Player Dejan Kulusevski

bus-conductor · 2 Nov 2024

bk_spur said:
Look- I actually do respect your analysis in most other respects- I just very much disagree with your assessment of Kulu.

I would advise anyone who disagrees with my opinion of Kulusevski to peruse this excellent work by

SeeSpotRun

It highlights why I do not share your admiration for Kulusevski.

SeeSpotRun said:
xG Creation Index...

I started looking at this on the Maddison thread but have extended it. Basically it's the sum of the xG's of all of the shots that a player has been involved in, as shooter, assist or secondary assist. The only thing I don't count is the penalty taker for penalties, since they weren't involved in "creating" the chance. I do count whoever won the penalty, and whoever passed it to them.

All the underlying data is published on fbref but they don't do a total, so here it is:

Top 30 from the EPL last season:

Player
xGC
90’s
xGC/90
Mohamed Salah
38.75
28.2
1.38
Cole Palmer
36.53
29.0
1.26
Ollie Watkins
34.52
35.7
0.97
Erling Haaland
34.05
28.4
1.20
Anthony Gordon
33.93
32.1
1.06
Bukayo Saka
31.98
32.4
0.99
Nicolas Jackson
31.97
31.1
1.03
Alexander Isak
29.82
25.1
1.19
Bruno Fernandes
29.30
34.6
0.85
Martin Odegaard
29.10
34.3
0.85
Darwin Nunez
28.46
22.7
1.25
Phil Foden
28.39
31.7
0.89
Luis Diaz
28.21
29.2
0.97
Son Heung-min
28.16
32.6
0.86
Julian Alvarez
25.81
29.4
0.88
Dominic Solanke
25.17
36.9
0.68
Kai Havertz
24.19
29.3
0.83
James Maddison
23.94
23.7
1.01
Morgan Gibbs-White
23.85
35.1
0.68
Bruno Guimaraes
22.65
36.3
0.62
Jarrod Bowen
22.28
33.5
0.66
Alejandro Garnacho
21.94
28.5
0.77
Leon Bailey
21.77
23.0
0.95
Brennan Johnson
21.64
23.2
0.93
Joao Pedro
21.33
22.7
0.94
Rodri
20.96
32.6
0.64
Pascal Gross
20.87
34.6
0.60
Dejan Kulusevski
20.51
30.7
0.67
James Ward-Prowse
20.38
33.3
0.61
Yoane Wissa
19.93
27.7
0.72

It reads like a bit of a who's who which suggests it's a pretty useful stat. Not too many surprises, thought Rodri might be a bit higher.

Top 50 from the "Big 5" leagues last season:

Player xGC
90s xGC_90
League
Mohamed Salah 38.75 28.2 1.38 EPL
Harry Kane 38.63 31.54 1.22 Bundesliga
Cole Palmer 36.53 29.0 1.26 EPL
Ollie Watkins 34.52 35.7 0.97 EPL
Erling Haaland 34.05 28.4 1.20 EPL
Anthony Gordon 33.93 32.1 1.06 EPL
Kylian Mbappe 33.20 23.98 1.38 Ligue 1
Serhou Guirassy 32.42 24.53 1.32 Bundesliga
Bukayo Saka 31.98 32.4 0.99 EPL
Nicolas Jackson 31.97 31.1 1.03 EPL
Lois Openda 31.86 29.97 1.06 Bundesliga
Leroy Sane 31.67 23.74 1.33 Bundesliga
Rafael Leao 31.43 27.91 1.13 Serie A
Deniz Undav 31.08 23.21 1.34 Bundesliga
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang 30.59 29.13 1.05 Ligue 1
Alexander Isak 29.82 25.1 1.19 EPL
Bruno Fernandes 29.30 34.6 0.85 EPL
Marcus Thuram 29.16 29.86 0.98 Serie A
Martin Odegaard 29.10 34.3 0.85 EPL
Darwin Nunez 28.46 22.7 1.25 EPL
Iago Aspas 28.39 30.08 0.94 La Liga
Phil Foden 28.39 31.7 0.89 EPL
Luis Diaz 28.21 29.2 0.97 EPL
Son Heung-min 28.16 32.6 0.86 EPL
Artem Dovbyk 27.73 28.74 0.96 La Liga
Khvicha Kvaratskhelia 27.68 30.41 0.91 Serie A
Xavi Simons 27.18 29.48 0.92 Bundesliga
Lautaro Martinez 26.80 29.51 0.91 Serie A
Alex Baena 26.59 28.66 0.93 La Liga
Nico Williams 26.49 25.14 1.05 La Liga
Donyell Malen 26.01 19.79 1.31 Bundesliga
Julian Alvarez 25.81 29.4 0.88 EPL
Florian Wirtz 25.76 26.36 0.98 Bundesliga
Jonathan David 25.65 29.21 0.88 Ligue 1
Jonas Hofmann 25.39 24.49 1.04 Bundesliga
Dominic Solanke 25.17 36.9 0.68 EPL
Robert Lewandowski 24.92 30.56 0.82 La Liga
Nicolo Barella 24.89 31.62 0.79 Serie A
Savio 24.85 33.07 0.75 La Liga
Ilkay Gundogan 24.23 33.27 0.73 La Liga
Kai Havertz 24.19 29.3 0.83 EPL
Alexander Sorloth 24.07 27.66 0.87 La Liga
Chris Fuhrich 23.97 28.52 0.84 Bundesliga
Jamal Musiala 23.95 19.50 1.23 Bundesliga
James Maddison 23.94 23.7 1.01 EPL
Rodrygo 23.85 26.44 0.90 La Liga
Morgan Gibbs-White 23.85 35.1 0.68 EPL
Marvin Ducksch 23.43 29.96 0.78 Bundesliga
Vinicius Junior 23.40 20.71 1.13 La Liga
Antoine Griezmann 22.78 29.38 0.78 La Liga

