Management ENIC

[RomanzoCriminale]

It pains me to agree with every word of this post, but this is where we are now. It's going to take a miracle to get us back to top four level (assume that's what the aim is?)

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We were only 2 wins away from top 4. There were many games last year where we just sat back and invited the other team onto us which put pressure on the defence. A more attacking coach would easily pull back 6 points next season and by attacking and retaining the ball more, the defence won't look half as poor. Add 2 or 3 new players in defence and midfield and clear a few out and everyone's outlook will start to change.

My wife's family are Mancs, they all warned me what Mourinho would do, he would alienate players, play boring football and suck the life out of the club and he did. Sure Levy has made mistakes but the problems on the field last year were down to Mourinho, didn't he say it was the best squad he'd come into at a club when he joined? As for spending, we have spent the last 2 seasons and will spend again, but anyone with half a brain will understand the impact covid has had on clubs and moreso ours with the additional money we would have brought in from non footballing events.

I'm surprised at you Mrs P getting dragged into this, some of these idiots don't understand how a business is run and are whipping each other up into a frenzy because we had 1 bad season.

Keep the faith, we've been through a lot worse than this. I'm looking forward to this season, it can't be worse than the last one, right?

 

[ginola92]

We were only 2 wins away from top 4. There were many games last year where we just sat back and invited the other team onto us which put pressure on the defence. A more attacking coach would easily pull back 6 points next season and by attacking and retaining the ball more, the defence won't look half as poor. Add 2 or 3 new players in defence and midfield and clear a few out and everyone's outlook will start to change.

My wife's family are Mancs, they all warned me what Mourinho would do, he would alienate players, play boring football and suck the life out of the club and he did. Sure Levy has made mistakes but the problems on the field last year were down to Mourinho, didn't he say it was the best squad he'd come into at a club when he joined? As for spending, we have spent the last 2 seasons and will spend again, but anyone with half a brain will understand the impact covid has had on clubs and moreso ours with the additional money we would have brought in from non footballing events.

I'm surprised at you Mrs P getting dragged into this, some of these idiots don't understand how a business is run and are whipping each other up into a frenzy because we had 1 bad season.

Keep the faith, we've been through a lot worse than this. I'm looking forward to this season, it can't be worse than the last one, right?

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So all our problems are down to mourinho, who the fuck hired him and gave him a 4 year deal on insane money?
Who failed to pull the trigger when the season was still salvageable and then waited a day after the ESL debacle in the week leading to a cup final ?
Who has failed to deliver a manager since fucking April when we are now close to July and the transfer window has been open for 2 weeks ?
Literally just blind optimism to be excited about the new season and thinking we’re going to do anything

 

[TeamSpirit™]

What’s happening is borderline criminal. That’s all

 

[Tottenham Sean]

I dont think a miracle is needed. Spurs need owners who put the football side first and unfortunately Enic and Levy have never done this. Unless they change there attitude next season will because toxic shitshow

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The way things are it would take a miricle for ENIC to change or sell.As is becoming more obvious,they are empire building and have no plans to sell for the foreseeable.

 

[RomanzoCriminale]

So all our problems are down to mourinho, who the fuck hired him and gave him a 4 year deal on insane money?
Who failed to pull the trigger when the season was still salvageable and then waited a day after the ESL debacle in the week leading to a cup final ?
Who has failed to deliver a manager since fucking April when we are now close to July and the transfer window has been open for 2 weeks ?
Literally just blind optimism to be excited about the new season and thinking we’re going to do anything

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Chill dude, relax....

 

[VirginiaSpur]

Levy is going to give us nothing, and claim it's because one of you stole the fizzy lifting drinks.

 

[Mrs Perryman]

We were only 2 wins away from top 4. There were many games last year where we just sat back and invited the other team onto us which put pressure on the defence. A more attacking coach would easily pull back 6 points next season and by attacking and retaining the ball more, the defence won't look half as poor. Add 2 or 3 new players in defence and midfield and clear a few out and everyone's outlook will start to change.

