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Player Djed Spence

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When we’re on the verge of selling or at a x-roads with a player, I like to go back to the beginning of the thread and see who got it right ( and who got it totally wrong).

Congratulations to bonaspur23 Doc Doc and sudoku who seem to have nailed this one.
 
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I think there's every point. All the signs suggest its his attitude that is the problem. We've got to do our due diligence better in future. The warning signs were there. Wasn't it £20m that we spent on him not 10? That's a lot of money down the drain if so.
Reported initially as 12m up to 20. Loan him with option or obligation to buy for 8m. Always someone out there who thinks they can sort him out. We don’t need all that crap.
 
Clearly our scouting team don't look at basic things like attitude, mentality, application and basic fucking professionalism.

I'd have thought they would be amongst the most important traits in a player but what the fuck do I know...
These are all subjective not objective. It's hard, if not impossible, to scout these things, you've got to rely on reputation, and reports from those who have worked directly with the individual.

I'm not saying we've done a good job in that aspect, just that they aren't things that stand out on film or when scouting in person and watching a game.
 
These are all subjective not objective. It's hard, if not impossible, to scout these things, you've got to rely on reputation, and reports from those who have worked directly with the individual.

I'm not saying we've done a good job in that aspect, just that they aren't things that stand out on film or when scouting in person and watching a game.
I don't know. I'm pretty sure asking "are you a cunt?" whilst strapping potential signings into a lie detector should now be one of the first things we do.
 
Hard to know everything that's really going on behind the scenes that could be affecting someone like Djed, but feck me the opportunity these young chaps have is enormous and such a huge shame when they don't seemingly have the wits about them to make the absolute most of this situation there in for the next 5-10 years of their lives!
 
Hard to know everything that's really going on behind the scenes that could be affecting someone like Djed, but feck me the opportunity these young chaps have is enormous and such a huge shame when they don't seemingly have the wits about them to make the absolute most of this situation there in for the next 5-10 years of their lives!
Warnocks comments are the most telling for me. Could be at a top club or could be non league.
Has acres of talent but hasnt got tge application
 
This is Zest Zest you're talking about....... It's a tea leaves thing.
Funny that, given I make my gut feeling known, then hours later Farke makes me look like the Oracle of Omah…

It’s actually that I’m highly empathic, so understand others. In Bentancurs case, it was because I’m a deep mofo with fluid dynamics in the body.

Gets to you doesn’t it.
 
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Djed Spence coming back was not expected although it is another disappointing development for a 23-year-old who seems to have lost his direction in recent seasons and Leeds boss Daniel Farke said everything he could without saying it all about a loan move that fell well short of what the Elland Road club expected.

Farke's comments were vaguely reminiscent of those he made about Marcus Edwards while at Norwich in 2018. Thankfully a move abroad first to the Netherlands and then Portugal got that Tottenham youngster on track with different people around him and he hasn't looked back since. The hope is that the also talented Spence finds something similar to ground him and reignite his faltering young career.
 

Tottenham put loanee outcast Djed Spence immediately up for sale after being left stunned when Leeds cut £20m star's loan short due to problems with 'professionalism and being good for the group'​

  • England under-21 international has been prematurely returned to north London
  • Former Middlesbrough boss Neil Warnock previously questioned his dedication
  • IAN LADYMAN: Premier League clubs are so wrapped up in their own self-interest. They want what suits them and that's not FA Cup replays - It's All Kicking Off
By SAMI MOKBEL FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 13:32 GMT, 5 January 2024 | UPDATED: 23:30 GMT, 5 January 2024

Tottenham will make Djed Spence available for transfer following his unexpected return from a loan spell at Leeds amid concerns over his attitude.
Mail Sport understands Spurs chiefs were taken by surprise on Thursday when they were informed that Leeds would be sending defender Spence back to north London with immediate affect.
Spence joined the Championship club in the summer on a season long loan deal, but the deal has been abruptly cut short by Leeds - a decision that arrived as a shock at Tottenham.

Doubts over Spence's attitude have dogged the England Under-21 international's career and Leeds boss Daniel Farke has become the latest coach to raise concerns.

