the camera so all they see is the "black c**t" part and this is enough for the bandwagons and wannabes to get on JT's neck.If he really would have said "you black c**t" Ashley and Obi Mikel would have turned their head and ask JT what he said,don't you think?"
"Absolutely. If ur a racist its 2 a race not just an individual."
"We are of Irish origin and people always comment on how pale we are,we have been called luminous,snowwhite and when Danielle was born the doctor said she was like a porcelain doll I dont see that as racist its a factual statement we are really really pale x"
I then wade in
"The point is by calling someone a black cunt you are trying to use their race as an insult. The footage is clear as day, you can see Terry say it, and it's not the first time he's been accused either. If he didn't play for Chelsea you wouldn't be thinking the same way"
says:
"Yeah I wud, I dint fink suarez was a racist. U can't b a racist 2 blacks n socialise n play football wiv them. If ur racist 2 1 black u hate them all. That's the definition of a racist. U hate a race, not just 1 person. N how can u b racist against ur fellow race?? We r a race of english, last time I looked ferdinand n jt r both english. N he ain't black, he's half cast"
me :
"half-caste is also a racist term btw. There are racists in every day life who work with those they consider to be beneath them, I've known many a person to throw around racist words to describe people and yet be friendly with the person they are referring to when face to face. Suarez and, indeed Terry, might not be "racist" and have hatred of a "race" but they made racist remarks, which doesn't make them any better
Terry isn't in court for being a racist he's in court for making a racist remark, and no one has accused him of being racist. The accusation is he has made a racist remark, which is an illegal act in this country.
Also, English isn't a race it's a nationality, race refers to your ethnic background not your country of origin. If you are anti-english or anti any nationality, that is xenophobia"
:
"Ok if u get attacked by a black man n u get asked 2 describe him wot do u say? Black is a discription of a persons colour. The 'n' word is racist. U wudnt get no action taken if sum1 called u a white c#*t. Its cos they're a different colour 2 our main population. Its pathetic"
moi :
You don't call someone a black cunt without the intention of using the word black in a derogatory manner, to suggest that somehow there is something wrong with it. Why not just call him a cunt? and yes, action can be taken if someone called you a white cunt, and you have the evidence to back it up.
it :
"It won't b dealt with as severely as this. I don't c how callin sum1 black is derogatory neway. Ok its highlightin the fact ur a different colour. If u call sum1 wearin glasses 4 eyes ur highlightin the fact they're different. Same thing"
Not replied again yet, but calling someone four eyes is to highlight they're different apparently? I mean WTF. :avbshock: :avbfacepalm:
some of the gems:
"How the fudge can u make a complaint 2 the police wen u dint even hear the alleged words bein z?? Ferdinand ur a prick
"" Dont mean to trivialise all this but if some one called me a white c*nt i would be offended at being called a c*nt not white ??????"
"Lol exactly amanda! Besides how r u ment 2 describe a black or white person wivout usin their colour? I don't c y ferdinand is even draggin it thru court, if he didn't hear jt say it wots the point in all this?? They're goin on the say so of a damn fan"
"I think and believe JT said "I didn't call you a black c**t you blind c**t" the videos they show on youtube are the clear evidence.When he was saying "I didn't call you" Ashley was covering the camera so all they see is the "black c**t" part and this is enough for the bandwagons and wannabes to get on JT's neck.If he really would have said "you black c**t" Ashley and Obi Mikel would have turned their head and ask JT what he said,don't you think?"
"Absolutely. If ur a racist its 2 a race not just an individual."
"We are of Irish origin and people always comment on how pale we are,we have been called luminous,snowwhite and when Danielle was born the doctor said she was like a porcelain doll I dont see that as racist its a factual statement we are really really pale
x"I then wade in
"The point is by calling someone a black cunt you are trying to use their race as an insult. The footage is clear as day, you can see Terry say it, and it's not the first time he's been accused either. If he didn't play for Chelsea you wouldn't be thinking the same way"
says:"Yeah I wud, I dint fink suarez was a racist. U can't b a racist 2 blacks n socialise n play football wiv them. If ur racist 2 1 black u hate them all. That's the definition of a racist. U hate a race, not just 1 person. N how can u b racist against ur fellow race?? We r a race of english, last time I looked ferdinand n jt r both english. N he ain't black, he's half cast"
me
:"half-caste is also a racist term btw. There are racists in every day life who work with those they consider to be beneath them, I've known many a person to throw around racist words to describe people and yet be friendly with the person they are referring to when face to face. Suarez and, indeed Terry, might not be "racist" and have hatred of a "race" but they made racist remarks, which doesn't make them any better
Terry isn't in court for being a racist he's in court for making a racist remark, and no one has accused him of being racist. The accusation is he has made a racist remark, which is an illegal act in this country.
Also, English isn't a race it's a nationality, race refers to your ethnic background not your country of origin. If you are anti-english or anti any nationality, that is xenophobia"
:"Ok if u get attacked by a black man n u get asked 2 describe him wot do u say? Black is a discription of a persons colour. The 'n' word is racist. U wudnt get no action taken if sum1 called u a white c#*t. Its cos they're a different colour 2 our main population. Its pathetic"
moi
:You don't call someone a black cunt without the intention of using the word black in a derogatory manner, to suggest that somehow there is something wrong with it. Why not just call him a cunt? and yes, action can be taken if someone called you a white cunt, and you have the evidence to back it up.
it
:"It won't b dealt with as severely as this. I don't c how callin sum1 black is derogatory neway. Ok its highlightin the fact ur a different colour. If u call sum1 wearin glasses 4 eyes ur highlightin the fact they're different. Same thing"
Not replied again yet, but calling someone four eyes is to highlight they're different apparently? I mean WTF. :avbshock: :avbfacepalm:
Why the need to "highlight" the difference when having a row? Is it relevant? Not in the slightest.