My wife's family are Mancs, they all warned me what Mourinho would do, he would alienate players, play boring football and suck the life out of the club and he did. Sure Levy has made mistakes but the problems on the field last year were down to Mourinho, didn't he say it was the best squad he'd come into at a club when he joined? As for spending, we have spent the last 2 seasons and will spend again, but anyone with half a brain will understand the impact covid has had on clubs and moreso ours with the additional money we would have brought in from non footballing events.

I'm surprised at you Mrs P getting dragged into this, some of these idiots don't understand how a business is run and are whipping each other up into a frenzy because we had 1 bad season.

Keep the faith, we've been through a lot worse than this. I'm looking forward to this season, it can't be worse than the last one, right?

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The mess we were in last season can be put down to Mourinho, I agree on that score, but the almighty mess we are in now is down to the board.
I will always keep the faith in THFC, but Levy and some of the players - not so much

 

[Don’t park the bus]

It doesn’t really matter which coach Levy brings in .

Because if the coach is successful, and is about to win a trophy or be top of the league, Levy will persuade / advise the coach to select a team that will lose the game or run of games.

In the ENIC business sense that they are running the club, it is financially better to be nearly successful than to win everything.

That’s their job, and they are pretty good at it.
They don’t care at all about the history of the club, the fans wishes or the “Dare is to Do” backbone of our club.

It is impossible for them to think or do anything that is important for the fans
The sooner ENIC and Levy are out, the better.

 

[Incomplete_usernam]

We were only 2 wins away from top 4. There were many games last year where we just sat back and invited the other team onto us which put pressure on the defence. A more attacking coach would easily pull back 6 points next season and by attacking and retaining the ball more, the defence won't look half as poor. Add 2 or 3 new players in defence and midfield and clear a few out and everyone's outlook will start to change.

My wife's family are Mancs, they all warned me what Mourinho would do, he would alienate players, play boring football and suck the life out of the club and he did. Sure Levy has made mistakes but the problems on the field last year were down to Mourinho, didn't he say it was the best squad he'd come into at a club when he joined? As for spending, we have spent the last 2 seasons and will spend again, but anyone with half a brain will understand the impact covid has had on clubs and moreso ours with the additional money we would have brought in from non footballing events.

I'm surprised at you Mrs P getting dragged into this, some of these idiots don't understand how a business is run and are whipping each other up into a frenzy because we had 1 bad season.

Keep the faith, we've been through a lot worse than this. I'm looking forward to this season, it can't be worse than the last one, right?

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Oh please, stop being condescending, if anything the fact that Mrs Perryman IS concerned about the state of the club should be a wake up call to you but you just seem to be doubling down in your efforts to defend the indefensible.

You have hit on every single point bar FFP as an excuse for our utter failures time and time again, the one person you refuse to blame, even if your life depended on it, is Daniel Levy, the architect of our failures or ENIC for their greed.

There will always be another excuse, managers, outside factors, players, anybody but the top brass right?

If all else fails and you run out of ways to defend Levy and ENIC your response is to speak in a condescending manner to them, tell them to "calm down" or "be patient" or "have some faith" you act like many of us haven't supported Spurs the last 30 odd years and haven't seen this happen time and time again whenever Levy creates another failure (which he has created, make no mistake about it, all of this downfall from the Poch ERA is of his own making, failing to back the manager at imperative times, penny pinching when we should have been pushing forward etc.)

You just spent two paragraphs saying that we were so close to a top four finish and the reason we didn't get it was Mourinho, that's fair enough I don't disagree with that, he was part of the problem for sure.

But then you go on to say "we just need 2 or 3 new players in defence and midfield and a clear out and everyone's outlook will change" isn't that a self-admittance that the squad isn't good enough?

