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Nuts said:
So where do ‘club signings’ fit into all this? And Poch’s comments about filling a nice home with shit furniture? You think Poch wanted shit furniture?
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He's about to be a Chav.
Nuts said:
Most likely he had to deal with what he was given. Same as Jose. Same as Conte. They get some decent signings but have to accept the other signings as well.
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I'd argue that our version of Pochettino and the versions of Mourinho + Conte when they joined us are two completely different-level profile types.

Poch's progressive, pro-active style was able to incorporate younger (cheaper) players.

Jose and Conte's pedigrees were taking a squad to the "next level aka 🏆" by adding in some experienced pros.

I do have a few questions I'd love to ask Levy if I was ever in an elevator with him, one being, "why did you sack Mourinho days before the League Cup final?
 
Zest said:
Grealish was one they missed, fits the “through the door” as it seemed agreed, wonder who else.

Villa were in trouble, Levy tried to take advantage by renegotiating down, they got a new buyer who said fuck you Levy.
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There were strong rumours we showed Eberechi Eze round the stadium & training faciities, and a deal was there to be had.

But Mourinho said No.

The original visit may have been under Poch. Or it may be a later time period than the one the radio interview refers to.

But it shows these things are complicated, with several parties having to be in agreement, especially when a club is in flux.
 
Bubs said:
Look at this transfer window Conte want Zanolo who plays on the right and our divine leader bought Danjuma who plays on the left , club signing again
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I’ll be honest I’m not completely gutted about not spunking 30/40m on a crock who is struggling for Galatasaray now.

If Conte wanted someone to play on the right as back up to Kulu, he had Gil. If Zaniolo was a real target then that’s all sorts of dumb.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
I’ll be honest I’m not completely gutted about not spunking 30/40m on a crock who is struggling for Galatasaray now.

If Conte wanted someone to play on the right as back up to Kulu, he had Gil. If Zaniolo was a real target then that’s all sorts of dumb.
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To have any of this work you need trust in a scouting operation and to have any trust you need stability.

That was the core of what David Webb was saying on Talk Sport.

There have only been two periods in ENIC's reign at Spurs where there has been even a modicum of stability, the latter parts of Harry and Poch's tenures. And yet those were two instances in which we essentially stopped doing any business at all.

How do you explain that? Fuck me man, I haven't the foggiest.
 
Elias said:
There were strong rumours we showed Eberechi Eze round the stadium & training faciities, and a deal was there to be had.

But Mourinho said No.

The original visit may have been under Poch. Or it may be a later time period than the one the radio interview refers to.

But it shows these things are complicated, with several parties having to be in agreement, especially when a club is in flux.
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Eze is a fine player and is having a good month, but he certainly doesn't feel like a "this guy can't go wrong, how did we let this one get away?"

Palace players are several weeks away from having gotten their manager the sack.
 
Elias said:
But it shows these things are complicated, with several parties having to be in agreement, especially when a club is in flux.
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There’s a recent podcast with Theo Delaney hosting David Pleat and Pleat said this too. Transfers are really tough to get over the line. So many things need to line up perfectly to get one done.

Good job it was Pleat saying that and not Levy, otherwise this forum would presently be on fire.
 
FightingIllini said:
That was a dickish thing for Conte to say about a player he absolutely gave his assent to signing.
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Why did he practically never use him? It makes no sense to me.

Under Poch, we could have had players like Mane and Grealish. That’s the sort of Levy meddling that fucks me off and why I wish he’d step away from being involved in the decision making.
 
FightingIllini said:
To have any of this work you need trust in a scouting operation and to have any trust you need stability.

That was the core of what David Webb was saying on Talk Sport.

There have only been two periods in ENIC's reign at Spurs where there has been even a modicum of stability, the latter parts of Harry and Poch's tenures. And yet those were two instances in which we essentially stopped doing any business at all.

How do you explain that? Fuck me man, I haven't the foggiest.
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During Poch it was the stadium build.

There literally wasn't the funds, Jesus Perez said as much.
 
Château NoHo said:
Eze is a fine player and is having a good month, but he certainly doesn't feel like a "this guy can't go wrong, how did we let this one get away?"

Palace players are several weeks away from having gotten their manager the sack.
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But that's the whole point. There are very few "sure things".

IIRC the rumours arose when Eze was starring for QPR in the Championship. We have good enough relations with QPR (& I believe Eze's agents, though that could be wrong), that we were actively exploring.

Mourinho came in, didn't want a young prospect like Eze, and he went to Palace.

EDIT bus-conductor bus-conductor do you remember this?
 
FightingIllini said:
To have any of this work you need trust in a scouting operation and to have any trust you need stability.

