8 years, as you asked.
People can disagree to their heart's content, but I don't, or very, very rarely, and I always give a reason. Only polite, wouldn't you say?
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People can disagree to their heart's content, but I don't, or very, very rarely, and I always give a reason. Only polite, wouldn't you say?
They gave you a disagree? Wow! Someone does not know the rulesWhoeverUlrika-ka-ka-ka is, hasn't got on the right side of me, giving me a disagree as her first interaction with me.
I don't know how you can disagree with a statement of fact.
Fear not Mrs P, I will hunt them down and ...slap their wrists
Leicester and it didn’t take their ownership 20 years from a far worse position and lesser history. Stop making excuses
Haha. Sorry. I gave you a disagree because you made it sound like we intentionally prioritised cups over league position and that wasn’t the case.Whoever
I don't know how you can disagree with a statement of fact.
in the 90’s just prior to ENIC we came
10th
15th
8th
15th
7th
8th
10th
14th
11th
10th
But people only remember the fa cup and league cup wins in that period?? We were shit. And what made things worse were Woolwich were very successful.
Coming back to your comment I’m afraid it is not correct to say we prioritised the cups, the cups were all we had, given our league form and lack of ability to qualify for Europe.
ENIC have changed that for the better but they have also built people’s expectations. Which is how they are now judged.
1 cup in 20 years ...its all we as fans need to know about Enic.
They rip off the fans off at every opportunity
They failed to back Pocchettino when we were a whisker away from the next level?
They wouldn't go for the 'painfall rebuild' which was needed - instead sacking Pochettino
The ESL?
Threatened to move to Stratford
Employing Mourinho instead of Nagelsmen - losing the clubs DNA playing shit, boring football.
Sacking Mourinho 6 days before a cup final - when he should have been sacked after the Europa league defeat.
Employing a novice manager 6 days before a cup final
Sacking Martin Jol at half time
Buying cheap options instead of getting the players the managers actually want (see Saha and Neilson)
The list goes on...
Yeah it's better under Enic ... the footballing side has now been left to fester and go stale.
Now 'one of our own' Harry Kane wants to leave because we are no longer competing for honours.
That's on Levy and Enic
Cunt must be removed by force now - no other way!
You should attend the protest and demonstrate...
My one and only Tottenham game, I got a beer and burger on that road and marched down to the stadium after. We won 3-0. Great day.
League positions don't lie? Liverpool finished 5th and won the Champions League.
What trophies did we ever get for finishing in the Top 6?
You've been up ENIC's arse so much, you think the money is success.
How would that work exactly?
It's alright he's organising the protest. All will become clear in the not so distant future, so don't doubt him. Gotta trust in old Arcy.
'The protest'? So is it just decided then as the 3rd in your mind?
I honestly don't think the turn out is going to be great I'm afraid, with such short notice and luke warmly responded to approach (i.e. not on a match or NFL day, no cameras, etc. etc. etc.) plenty of good will in that thread toward a well planned and executed protest movement I felt.
Why not put the ideas people put forward together, then try and build some momentum, engage the supporters trust and other fan forums, get it trending on twitter, or at least being discussed and get a movement going, when you're clearly passionate about the idea?
I for one already have long standing plans on Saturday, and I think the consensus was to at least do it on a match day or some other day that will actually be impactful /noticed by Dan.
I don't think just calling people out for not turning up this Saturday with no discussion is going to elicit the desired and required grand following.
Excellent article with quotes from AVB about his time at Spurs.
The straight-talking Andre Villas-Boas: dismantling myths, rally driving and how to hire him
“In the year when I reached an agreement to leave Tottenham, we started with a disagreement,” Villas-Boas explains. It wasn’t about how the Bale money should be reinvested and whether Erik Lamela, Roberto Soldado, Paulinho, Christian Eriksen, Etienne Capoue, Vlad Chiriches and Nacer Chadli were good signings or not.
“I understood Tottenham wanted me to go to Paris,” a disappointed Villas-Boas says. “I had an offer from Paris Saint-Germain at the end of the (2012-13) season.” As was the case at Chelsea, he was being asked to replace Ancelotti.
“But I said, ‘No’. My clause for leaving Tottenham, which (chairman Daniel) Levy was negotiating with Paris, was £15 million,” Villas-Boas laughs at the money involved. “Chelsea had paid €15 million for me and in Tottenham it was £15 million. And Levy was of course negotiating this.
