That strikes me a big difference!
I'm not sure where we're going with this. I get that you see simulation is part of the game and are 'delighted with them all'. I don't. It's fine to disagree.
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I'm not sure where we're going with this. I get that you see simulation is part of the game and are 'delighted with them all'. I don't. It's fine to disagree.
Of course it's fine to disagree, but you've only called out the player that didn't get the contact. BOTH Kane and Dele played for the contact. Lamela got his contact (a swing of the leg from VVD, his fault no one else's, he wasn't playing for the contact as much as focussing on getting himself between oppo and the ball) and went down, made the absolute most of it, as he should with the laws of the game as they stand.That strikes me a big difference!
I'm not sure where we're going with this. I get that you see simulation is part of the game and are 'delighted with them all'. I don't. It's fine to disagree.
It's fine to not like it, I don't like it when done against us, but can't single out one player (Dele) over the other IMO. If you call out Dele, you're obliged to call out the other two, I think this stands to reason.
Two things:
Firstly , hawksby and Jacobs just had a serious conversation that Dele's right and temper etc are going to cost us the world cup! NO!what will cost us the world cup is donkeys like stones and smalling, that Geordie twat Henderson and raheem fucking sterling....oh and chuck in that spammers bellend Joe Hart!
Secondly, pretty sure there have been accusations in the past that spurs are too nice to win stuff...I mean seriously, only had three penalties this season I think..maybe a slightly devious side is a good thing to have. Verts gets away with some of these tactics so maybe we can learn from him...not knocking verts btw!
Firstly , hawksby and Jacobs just had a serious conversation that Dele's right and temper etc are going to cost us the world cup! NO!what will cost us the world cup is donkeys like stones and smalling, that Geordie twat Henderson and raheem fucking sterling....oh and chuck in that spammers bellend Joe Hart!
Secondly, pretty sure there have been accusations in the past that spurs are too nice to win stuff...I mean seriously, only had three penalties this season I think..maybe a slightly devious side is a good thing to have. Verts gets away with some of these tactics so maybe we can learn from him...not knocking verts btw!
That video of Dele is so obviously either one of those deep fakes, or from years ago as he has no tattoos in the video.
For those interested, there a whole subreddit dedicated to deepfakes where people have convincingly put celebrity's faces on images and videos that, shall we say, would be better suited to the NSFW Female Body Appreciation thread.
reddit.com: over 18?
For those interested, there a whole subreddit dedicated to deepfakes where people have convincingly put celebrity's faces on images and videos that, shall we say, would be better suited to the NSFW Female Body Appreciation thread.
reddit.com: over 18?
WHO HAS BEEN FOULED THE MOST?
Player Fouls won Minutes
Richarlison 76 2144
Dele Alli 66 2108
Jordan Ayew 62 2036
Alexis Sanchez 56 1687
Wilfried Zaha 55 1787
Eden Hazard 52 1437
Ashley Barnes 45 1257
Raheem Sterling 44 1832
Javier Hernandez 42 1251
Ruben Loftus-Cheek 41 1331
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5352799/Who-fouled-Premier-League.html
Player Fouls won Minutes
Richarlison 76 2144
Dele Alli 66 2108
Jordan Ayew 62 2036
Alexis Sanchez 56 1687
Wilfried Zaha 55 1787
Eden Hazard 52 1437
Ashley Barnes 45 1257
Raheem Sterling 44 1832
Javier Hernandez 42 1251
Ruben Loftus-Cheek 41 1331
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5352799/Who-fouled-Premier-League.html
I called out the player we were originally talking about: Dele. You then asked about Kane and Lamela. I made it clear that, in my opinion, both went down as the result of clear contact and, though Kane's appeared soft, they are not comparable cases. Your trying to reverse engineer a similarity between these fouls and Dele's contactless dive leaves me stone cold.
So, to clarify: had Kane, Lamela, or any other player gone to ground sans contact, I'd have been equally disappointed. Similarly, had Lovren made contact with Dele, I'd have no problem with him going to ground, since I'd have been in no position from my armchair to judge how that contact might have affected him.
So none of them are looking for or inviting contact?
Anyone who seriously thinks England have a chance of winning the World Cup under any circumstances needs to stop having any of their opinions about football listened to. We just about have the potential to perform the once-a-decade feat of winning a knockout round game. Anything more than that and you're getting longer odds than you would have done on Trump becoming President a couple of days before the election.
I'm genuinely struggling to understand your overarching point. Is it that, since we can't trust the integrity of anyone who wins a penalty, diving is ok?
Sure, but at least 75% of those were dives.
How easily people want to slate him as a diver, but look the other way when he's constantly getting clipped by people trying to rile him up.
What bothers me about his dive is that it looks like he could have scored if he just stayed on his feet. It wasn't even practical to go down there.
(the reddit link is still mostly porn though, so if you're at work don't click on it)
Just clicked the link, expected to find nothing but porn, instead I got this:
(the reddit link is still mostly porn though, so if you're at work don't click on it)
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No. Kane looked for contact, so did Dele. Kane got his contact, Dele didn't. This is all I'm saying. With Lamela he was kicked, but you don't fall over being kicked like that, no-one does, he got the pen because he went down. This is football nowadays, it's part of the game. Kane played the game as it is now, so did Dele, so did Lamela. Dele didn't get the contact that Kane did, so was rightly booked. All three played the game as it is today because it's part of the game. To call out Dele and not the other two is hypocrisy IMO. I've no problem with all three, no problem with the referring decisions, all correct in the laws of the game, including Dele's.
I've not once questioned the referee's decisions of the incidents in question.
It's not 'hypocrisy' to have a different opinion to you.
I'm calling hypocrisy for calling out Dele and not Kane and Lamela.
So why dive in the first place?
Not for the first time, let me remind you I wasn't calling out Dele per se. I was responding to this comment about Dele by you:
You have since argued that Dele = Kane = Lamela and I think this is a deeply flawed argument. I can, for example, state with certainty, that Dele went to the ground without being touched. You cannot state with similar certainty that Kane and Lamela would have gone down if they hadn't been touched by Karius and van Dijk respectively. Your equation is demonstrably false.
Our opinions differ not because of hypocrisy on my part, but because of supposition on yours.
You have since argued that Dele = Kane = Lamela and I think this is a deeply flawed argument. I can, for example, state with certainty, that Dele went to the ground without being touched. You cannot state with similar certainty that Kane and Lamela would have gone down if they hadn't been touched by Karius and van Dijk respectively. Your equation is demonstrably false.
Our opinions differ not because of hypocrisy on my part, but because of supposition on yours.