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From KUMB and I would say a fair assessment?

Re: All or nothing Tottenham Hotspur (non WHU)
Post by pezza20 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:59 pm

Whatever you say about those c**** they are a well run, excellently marshalled club, it makes us look like Del Boy versus George Soros.

Examine the facts - Levy had no intention of getting the OS, he used the bid as a means to extract the maximum goodwill from the local council where huge swathes of jobs would have been lost from North to East London.

After the 'pretend' bid they got exactly what they wanted and more. ENIC remember are the owners and are indeed an investment grade vehicle so could guarantee the B of E loan to capture extremely low interest rates - marry that to Del Boy Sullivan who was charging 7% now 3.5% on a 'loan' to buy the club, the benefits of the Upton Park ground giveaway (there is a lot of **** bound up in that deal that whilst legal asks huge questions) and you get the idea.

Our owners merely moved to ensure the minimum outlay required to not only return their 'investment' of £110m in 2009 but make a shot load off the back of it with no risk attached.

Let's face it, even if the club went bankrupt now, their losses are zero when you lump in the handsome interest they have earned over the last 11 years coupled with the money they've trousered on past deals with the old stadium.

Whatever they get for the club ion 2023 will be upside. Spurs meanwhile will continue to grow and develop with cash rich owners, with sound business sense and a clear strategy.

We meanwhile are lumbered with the idiotic two stooges and lapdog Brady - who couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery
 
I read this yesterday on the KUMB site, which I quite like in the main. I understand they make comparisons but they should be, for many reasons, redundant. COVID-19 put to one side (if one can), we shouldn't even be seen as a comparison to them, in both their or our eyes. We (the club) neglected our transfer needs over 2 years when it was the time to move on. We didn't so they still cling to us as the beacon to follow. It really shouldn't be so.

I don't think we are enough 'a well run, excellently marshalled club' (although everything is relevant) as if we really were, this comparison wouldn't even be an afterthought, let alone a post on their website, and subsequently on ours.

MoPo wasn't the answer as he wasn't smart enough to move on and develop with his own team, and we needed to move on (personally, Mourinho wasn't my choice but needs at least a full season). Levy and ENIC are, of course, our equivalent to their GSB but there really shouldn't be a comparison. But we haven't moved on enough to negate the comparison.
 
It’s amazing how many people don’t understand how corporate debt works.

Think we have paid for the stadium with a £1bn Credit Card @ 25% APR which needs to be repaid in 12 months
I'm trying to understand your second paragraph, are you suggesting we need to pay back £1bn with interest within 12 months? Because, and I'm no expert, but I'm pretty confident we don't.
 
From KUMB and I would say a fair assessment?

Re: All or nothing Tottenham Hotspur (non WHU)
Post by pezza20 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:59 pm

Whatever you say about those c**** they are a well run, excellently marshalled club, it makes us look like Del Boy versus George Soros.

Examine the facts - Levy had no intention of getting the OS, he used the bid as a means to extract the maximum goodwill from the local council where huge swathes of jobs would have been lost from North to East London.

After the 'pretend' bid they got exactly what they wanted and more. ENIC remember are the owners and are indeed an investment grade vehicle so could guarantee the B of E loan to capture extremely low interest rates - marry that to Del Boy Sullivan who was charging 7% now 3.5% on a 'loan' to buy the club, the benefits of the Upton Park ground giveaway (there is a lot of **** bound up in that deal that whilst legal asks huge questions) and you get the idea.

Our owners merely moved to ensure the minimum outlay required to not only return their 'investment' of £110m in 2009 but make a shot load off the back of it with no risk attached.

Let's face it, even if the club went bankrupt now, their losses are zero when you lump in the handsome interest they have earned over the last 11 years coupled with the money they've trousered on past deals with the old stadium.

Whatever they get for the club ion 2023 will be upside. Spurs meanwhile will continue to grow and develop with cash rich owners, with sound business sense and a clear strategy.

We meanwhile are lumbered with the idiotic two stooges and lapdog Brady - who couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery
OmG TheRE aRe LEvYBotS oN kUMb :mourpoint:
 
we shouldn't even be seen as a comparison to them, in both their or our eyes
No Spurs fan see's any comparison to them what so ever, we just like to take the piss out of them. Some of their more deluded fans might compare themselves to us but most of them know deep down they're light years away from us.
Levy and ENIC are, of course, our equivalent to their GSB
Really? You're comparing Levy/Enic to Gold, Sullivan and Brady. You must be having a laugh.
 
No Spurs fan see's any comparison to them what so ever, we just like to take the piss out of them. Some of their more deluded fans might compare themselves to us but most of them know deep down they're light years away from us.

Really? You're comparing Levy/Enic to Gold, Sullivan and Brady. You must be having a laugh.

Last night I was very, very very drunk.
 
I'm trying to understand your second paragraph, are you suggesting we need to pay back £1bn with interest within 12 months? Because, and I'm no expert, but I'm pretty confident we don't.
I think he's saying that the Levy defenders think that.

On the other hand some people think that because the loan has been put into long term bonds that we should be spending more. Not a thought about what happens when those bonds end and we have to pay the capital back.
I think atm we are only paying the interest?
 
OmG TheRE aRe LEvYBotS oN kUMb :mourpoint:
Does he not realise spam have Karen Brady? She's ace at business, she's even been on the telly about it so she must be a brilliant business woman and is a great role model to aspiring young ladies everywhere.

I know she works for two porn barons and is happy to promote her daughter prancing about in her pants but that's irrelevant
 
It’s amazing how many people don’t understand how corporate debt works.

Think we have paid for the stadium with a £1bn Credit Card @ 25% APR which needs to be repaid in 12 months

We have around £600m stadium debt (those CL runs must have certainly helped us cover a lot) that have now been refinanced as low interest bonds out to around the 15-30 year averages, we are fine.

Yeh I don’t get the panic over our debt, it’s miles off and we can always re-issue even later down the line.

 
I think he's saying that the Levy defenders think that.

On the other hand some people think that because the loan has been put into long term bonds that we should be spending more. Not a thought about what happens when those bonds end and we have to pay the capital back.
I think atm we are only paying the interest?

I would be very surprised if we where only paying off the interest, if that is the case then the question would be what are we doing with all the extra cash we get that the stadium is generating if it is not going towards capital repayment. That would require a big explanation considering the interest is relatively small.

If we do get to a situation where by we have capital repayment issues then the bonds would be rolled but probably at a high coupon.
 
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