Seems pretty contradictory to suggest it was all down to the manager we didn't get top four and then go on to say we need half the team replacing (which we know isn't going to happen so let's not even start to delude ourselves into thinking it will.)

Then, to top it all off, you directly follow that with a light tap on the wrist for Levy and saying:

"Sure Levy has made mistakes but the problems on the field last year were down to Mourinho"

Umm, just out of curiosity, who hired Mourinho again? Who chose to stand against the board who were suggesting more attack minded coaches and decided to hire a manager for no reason other than his own ego?

Yeah, but Levy has just "made mistakes" the REAL problem was everything else surrounding the club.

Maybe you should start letting YOUR ego go and start looking at things critically and impartially and seeing what the real problem is at this football club? I mean, Levy hires all these failures and yet Levy is the only one who never falls on the sword? When will you hold HIM accountable?

It's been months we have gone without a manager now, our best player wants to leave the football club, he sacked the best manager we have had in years in Poch because he didn't want to spend the money required to make us competitive, he has ripped the fans off time and time again, he lies and he keeps getting away with it.

You should be worrying about yourself and your own opinions rather than Mrs Perryman the fact that you feel the need to call her out like that because she's formed her own opinion based on the evidence speaks volumes imo.

Normally I wouldn't speak up but I feel like Mrs Perryman is a voice of reason on here and she is a dedicated supporter of the club that has poured her hard-earned money into it for many years, she is articulate and I know it would take an awful lot for her to form this kind of opinion against the ownership.

The fact that she is fed up should be a red flag for all of us and a sign that we need to speak up against this ownership and chairman for making the supporters of this club feel like they have been left behind and lied to.

 

[Incomplete_usernam]

Chill dude, relax....

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This kind of comment should be bannable, utterly nothing to say to the person you quoted and just proves that you're arguing in bad faith, almost seems like baiting and trolling.

He's upset because he loves his club.

 

[Mrs Perryman]

Oh please, stop being condescending, if anything the fact that Mrs Perryman IS concerned about the state of the club should be a wake up call to you but you just seem to be doubling down in your efforts to defend the indefensible.

You have hit on every single point bar FFP as an excuse for our utter failures time and time again, the one person you refuse to blame, even if your life depended on it, is Daniel Levy, the architect of our failures or ENIC for their greed.

There will always be another excuse, managers, outside factors, players, anybody but the top brass right?

If all else fails and you run out of ways to defend Levy and ENIC your response is to speak in a condescending manner to them, tell them to "calm down" or "be patient" or "have some faith" you act like many of us haven't supported Spurs the last 30 odd years and haven't seen this happen time and time again whenever Levy creates another failure (which he has created, make no mistake about it, all of this downfall from the Poch ERA is of his own making, failing to back the manager at imperative times, penny pinching when we should have been pushing forward etc.)

You just spent two paragraphs saying that we were so close to a top four finish and the reason we didn't get it was Mourinho, that's fair enough I don't disagree with that, he was part of the problem for sure.

But then you go on to say "we just need 2 or 3 new players in defence and midfield and a clear out and everyone's outlook will change" isn't that a self-admittance that the squad isn't good enough?

Seems pretty contradictory to suggest it was all down to the manager we didn't get top four and then go on to say we need half the team replacing (which we know isn't going to happen so let's not even start to delude ourselves into thinking it will.)

Then, to top it all off, you directly follow that with a light tap on the wrist for Levy and saying:

"Sure Levy has made mistakes but the problems on the field last year were down to Mourinho"

Umm, just out of curiosity, who hired Mourinho again? Who chose to stand against the board who were suggesting more attack minded coaches and decided to hire a manager for no reason other than his own ego?

Yeah, but Levy has just "made mistakes" the REAL problem was everything else surrounding the club.

Maybe you should start letting YOUR ego go and start looking at things critically and impartially and seeing what the real problem is at this football club? I mean, Levy hires all these failures and yet Levy is the only one who never falls on the sword? When will you hold HIM accountable?