Spurs last season (minimum 500 minutes played):

Player xGC
90s
xGC_90
Son Heung-min 28.16 32.6 0.86
James Maddison 23.94 23.7 1.01
Brennan Johnson 21.64 23.2 0.93
Dejan Kulusevski 20.51 30.7 0.67
Pedro Porro 16.70 34.3 0.49
Richarlison 13.22 16.6 0.80
Timo Werner 9.50 9.0 1.06
Pape Matar Sarr 8.91 23.0 0.39
Destiny Udogie 8.68 26.6 0.33
Cristian Romero 6.74 31.0 0.22
Rodrigo Bentancur 5.92 11.2 0.53
Yves Bissouma 5.56 23.0 0.24
Pierre Hojbjerg 4.91 14.6 0.34
Ben Davies 4.28 12.1 0.35
Giovani Lo Celso 3.51 5.6 0.62
Emerson 2.71 12.9 0.21
Oliver Skipp 2.05 7.9 0.26
Micky van de Ven 1.52 26.0 0.06
Guglielmo Vicario 0.38 38.0 0.01

Spurs this season (9 rounds in, minimum 300 minutes played):

Player xGC
90s
xGC_90
James Maddison 7.40
7.4
1.00
Dominic Solanke 6.08
6.9
0.89
Son Heung-min 5.44
5.8
0.94
Dejan Kulusevski 5.32
7.5
0.71
Brennan Johnson 5.21
7.7
0.68
Destiny Udogie 3.05
8.3
0.37
Cristian Romero 2.79
9.0
0.31
Pedro Porro 2.47
9.0
0.28
Micky van de Ven 1.82
7.9
0.23
Rodrigo Bentancur 1.60
4.4
0.36
Yves Bissouma 0.98
4.0
0.25
Guglielmo Vicario 0.32
9.0
0.04

EPL top 20 this season so far:

Rank Player 2023/24 Rank xGC
90s
xGC_90
1 Mohamed Salah 1 10.52
8.7
1.21
2 Cole Palmer 2 10.08
8.6
1.17
3 Erling Haaland 4 9.67
9.0
1.08
4 Nicolas Jackson 7 9.01
7.7
1.18
5 Bukayo Saka 6 8.80
7.2
1.22
6 Kai Havertz 17 7.61
9.0
0.85
7 Savio (Girona) 7.41
5.0
1.47
8 James Maddison 18 7.40
7.4
1.00
9 Bruno Fernandes 9 7.05
8.3
0.85
10 Adama Traore 279 6.96
7.7
0.91
11 Luis Diaz 13 6.85
5.9
1.16
12 Antoine Semenyo 73 6.51
8.7
0.74
13 Eberechi Eze 32 6.26
9.0
0.70
14 Danny Welbeck 68 6.16
8.3
0.74
15 Dominic Solanke 16 6.08
6.9
0.89
16 Marcus Tavernier 63 6.07
7.7
0.79
17 Michail Antonio 120 6.00
6.2
0.97
18 Ollie Watkins 3 5.79
7.6
0.76
19 Harvey Barnes 137 5.76
5.3
1.08
20 Morgan Rogers 5.72
8.2
0.69