I'm still trying to get my head around the argument that he was repeating the insult sarcastically in response to a false (to his easily-distracted adulterous mind) accusation from a man who hadn't heard the racial abuse that Terry was refuting. Unless one of them is Doctor fucking Who, I'm pretty sure that makes no sense whatsoever and absolutely annihilates Terry's bullshit case.
If he's found not guilty it will be truly shameful, and make all of the anti-racism work in football seem so utterly futile.
I'm still trying to get my head around the argument that he was repeating the insult sarcastically in response to a false (to his easily-distracted adulterous mind) accusation from a man who hadn't heard the racial abuse that Terry was refuting. Unless one of them is Doctor fucking Who, I'm pretty sure that makes no sense whatsoever and absolutely annihilates Terry's bullshit case.
If he's found not guilty it will be truly shameful, and make all of the anti-racism work in football seem so utterly futile.
I really couldn't read more than a few sentences of that shit.
Verbal diarrhea.
Verbal diarrhea.
By the way all those comments were made by people in their late 20's or 30's, clearly it's very hard to use correct English on Facebook 
Cripps14 said:
linnet_spur said:By the way all those comments were made by people in their late 20's or 30's, clearly it's very hard to use correct English on Facebook
I've got an acquaintance (~26) on Facebook who writes everything in CAPS lock and leaves out most of the vowels. Needless to say this individual has been hidden from my News Feed.
Smoked Salmon said:tricky said:As he has been charged with s31(c) of crime and disorder act (ostensibly the 'racially aggravated' s5 Public Order Act offence), the 'sarcasm' element would appear to be particularly targeting the mens rea element under s6(4) of 'intent' under POA1986.LLB Part Deux said:
Also reckon he'll get off, he's too stupid to intend any insult deliberately as far as I can tell. And yes it probably does mean that his highly paid solicitors have come up with a defence which stands a chance of working.
Won't mean he isn't a racist though, just not a convicted one. And that is where perception is far greater than any fine or judgement against him.
nb. Is it me or are there a few legal types around here?
The reason I think it's a bullshit defence is that s6(4) contains an alternate, namely that a person can be guilty of the offence if he is aware that the action may be disorderly. Now, to me, even if it's sarcasm, you'd have to be a pretty stupid person not to know that the use of a racial slur, even if said sarcastically, in the company of black players, can create disorder.
Or am I barking up the wrong tree?
What do you reckon?
I agree, Mr Terry is pretty stupid.
And combine the 'Sarcasm' with the concept of sportsman-like 'banter' and you have no real intent either to deliberately create disorder or indeed even think that it could lead to disorder.
Add to that fact that he will offset any slur by highlighting the multi-cultural team set up at Chav HQ anyway, and you to start to add sufficient 'context' to lower the case to well below 'beyond reasonable doubt'.
The game is also highly televised and refereed so it is safe for, shall we just call him 'Mr Cunt' from now on as his name makes me wretch, Mr Cunt to assume that his actions could be in any way likely to create a situation of 'disorder'.
It is unfortunately too easy to make a decent case for reach of the alternatives under 6(4), which is a shame. They don't even need to contest the actus reus in this case. Mr Cunt is too think to either intend or realise disorder is likely.
And as you know the standard of proof is so high, it is easier to raise defences in criminal cases.
Whilst I accept your reasoning for suspecting that there will be enough scope for an aquittal, I am not so sure that I buy the idea that any footballer is too stupid to realise that a racial slur may cause disorder, and I am not sure a judge would either. After all, for as much as you can balance a mixed culture squad against the incident, you can also say that for a great many seasons now there has been a definate effort by the FA and political groups to see racism removed from the game. so it's hardly a foreign concept to players.tricky said:
If Ashley Cole knew what Terry said to Anton Ferdinand, and still had a pop at Ferdinand then he's an even bigger cunt than I initially thought
[tweet]https://twitter.com/DickinsonTimes/statuses/222591350447681536[/tweet]
:laugh:
:laugh:
he really is an asshole http://soccerlens.com/the-john-terry-controversies-a-complete-list/86817/
[tweet]https://twitter.com/BLUE_VIGO/statuses/222637671862894592[/tweet]
Thelonious said:[tweet]https://twitter.com/BLUE_VIGO/statuses/222637671862894592[/tweet]
That timeline is hilarious. Personal favourite was this one
[tweet]https://twitter.com/BLUE_VIGO/status/222639434028433408[/tweet]
Can't believe that someone believes he's being genuine
he's a legend!
Thelonious said:
No arguments from me. Even though I did winced at the Officer Dibble tweets
What kind of cunt introduces themselves in a taped interview as "John Terry Chelsea and England"
Lost a close family friend and one of the nicest guys I've ever known to a long running battle with leukaemia yet tossers like Terry can get away with absolutely everything. No justice on this shitty chunk of rock
Lost a close family friend and one of the nicest guys I've ever known to a long running battle with leukaemia yet tossers like Terry can get away with absolutely everything. No justice on this shitty chunk of rock
Apparently working with charities in Africa demonstrates that he's not a racist.
Fucking hell. One step from "some of my best friends are black".
Fucking hell. One step from "some of my best friends are black".