It's been months we have gone without a manager now, our best player wants to leave the football club, he sacked the best manager we have had in years in Poch because he didn't want to spend the money required to make us competitive, he has ripped the fans off time and time again, he lies and he keeps getting away with it.

You should be worrying about yourself and your own opinions rather than Mrs Perryman the fact that you feel the need to call her out like that because she's formed her own opinion based on the evidence speaks volumes imo.

Normally I wouldn't speak up but I feel like Mrs Perryman is a voice of reason on here and she is a dedicated supporter of the club that has poured her hard-earned money into it for many years, she is articulate and I know it would take an awful lot for her to form this kind of opinion against the ownership.

The fact that she is fed up should be a red flag for all of us and a sign that we need to speak up against this ownership and chairman for making the supporters of this club feel like they have been left behind and lied to.

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I'm blushing , but thanks for that. Couldn't have put it better myself.
The people who get where I'm coming from are the ones who are emotionally connected to the football club and are actually feeling pain by what's happening to us. I'm not going to denigrate anyone who 'supports' Spurs in whatever way they choose to, we should all want the same for THFC, and at the moment, we are a car crash. Someone has to be responsible for that.
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[RomanzoCriminale]

The mess we were in last season can be put down to Mourinho, I agree on that score, but the almighty mess we are in now is down to the board.
I will always keep the faith in THFC, but Levy and some of the players - not so much

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If it was really as bad as the twitterati say it is, Levy would have been fired a long time ago.

Anyway I'm up for the new season, hopefully we get to some home games and we finish top 4.

 

[RomanzoCriminale]

This kind of comment should be bannable, utterly nothing to say to the person you quoted and just proves that you're arguing in bad faith, almost seems like baiting and trolling.

He's upset because he loves his club.

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Or some might see at as over reacting to a load of hearsay. We're all passionate about the club, some are culled, some are not.

 

[Mrs Perryman]

If it was really as bad as the twitterati say it is, Levy would have been fired a long time ago.

Anyway I'm up for the new season, hopefully we get to some home games and we finish top 4.

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I don't do twitter and come up with my opinions all by myself. I don't expect everyone to agree with me but I appreciate being able to express them on here, and debating them without hurling insults at each other.
Totally agree with your last comment.

 

[ginola92]

Or some might see at as over reacting to a load of hearsay. We're all passionate about the club, some are culled, some are not.

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What hearsay was I overreacting to? everything I stated was fact, you can’t dispute any of it. You’ve just chosen to ignore all of our shortcomings or blame it on a manager who should of never been hired and should of been sacked a lot earlier, who’s fault is that? Jose can’t sack or hire himself.

I don’t believe anyone who is backing the ownership right now is really passionate about Tottenham .

 

[Archie]

I'm blushing , but thanks for that. Couldn't have put it better myself.
The people who get where I'm coming from are the ones who are emotionally connected to the football club and are actually feeling pain by what's happening to us. I'm not going to denigrate anyone who 'supports' Spurs in whatever way they choose to, we should all want the same for THFC, and at the moment, we are a car crash. Someone has to be responsible for that.
:dierpochhug:

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What a lot of these apologists dont get is the emotional connection we as supporters have for our club. If spurs lose I'm a miserable sod for days and theres a lot of us like that. When we see the owners basically causing the team to lose by not backing the manager and coming out with the same old excuses time after time it's just plain wrong. Something has got to change

 

[Incomplete_usernam]

I'm blushing , but thanks for that. Couldn't have put it better myself.
The people who get where I'm coming from are the ones who are emotionally connected to the football club and are actually feeling pain by what's happening to us. I'm not going to denigrate anyone who 'supports' Spurs in whatever way they choose to, we should all want the same for THFC, and at the moment, we are a car crash. Someone has to be responsible for that.
:dierpochhug:

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I couldn't agree more! We should all want the same, which is success for THFC.