When you consider how much harder Maddison works to make himself available to receive the ball (evidenced by how much more he sees the ball) and how much harder he works in defensive transitions ( tracking etc) it’s amazing how his thread is not full of acolytes praising him, but Kulusevski seems to have so many admirers.

Substance>style

The Extra Mile(sey) · 2 Nov 2024

bus-conductor said:
I would advise anyone who disagrees with my opinion of Kulusevski to peruse this excellent work by SeeSpotRun

It highlights why I do not share your admiration for Kulusevski.

When you consider how much harder Maddison works to make himself available to receive the ball (evidenced by how much more he sees the ball) and how much harder he works in defensive transitions ( tracking etc) it’s amazing how his thread is not full of acolytes praising him, but Kulusevski seems to have so many admirers.

Substance>style

People have an attachment to Kulusevski and to a lesser extent Bentancur , they were the first players that we brought in about 5 years that actually had a semblance of decent impact on the side , initially at least

They became the proof that our recruitment had been fixed

Anytime someone had the temerity to question our transfer operations, Kulusevski and Bentancur were parroted back at them

sudoku · 2 Nov 2024

bus-conductor said:
I would advise anyone who disagrees with my opinion of Kulusevski to peruse this excellent work by SeeSpotRun

It highlights why I do not share your admiration for Kulusevski.

When you consider how much harder Maddison works to make himself available to receive the ball (evidenced by how much more he sees the ball) and how much harder he works in defensive transitions ( tracking etc) it’s amazing how his thread is not full of acolytes praising him, but Kulusevski seems to have so many admirers.

Substance>style

WALOB
Maddison does not work harder than Kulu.
I read those "stats" and could not make head nor tail of 'em.
I wish I could remember the game where you said Kulu had a stinker and I posted a clip showing him set up 5 gilt edged chances that were spurned.
If you wish to discuss Maddison why not do so in the Maddison thread?
If your sole contribution to this thread is to say that Kulu is shit just say so and spare us the XYZ tripe.
In fact I have had enough of you. On ignore you go.

spursfan76 · 3 Nov 2024

This kid won the young player award in Serie A for all positions. Not just a defender award like Romero but all positions. Allegri wasn't his biggest fan but look how well is Allegri doing now? There should be no surprise that this kid a sensation. For some reason he still has haters. Why?

Nobody3 · 3 Nov 2024

Deki is fast becoming our main man on and off the pitch. Good piece in The Gaurdian by...

David Hytner
Thu 31 Oct 2024 14.10 GMT

dudu · 3 Nov 2024

bus-conductor said:
I would advise anyone who disagrees with my opinion of Kulusevski to peruse this excellent work by SeeSpotRun

It highlights why I do not share your admiration for Kulusevski.

When you consider how much harder Maddison works to make himself available to receive the ball (evidenced by how much more he sees the ball) and how much harder he works in defensive transitions ( tracking etc) it’s amazing how his thread is not full of acolytes praising him, but Kulusevski seems to have so many admirers.

Substance>style

They are playing in different positions and have different roles.

Why would they have similar stats in terms of how often they get the ball and defensive transitions.

Mrs Perryman · 3 Nov 2024

spursfan76 said:
This kid won the young player award in Serie A for all positions. Not just a defender award like Romero but all positions. Allegri wasn't his biggest fan but look how well is Allegri doing now? There should be no surprise that this kid a sensation. For some reason he still has haters. Why?

I think some of it is because he looks a lot older than he is

1882 · 3 Nov 2024

When you think about it, we have Kulu, Bissouma, Romero, Bentancur, Davies, Son, ALL captain material (and in some cases, have already Captained their Countries)
That HAS to be a good thing, no?

dudu · 3 Nov 2024

1882 said:
When you think about it, we have Kulu, Bissouma, Romero, Bentancur, Davies, Son, ALL captain material (and in some cases, have already Captained their Countries)
That HAS to be a good thing, no?