“So I didn’t have the best of relationships with Daniel. We were correct throughout but we were not in love with each other and I think they wanted me to accept the offer. But I wanted to stay. I had a great time in London. The team was good. I didn’t feel at that time that Paris was what I wanted for my career so I decided to risk on that one more year and for me I take things a lot personally. I have a different vision of football and, for me, whenever somebody declines something that’s normally better — be it contract-wise or the possibility of you winning — for me, you are entitled to a contract renewal. That’s how I see things. It wasn’t the case. And that led to a bad, bad animosity between us. To the point where it was December and there were no conditions for us to continue working and we reached an agreement to leave.”
How it ended at Spurs left Villas-Boas disillusioned. “Although we lost heavily to Liverpool (5-0) we were on more points than the season we beat the points record. But the environment wasn’t there and it was best for both parties. After Porto, I only found love for coaching again in Russia.” The reasons Villas-Boas’s passion rekindled at Zenit Saint Petersburg, where he won the league and cup, are illuminating. “The club has stability and structure,” he says, “and when you have stability, you are able to work and focus on the essentials.
“The essentials for us coaches are being able to prepare a game freely, decide a team freely, to know that you have a good background (behind you at the club) and that you don’t have to run all the bullshit and the interests that surround football. In England, it’s like that. There are a few powerful agents that control the market in the UK that want to force or inflict certain coaches and players in certain teams. And the fan? He buys this, if the results are good or not. There’s a certain tolerance to accept this kind of thing if the results are there or not.”
The straight-talking Andre Villas-Boas: dismantling myths, rally driving and how to hire him
“In the year when I reached an agreement to leave Tottenham, we started with a disagreement,” Villas-Boas explains. It wasn’t about how the Bale money should be reinvested and whether Erik Lamela, Roberto Soldado, Paulinho, Christian Eriksen, Etienne Capoue, Vlad Chiriches and Nacer Chadli were good signings or not.
“I understood Tottenham wanted me to go to Paris,” a disappointed Villas-Boas says. “I had an offer from Paris Saint-Germain at the end of the (2012-13) season.” As was the case at Chelsea, he was being asked to replace Ancelotti.
“But I said, ‘No’. My clause for leaving Tottenham, which (chairman Daniel) Levy was negotiating with Paris, was £15 million,” Villas-Boas laughs at the money involved. “Chelsea had paid €15 million for me and in Tottenham it was £15 million. And Levy was of course negotiating this.
“So I didn’t have the best of relationships with Daniel. We were correct throughout but we were not in love with each other and I think they wanted me to accept the offer. But I wanted to stay. I had a great time in London. The team was good. I didn’t feel at that time that Paris was what I wanted for my career so I decided to risk on that one more year and for me I take things a lot personally. I have a different vision of football and, for me, whenever somebody declines something that’s normally better — be it contract-wise or the possibility of you winning — for me, you are entitled to a contract renewal. That’s how I see things. It wasn’t the case. And that led to a bad, bad animosity between us. To the point where it was December and there were no conditions for us to continue working and we reached an agreement to leave.”
How it ended at Spurs left Villas-Boas disillusioned. “Although we lost heavily to Liverpool (5-0) we were on more points than the season we beat the points record. But the environment wasn’t there and it was best for both parties. After Porto, I only found love for coaching again in Russia.” The reasons Villas-Boas’s passion rekindled at Zenit Saint Petersburg, where he won the league and cup, are illuminating. “The club has stability and structure,” he says, “and when you have stability, you are able to work and focus on the essentials.
“The essentials for us coaches are being able to prepare a game freely, decide a team freely, to know that you have a good background (behind you at the club) and that you don’t have to run all the bullshit and the interests that surround football. In England, it’s like that. There are a few powerful agents that control the market in the UK that want to force or inflict certain coaches and players in certain teams. And the fan? He buys this, if the results are good or not. There’s a certain tolerance to accept this kind of thing if the results are there or not.”
Thank you for your detailed, polite response, it is appreciated.
I agree that ENIC have done good things, and I have always believed that the good outweighed the bad. However, they are in danger of undoing all the good by their handling of recent events and the most loyal and hardened supporters have had enough. We are a laughing stock in the media and that interview that Levy put out was cringeworthy, IMO.
Sadly I think the damage is done now and we are playing the waiting game for the end of ENIC.
Levys statement at the end of the season was slimy and driven towards season ticket renewals especially the bit about we all want to win things, well Daniel we are still waiting for you to prove that milking the fans for high prices whilst serving up tier two football is not my idea of success.
Personally I'm not looking forward to the season coming we still don't have a manager and will likely get loaded up with cheap second rate signings to gap fill.
I don't mind paying top prices for quality but I'm not going to pay for scrambling around in mid table which I can see happening.
We all need to make our voices heard regarding levy and enic and initiate change for the club to move forward.