We should also all be able to hold people like Levy accountable for the failures on the pitch without being told that we are impatient.

I find it almost unbelievable that we can churn through managers and players and the same people that never speak a bad word against our chairman will lay the blame at the managers and players feet, call them failures without a second thought, yet somehow get amnesia when they are asked who hired these managers and players in the first place? When asked why should Levy not be held accountable they go completely silent?

They have to be bad actors at this point surely?

I think ENIC and Levy have had enough time, I think they have proven at this point they value trophies and on the pitch success very little and their ultimate goal is to use our club as a vessel for infrastructural success via the form of any sort of entertainment, football or otherwise.


I don't want that for my football club, for all the talk of "Do you really want to be owned by oil money?" as some sort of derogatory term used to suggest our club would be "soulless" they sure seem happy to support a company and ownership that are making us exactly that! Only without the success on the pitch!

Also, are you sure you're blushing and not just mad at Levy? Both can cause red faces lol!

 

[Honest John]

Oh please, stop being condescending, if anything the fact that Mrs Perryman IS concerned about the state of the club should be a wake up call to you but you just seem to be doubling down in your efforts to defend the indefensible.

You have hit on every single point bar FFP as an excuse for our utter failures time and time again, the one person you refuse to blame, even if your life depended on it, is Daniel Levy, the architect of our failures or ENIC for their greed.

There will always be another excuse, managers, outside factors, players, anybody but the top brass right?

If all else fails and you run out of ways to defend Levy and ENIC your response is to speak in a condescending manner to them, tell them to "calm down" or "be patient" or "have some faith" you act like many of us haven't supported Spurs the last 30 odd years and haven't seen this happen time and time again whenever Levy creates another failure (which he has created, make no mistake about it, all of this downfall from the Poch ERA is of his own making, failing to back the manager at imperative times, penny pinching when we should have been pushing forward etc.)

You just spent two paragraphs saying that we were so close to a top four finish and the reason we didn't get it was Mourinho, that's fair enough I don't disagree with that, he was part of the problem for sure.

But then you go on to say "we just need 2 or 3 new players in defence and midfield and a clear out and everyone's outlook will change" isn't that a self-admittance that the squad isn't good enough?

Seems pretty contradictory to suggest it was all down to the manager we didn't get top four and then go on to say we need half the team replacing (which we know isn't going to happen so let's not even start to delude ourselves into thinking it will.)

Then, to top it all off, you directly follow that with a light tap on the wrist for Levy and saying:

"Sure Levy has made mistakes but the problems on the field last year were down to Mourinho"

Umm, just out of curiosity, who hired Mourinho again? Who chose to stand against the board who were suggesting more attack minded coaches and decided to hire a manager for no reason other than his own ego?

Yeah, but Levy has just "made mistakes" the REAL problem was everything else surrounding the club.

Maybe you should start letting YOUR ego go and start looking at things critically and impartially and seeing what the real problem is at this football club? I mean, Levy hires all these failures and yet Levy is the only one who never falls on the sword? When will you hold HIM accountable?

It's been months we have gone without a manager now, our best player wants to leave the football club, he sacked the best manager we have had in years in Poch because he didn't want to spend the money required to make us competitive, he has ripped the fans off time and time again, he lies and he keeps getting away with it.

You should be worrying about yourself and your own opinions rather than Mrs Perryman the fact that you feel the need to call her out like that because she's formed her own opinion based on the evidence speaks volumes imo.

Normally I wouldn't speak up but I feel like Mrs Perryman is a voice of reason on here and she is a dedicated supporter of the club that has poured her hard-earned money into it for many years, she is articulate and I know it would take an awful lot for her to form this kind of opinion against the ownership.

The fact that she is fed up should be a red flag for all of us and a sign that we need to speak up against this ownership and chairman for making the supporters of this club feel like they have been left behind and lied to.

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Wow! If Carling did TFC posts!

Probably the greatest post in the history of this forum.