I don't think any of them are captain material personally.

Good energy, good players, probably respected but we are really missing an experienced leader to keep us honest on the pitch.

Brighton 2nd half, Palace, no one stepped up.

1882 · 3 Nov 2024

dudu said:
I don't think any of them are captain material personally.

Good energy, good players, probably respected but we are really missing an experienced leader to keep us honest on the pitch.

Brighton 2nd half, Palace, no one stepped up.

Maybe not, but a few of them ARE Captains or have captained their National Sides in their careers...

That's gotta count for something??

dudu · 3 Nov 2024

1882 said:
Maybe not, but a few of them ARE Captains or have captained their National Sides in their careers...

That's gotta count for something??

That is a fair point. Which makes it even more frustrating

HampshireSpur · 3 Nov 2024

He’s been good today so far

Starks · 3 Nov 2024

Lovely assist

sudoku · 3 Nov 2024

He's a genius.

spursfan76 · 3 Nov 2024

Mrs Perryman said:
I think some of it is because he looks a lot older than he is

Yeah could have something to do with it. He's fantastic at the moment. That ball to solanke was world class playmaking

VirginiaSpur · 3 Nov 2024

Mrs Perryman said:
I think some of it is because he looks a lot older than he is

The reverse Kieran Trippier.

bus-conductor · 3 Nov 2024

sudoku said:
He's a genius.

Don’t judge everybody based on your IQ.

bonaspur23 · 3 Nov 2024

bus-conductor said:
Don’t judge everybody based on your IQ.

He’s Einstein compared to your rock-eating primitive thoughts.

TheSpurEst · 3 Nov 2024

bus-conductor said:
Don’t judge everybody based on your IQ.

That pass to Solanke through the whole Villa defense must be eating you alive.

Will you get any sleep or are you preparing an essay how shit Kulu actually is and how we are all just simps

?

Boltonspur · 4 Nov 2024

TheSpurEst said:
That pass to Solanke through the whole Villa defense must be eating you alive.

Will you get any sleep or are you preparing an essay how shit Kulu actually is and how we are all just simps ?

Complete with pie charts, Venn diagrams and other incomprehensible stats that some people love to wave their dick at and suggest is gospel.

Player	xGC	90’s	xGC/90
Mohamed Salah	38.75	28.2	1.38
Cole Palmer	36.53	29.0	1.26
Ollie Watkins	34.52	35.7	0.97
Erling Haaland	34.05	28.4	1.20
Anthony Gordon	33.93	32.1	1.06
Bukayo Saka	31.98	32.4	0.99
Nicolas Jackson	31.97	31.1	1.03
Alexander Isak	29.82	25.1	1.19
Bruno Fernandes	29.30	34.6	0.85
Martin Odegaard	29.10	34.3	0.85
Darwin Nunez	28.46	22.7	1.25
Phil Foden	28.39	31.7	0.89
Luis Diaz	28.21	29.2	0.97
Son Heung-min	28.16	32.6	0.86
Julian Alvarez	25.81	29.4	0.88
Dominic Solanke	25.17	36.9	0.68
Kai Havertz	24.19	29.3	0.83
James Maddison	23.94	23.7	1.01
Morgan Gibbs-White	23.85	35.1	0.68
Bruno Guimaraes	22.65	36.3	0.62
Jarrod Bowen	22.28	33.5	0.66
Alejandro Garnacho	21.94	28.5	0.77
Leon Bailey	21.77	23.0	0.95
Brennan Johnson	21.64	23.2	0.93
Joao Pedro	21.33	22.7	0.94
Rodri	20.96	32.6	0.64
Pascal Gross	20.87	34.6	0.60
Dejan Kulusevski	20.51	30.7	0.67
James Ward-Prowse	20.38	33.3	0.61
Yoane Wissa	19.93	27.7	0.72

