Dilan Markanday

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People can bitch about this but youth teams aren't all about supplying players to the first team, they're also about preparing players for selling on as well. Spurs have done pretty well at this in the last few years.

I agree with the first part, but look at the fees we were getting 5, 6, 7 years ago compared to now.....

These days anything above 1m is virtually unheard of.
 
I’m sure part of this is an assessment by Conte that he’s not ready for the first team, which informs Markanday’s willingness to accept the move.

Conte has had kids in his squads, it’s not like he’s opposed to all of them.

And a hefty sell-on clause can make these pretty shrewd deals.

The trouble is we need HGP bad.
 
Maybe he realises he needs to play football in the real world rather than just spend time playing with kids. At least he didnt go in the newspapers and cry about the managers like a rat does.

Probably hasn't got journo's with a mic in his face asking about his fading England career either....

Is Defoe a rat? Cos he did no different on several occasions.
 
I say good luck to him, showing the balls to go and play 1st team football instead of settling for a reserve role which he could have done.

Ideally i would have sent him on loan but if the lad thinks he's good enough to be a 1st team player, more power to him. It's his career and he's 20, he needs 1st team football somewhere and if it's not here the Championship is a good start for him.
 
So are we allowed to criticise Chelsea for failing to get loans for Lamptey and Livramento. Both have now departed for not a lot of money and will both probably play for England.
Young players are now looking past the money and want to play first team football.
Yes I know they have to get past Reece James but you can’t always keep young players.
The lack of loans was really started by Poch. It was his policy .
 
Players who have made it to our first team via the academy have rarely ever gone on to do much.
Carrol, Tarrabt, Mason, Townsend, etc etc.
I can't figure out if the people who always want these kids in our first team actually watch the kids and can't understand that it doesn't translate to being ready for elite level mens football.
Or if they're even more idiotic and make these claims without even watching them.,
I think Townsend could still play a part and do a job for our team.
 
It is difficult. Parrot is an up and coming player. I saw him come on December 19 in the Burnley match we won 5-1. The match Son scored that solo goal. Problem was by the time he came on we were just seeing the match out and he had to come deep to get the ball. We did not see what he could do in an attacking situation. He has been on loan but I do not see he is any closer to getting first team action at Tottenham even next season.
We often have young players making the numbers up on the bench but they rarely get on, mainly because it is too risky as we are not in a secure position in the match and the Manager would be criticised if we then lost.
On Wednesday White, Scarlett & Paskotsi were all on the bench and even though it was a lost cause with say 10 mins to go, none of them came on. Would it have helped with their development if they did? debateable.
 
Players who have made it to our first team via the academy have rarely ever gone on to do much.
Carrol, Tarrabt, Mason, Townsend, etc etc.
I can't figure out if the people who always want these kids in our first team actually watch the kids and can't understand that it doesn't translate to being ready for elite level mens football.
Or if they're even more idiotic and make these claims without even watching them.,

People get excited because it is the easiest way to get talent, especially with Levy who will not buy the quality they need. I also understand that when you see properly run academies producing good talent at other clubs that people would want that for Spurs as well.

And really every fanbase in every sport overrates young talent their clubs have.
 
Was he good enough though?

Heard so many things about this guy but he was never picked by either Nuno or Conte.

At least with KWP, Caroll, Edwards - they saw some game time, even Alfie Devine and Ben White have played competetive for Spurs.
Suspect you mean Harvey? Goons can do one.
 
You can't put a gun to their heads and make them sign a contract though...Maybe he wanted to build his own career and not get shipped out 6 months here and 6 months there...

That’s not what he is saying though?

This season he could have gone out on loan. But he didn’t.

Personally think the u23s can’t be helped by the constant change of 1st team management either.

But there is too big a gap between u23s and premier league football for most players to bridge without going out on loan. It’s just a fact.
 
if we think he is a decent player it should be a loan, see how he gets on and then Fee make increase for him with other clubs coming in
 
I know that this isn't the thread for this, but regarding that third point, I can't totally agree. If you had a look through that "Players worth keeping an eye on at other clubs" thread and signed almost any random collection from there it would be far better than what we've endured over the last 4-5 years with Spurs.

That doesn't mean that Markanday turns out to be something amazing, but let's not pretend that our scouting has been anything to write home about either.

Yes our clubs scouts have been bad at signing players. No doubt, no arguments.
But it's different scouting players from other clubs and leagues to one of your own, who is with you every day for years.
 
It just seems to me that no matter what the outcome of this there would have been people that would have found reasons to put the boot in...the irony is that if we were truly a mid table team we could have given the lad a lot more opportunities in the league but as we are more ambitious and are chasing top four these lads have to be exceptional to get a run and those that manage it still get fucking grief...

There always are people moaning. Probably why forums exist I guess.

But I think the number of people on this forum who have real world experience of development football is minimal.
And if you did a job in professional football with any ambitions you wouldn’t have much time to come on here anyway.

Just listening to random blokes shout opinions at a computer screen. Take it all as random noise with the occasional insight.

End of the day what do any of us really know???? Next to nothing.
 
I would have preferred to have keep him because better to have someone under contract than not, but there is little to indicate that he will be someone that we regret and outside of maybe Madueke none of the other young guys we got rid of have come back to really be a regret when losing them like many fans were worried.

He 100% should not have been given first team minutes at all,
The problem with your last statement is that if he didn't deserve first team minutes, the in many peoples opinion none of the other youth team players would deserve the minutes.. but they still got more than he did. Which is part of the frustration I feel.
 
The problem with your last statement is that if he didn't deserve first team minutes, the in many peoples opinion none of the other youth team players would deserve the minutes.. but they still got more than he did. Which is part of the frustration I feel.

I am likely much less interested in playing youth players than other are, so I can understand frustration if people feel the way you do.
 
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