That was the core of what David Webb was saying on Talk Sport.

There have only been two periods in ENIC's reign at Spurs where there has been even a modicum of stability, the latter parts of Harry and Poch's tenures. And yet those were two instances in which we essentially stopped doing any business at all.

How do you explain that? Fuck me man, I haven't the foggiest.
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I’d say the lack of managerial and scouting stability is the biggest issue with Levy. His lack of patience has cost us in the past.

With the exception of Chelsea and their bottomless pit of cash, the best sides in the past few decades have been Fergie’s United, Wenger’s shitebags, Klopp’s scouse plague and Pep’s City. Four managers who have served for many years. Is that a coincidence?
 
Elias said:
But that's the whole point. There are very few "sure things".

IIRC the rumours arose when Eze was starring for QPR in the Championship. We have good enough relations with QPR (& I believe Eze's agents, though that could be wrong), that we were actively exploring.

Mourinho came in, didn't want a young prospect like Eze, and he went to Palace.

EDIT bus-conductor bus-conductor do you remember this?
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And even though a player has done well elsewhere, it doesn’t mean they would have done well for us. Maybe we sign Mane from Southampton and he scores hatfuls. Maybe he’d have went a season without scoring. Who knows.
 
Elias said:
But that's the whole point. There are very few "sure things".

IIRC the rumours arose when Eze was starring for QPR in the Championship. We have good enough relations with QPR (& I believe Eze's agents, though that could be wrong), that we were actively exploring.

Mourinho came in, didn't want a young prospect like Eze, and he went to Palace.

EDIT bus-conductor bus-conductor do you remember this?
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I'm more annoyed about losing Marcus Edwards.

He's 6 months younger than Eze and has a fucking €50 Million release clause.
 
AberdeenYid said:
And even though a player has done well elsewhere, it doesn’t mean they would have done well for us. Maybe we sign Mane from Southampton and he scores hatfuls. Maybe he’d have went a season without scoring. Who knows.
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Mourinho probably wouldn't have developed Eze, and Conte would have hated him.

If we'd signed Eze when he was leaving QPR, he'd likely have been treated like the south London version of Bryan Gil.

It's about talent, fit with the head coach's tactics, luck in getting opportunities because of injuries to players in your position etc.

Pape Sarr looks a really good prospect. His entire season has been largely wasted by Conte.
 
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AberdeenYid said:
With the exception of Chelsea and their bottomless pit of cash, the best sides in the past few decades have been Fergie’s United, Wenger’s shitebags, Klopp’s scouse plague and Pep’s City. Four managers who have served for many years. Is that a coincidence?
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Not only stability of managers and ideas, but also a two-way relationship at the club and consistent evolution of the squad in all of those situations as well. Not manager vs chairman. An integrated whole.

And in the two newer examples, Klopp and Pep were tactical and stylistic evolutions of Rodgers and Pellegrini, not night-and-day reversals of the identity of the club. Very consciously so in the City case.

AberdeenYid said:
There’s a recent podcast with Theo Delaney hosting David Pleat and Pleat said this too. Transfers are really tough to get over the line. So many things need to line up perfectly to get one done.

Good job it was Pleat saying that and not Levy, otherwise this forum would presently be on fire.
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Our total number of transfers in and out has sharply declined as years have gone by under ENIC, and we do less business than peer clubs.

It's difficult. So is scoring a goal. This is the business we've chosen.
 
FightingIllini said:
To have any of this work you need trust in a scouting operation and to have any trust you need stability.

That was the core of what David Webb was saying on Talk Sport.

There have only been two periods in ENIC's reign at Spurs where there has been even a modicum of stability, the latter parts of Harry and Poch's tenures. And yet those were two instances in which we essentially stopped doing any business at all.

How do you explain that? Fuck me man, I haven't the foggiest.
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Both teams already had very solid cores and stable coach situations. That helps a lot. Poch’s team ran on fumes towards the end, though. Harry’s was just a team with a sprinkling of absolute star dust. Modric & Bale were two top 5 players ITW in the making.

It’s definitely better to not spend at all than to spend really badly. Ending up with bad footballers who are highly paid and will therefore need to be given a ‘chance’ is a nightmare. I’d rather have nobody than Zaniolo for example, would have been another mediocre, injury prone player on a decent whack who wasted our resources.
 
Nuts said:
So where do ‘club signings’ fit into all this? And Poch’s comments about filling a nice home with shit furniture? You think Poch wanted shit furniture?

Most likely he had to deal with what he was given. Same as Jose. Same as Conte. They get some decent signings but have to accept the other signings as well.
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As well as the mediocre poor players the bald genius refused to get rid of because it was cheaper to keep than replace with quality
 
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