Player	xGC	90s	xGC_90	League
Mohamed Salah	38.75	28.2	1.38	EPL
Harry Kane	38.63	31.54	1.22	Bundesliga
Cole Palmer	36.53	29.0	1.26	EPL
Ollie Watkins	34.52	35.7	0.97	EPL
Erling Haaland	34.05	28.4	1.20	EPL
Anthony Gordon	33.93	32.1	1.06	EPL
Kylian Mbappe	33.20	23.98	1.38	Ligue 1
Serhou Guirassy	32.42	24.53	1.32	Bundesliga
Bukayo Saka	31.98	32.4	0.99	EPL
Nicolas Jackson	31.97	31.1	1.03	EPL
Lois Openda	31.86	29.97	1.06	Bundesliga
Leroy Sane	31.67	23.74	1.33	Bundesliga
Rafael Leao	31.43	27.91	1.13	Serie A
Deniz Undav	31.08	23.21	1.34	Bundesliga
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang	30.59	29.13	1.05	Ligue 1
Alexander Isak	29.82	25.1	1.19	EPL
Bruno Fernandes	29.30	34.6	0.85	EPL
Marcus Thuram	29.16	29.86	0.98	Serie A
Martin Odegaard	29.10	34.3	0.85	EPL
Darwin Nunez	28.46	22.7	1.25	EPL
Iago Aspas	28.39	30.08	0.94	La Liga
Phil Foden	28.39	31.7	0.89	EPL
Luis Diaz	28.21	29.2	0.97	EPL
Son Heung-min	28.16	32.6	0.86	EPL
Artem Dovbyk	27.73	28.74	0.96	La Liga
Khvicha Kvaratskhelia	27.68	30.41	0.91	Serie A
Xavi Simons	27.18	29.48	0.92	Bundesliga
Lautaro Martinez	26.80	29.51	0.91	Serie A
Alex Baena	26.59	28.66	0.93	La Liga
Nico Williams	26.49	25.14	1.05	La Liga
Donyell Malen	26.01	19.79	1.31	Bundesliga
Julian Alvarez	25.81	29.4	0.88	EPL
Florian Wirtz	25.76	26.36	0.98	Bundesliga
Jonathan David	25.65	29.21	0.88	Ligue 1
Jonas Hofmann	25.39	24.49	1.04	Bundesliga
Dominic Solanke	25.17	36.9	0.68	EPL
Robert Lewandowski	24.92	30.56	0.82	La Liga
Nicolo Barella	24.89	31.62	0.79	Serie A
Savio	24.85	33.07	0.75	La Liga
Ilkay Gundogan	24.23	33.27	0.73	La Liga
Kai Havertz	24.19	29.3	0.83	EPL
Alexander Sorloth	24.07	27.66	0.87	La Liga
Chris Fuhrich	23.97	28.52	0.84	Bundesliga
Jamal Musiala	23.95	19.50	1.23	Bundesliga
James Maddison	23.94	23.7	1.01	EPL
Rodrygo	23.85	26.44	0.90	La Liga
Morgan Gibbs-White	23.85	35.1	0.68	EPL
Marvin Ducksch	23.43	29.96	0.78	Bundesliga
Vinicius Junior	23.40	20.71	1.13	La Liga
Antoine Griezmann	22.78	29.38	0.78	La Liga

Rank	Player	2023/24 Rank	xGC	90s	xGC_90
1	Mohamed Salah	1	10.52	8.7	1.21
2	Cole Palmer	2	10.08	8.6	1.17
3	Erling Haaland	4	9.67	9.0	1.08
4	Nicolas Jackson	7	9.01	7.7	1.18
5	Bukayo Saka	6	8.80	7.2	1.22
6	Kai Havertz	17	7.61	9.0	0.85
7	Savio	(Girona)	7.41	5.0	1.47
8	James Maddison	18	7.40	7.4	1.00
9	Bruno Fernandes	9	7.05	8.3	0.85
10	Adama Traore	279	6.96	7.7	0.91
11	Luis Diaz	13	6.85	5.9	1.16
12	Antoine Semenyo	73	6.51	8.7	0.74
13	Eberechi Eze	32	6.26	9.0	0.70
14	Danny Welbeck	68	6.16	8.3	0.74
15	Dominic Solanke	16	6.08	6.9	0.89
16	Marcus Tavernier	63	6.07	7.7	0.79
17	Michail Antonio	120	6.00	6.2	0.97
18	Ollie Watkins	3	5.79	7.6	0.76
19	Harvey Barnes	137	5.76	5.3	1.08
20	Morgan Rogers		5.72	8.2	0.69

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