'I don't want to talk too much about Djed right now, because he's meanwhile also back at Tottenham, that I totally respect that he's their player,' said Farke.

'Listen, in the summer we came here in order to create and to bring new values and to create a new culture within the club and when we speak about a player if he's on here on a permanent or a loan deal, we have expectations and these expectations are in several topics important.

'Obviously it's important, the potential and the quality of the player but also it's professionalism, it's discipline, it's workload on and off the pitch and also the soft skills, so also if he's positive and committed, good for the group and engaged with these topics, paint then more or less a picture.

'And we decided okay, this is the player we want in our group and want to represent Leeds United, our demands are very, very high and we don't differ between loan players, permanent players so we are pretty picky in this topic.

'We came to the conclusion that we will end the loan for for Djed and he will return back to Tottenham. We are grateful for his time here.

'He's a player of great potential and also a cool guy with a really good heart so we really wish him all the best. But yes, sometimes you need to take a decision then you have to do this.'

Indeed, Spurs are understood to hold similar reservations with regards to Spence's attitude. According to sources, time-keeping had been a particular concern for Tottenham.

In November 2020, Neil Warnock, who managed Spence at Middlesbrough, said: 'He could be playing at a top club in England or in non-league in five years, I don't know,' said Warnock.

'Application, dedication, all these things come into it. He's got the tools, there's no doubt about that.'
 

Tottenham put loanee outcast Djed Spence immediately up for sale after being left stunned when Leeds cut £20m star's loan short due to problems with 'professionalism and being good for the group'​

  • England under-21 international has been prematurely returned to north London
  • Former Middlesbrough boss Neil Warnock previously questioned his dedication
  • IAN LADYMAN: Premier League clubs are so wrapped up in their own self-interest. They want what suits them and that's not FA Cup replays - It's All Kicking Off
By SAMI MOKBEL FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 13:32 GMT, 5 January 2024 | UPDATED: 23:30 GMT, 5 January 2024

Tottenham will make Djed Spence available for transfer following his unexpected return from a loan spell at Leeds amid concerns over his attitude.
Mail Sport understands Spurs chiefs were taken by surprise on Thursday when they were informed that Leeds would be sending defender Spence back to north London with immediate affect.
Spence joined the Championship club in the summer on a season long loan deal, but the deal has been abruptly cut short by Leeds - a decision that arrived as a shock at Tottenham.

Doubts over Spence's attitude have dogged the England Under-21 international's career and Leeds boss Daniel Farke has become the latest coach to raise concerns.

'I don't want to talk too much about Djed right now, because he's meanwhile also back at Tottenham, that I totally respect that he's their player,' said Farke.

'Listen, in the summer we came here in order to create and to bring new values and to create a new culture within the club and when we speak about a player if he's on here on a permanent or a loan deal, we have expectations and these expectations are in several topics important.

'Obviously it's important, the potential and the quality of the player but also it's professionalism, it's discipline, it's workload on and off the pitch and also the soft skills, so also if he's positive and committed, good for the group and engaged with these topics, paint then more or less a picture.

'And we decided okay, this is the player we want in our group and want to represent Leeds United, our demands are very, very high and we don't differ between loan players, permanent players so we are pretty picky in this topic.

'We came to the conclusion that we will end the loan for for Djed and he will return back to Tottenham. We are grateful for his time here.

'He's a player of great potential and also a cool guy with a really good heart so we really wish him all the best. But yes, sometimes you need to take a decision then you have to do this.'

Indeed, Spurs are understood to hold similar reservations with regards to Spence's attitude. According to sources, time-keeping had been a particular concern for Tottenham.

In November 2020, Neil Warnock, who managed Spence at Middlesbrough, said: 'He could be playing at a top club in England or in non-league in five years, I don't know,' said Warnock.

'Application, dedication, all these things come into it. He's got the tools, there's no doubt about that.'
Hopefully it’s a wake up call for him.

Farke is shit, though, and I’m surprised we gave him another youngster we rated on loan.
 
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