 

[RomanzoCriminale]

What hearsay was I overreacting to? everything I stated was fact, you can’t dispute any of it. You’ve just chosen to ignore all of our shortcomings or blame it on a manager who should of never been hired and should of been sacked a lot earlier, who’s fault is that? Jose can’t sack or hire himself.

I don’t believe anyone who is backing the ownership right now is really passionate about Tottenham .

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I'm not backing the owners, I just don't think the grass will be any greener. A club can only spend money it earns. Fortunately with the new stadium we are and will continue to earn a lot lore than we would without it. That in turn should bring better players.

I keep reiterating, I understand why Enic/Levy kept the purse strings tight for the past 10 years, to build the training ground and stadium. I also accepted we'd go through a period of austerity to ensure when the stadium was built we'd be able to maximise as much of the profit on buying new players not paying off even more debt.

It's just a difference of opinion.

Should Levy go = Yes
Should Enic go = I'm not so sure,.

 

[Coach Sandeep]

Oh please, stop being condescending, if anything the fact that Mrs Perryman IS concerned about the state of the club should be a wake up call to you but you just seem to be doubling down in your efforts to defend the indefensible.

You have hit on every single point bar FFP as an excuse for our utter failures time and time again, the one person you refuse to blame, even if your life depended on it, is Daniel Levy, the architect of our failures or ENIC for their greed.

There will always be another excuse, managers, outside factors, players, anybody but the top brass right?

If all else fails and you run out of ways to defend Levy and ENIC your response is to speak in a condescending manner to them, tell them to "calm down" or "be patient" or "have some faith" you act like many of us haven't supported Spurs the last 30 odd years and haven't seen this happen time and time again whenever Levy creates another failure (which he has created, make no mistake about it, all of this downfall from the Poch ERA is of his own making, failing to back the manager at imperative times, penny pinching when we should have been pushing forward etc.)

You just spent two paragraphs saying that we were so close to a top four finish and the reason we didn't get it was Mourinho, that's fair enough I don't disagree with that, he was part of the problem for sure.

But then you go on to say "we just need 2 or 3 new players in defence and midfield and a clear out and everyone's outlook will change" isn't that a self-admittance that the squad isn't good enough?

Seems pretty contradictory to suggest it was all down to the manager we didn't get top four and then go on to say we need half the team replacing (which we know isn't going to happen so let's not even start to delude ourselves into thinking it will.)

Then, to top it all off, you directly follow that with a light tap on the wrist for Levy and saying:

"Sure Levy has made mistakes but the problems on the field last year were down to Mourinho"

Umm, just out of curiosity, who hired Mourinho again? Who chose to stand against the board who were suggesting more attack minded coaches and decided to hire a manager for no reason other than his own ego?

Yeah, but Levy has just "made mistakes" the REAL problem was everything else surrounding the club.

Maybe you should start letting YOUR ego go and start looking at things critically and impartially and seeing what the real problem is at this football club? I mean, Levy hires all these failures and yet Levy is the only one who never falls on the sword? When will you hold HIM accountable?

It's been months we have gone without a manager now, our best player wants to leave the football club, he sacked the best manager we have had in years in Poch because he didn't want to spend the money required to make us competitive, he has ripped the fans off time and time again, he lies and he keeps getting away with it.

You should be worrying about yourself and your own opinions rather than Mrs Perryman the fact that you feel the need to call her out like that because she's formed her own opinion based on the evidence speaks volumes imo.

Normally I wouldn't speak up but I feel like Mrs Perryman is a voice of reason on here and she is a dedicated supporter of the club that has poured her hard-earned money into it for many years, she is articulate and I know it would take an awful lot for her to form this kind of opinion against the ownership.

The fact that she is fed up should be a red flag for all of us and a sign that we need to speak up against this ownership and chairman for making the supporters of this club feel like they have been left behind and lied to.

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Somebody please build a statue of this man.