What do you think the I in ENIC stands for?
They invest less than nearly any other owners, maybe less than all of them now Ashley is gone.
Are you ok with that? Would you not prefer owners who put more in when we’re on to a good thing?
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They invest less than nearly any other owners, maybe less than all of them now Ashley is gone.
Are you ok with that? Would you not prefer owners who put more in when we’re on to a good thing?
Would be nice but only with a promise that it's written off and not a loan so we're in debt to them.
Ultimately though we spent around £200m last Summer, £180m the Summer before that, how much do you want them to invest and how much more do you want to spend?
I think there's a very simple counter argument. No matter which manager he employs, they all fail under his stewardship and ultimately become the scapegoat.
Not saying they have to or even should. I just see them as business people that don't care enough to do it.
Evidently some owners do.
Even Rob mcelhenney and Ryan reynolds have invested personal money into wrexham and they're not billionaires
How much of that was their money vs club money? Last I checked actual external investment tables had us near rock bottom. Maybe they’ve become more ambitious/less risk averse since.
There’s genuinely nothing at all wrong with being in debt as long as the conditions are fair and sustainable. We’re in massive stadium debt and nobody blinks an eye because it’s well structured.
Brighton are in lots of debt to their owner but none of their fans are worried because he’s not suddenly going to call it in and his money has catapulted them to where they’re at.
Not a good counter argument, not every owner who invests is their team successful.
Yeah, that's them - gotta set your expectations with them though - they don't have to put money in but if they're not doing that, as fans I expect them to create infrastructure and revenue streams so that we are generating income via other means consistently which is what they've done.
That was all club money but my question is how much money would you want them to invest which is enough for you liking seeing as we are now spending near £200m in the Summer, is there a figure?
Ange has only been here a few months and we have been overhauling the squad. It was never getting done in one window.
Problem is, the guy's been way ahead of expectations and now we're all jittery because there are still some players to move on. We know they should have gone but they haven't. They probably know that themselves.
Got to give the club some time. I know it's as frustrating as fuck given how well we've been doing and I 100% get why folk don't trust Levy to get this right based on his past record. But we've got Ange and plenty of excellent players. Solid foundations to build on at last.
Problem is, the guy's been way ahead of expectations and now we're all jittery because there are still some players to move on. We know they should have gone but they haven't. They probably know that themselves.
Got to give the club some time. I know it's as frustrating as fuck given how well we've been doing and I 100% get why folk don't trust Levy to get this right based on his past record. But we've got Ange and plenty of excellent players. Solid foundations to build on at last.
I know the owner of the Bracknell Town in step 3 (were step 5). Put over a million in of his own cash in, he’s mid 30’s. I’m not even sure Levy’s done that
Now is the time to not borrow to invest, that ship has sailed. Another missed opportunity
500M IMO. Four first teamers and lots of potential
Sometimes it's hard to make sense of what you say.
200m net of player sales ? I don’t think so ….
Maddison 40
VDV 35
Johnson 40
Solomon free
Vicario 18
‘Phillips 2
Veliz 10
‘Plus loan purchase commitments 50k ?
Total 195
Winks 10
Kane 85
Sanchez 7
Loan fees est 10
Total 112
So net spend app. 83m which is not quite 200m .? 200m net would have been fine. but will never happen under Levy .
‘In fact all we needed to do was to bring in cover at CB , LB and striker probably could have done that for another 50-70 k . Even a CB plus a striker would have been ok. Maybe 50m.
‘But no, Levy can say why do we need cover ? We will definitely not have injuries or suspensions…
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Yeah fair enough but I wasn't counting net...btw you're not counting Kulu or Porro?
Yes, that’s the 50m loan commitments, maybe that should have been 70m.
Yeah so around £200m then.
No need to count net because the argument isn't that or backing or whatever, I just asked the question how much investment would be enough seeing as we invested so much over the last couple of Summers seeing as people want the owners to invest money from their own pockets?
No need to invest from their own pockets. What happens to the money from gate receipts, TV money, CL , numerous lucrative events at the stadium etc etc ? It should only need to come from their own pockets if they can’t account for what happened to it.
we shouldn’t need to fund player acquisitions only by player sales .
We invested net less than 100m this summer and that’s even including the payments for Porro and Kulu which I’m sure were already included in our player acquisitions for 2022-23 and 2021-22 respectively.
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We had enough chances to beat Wolves today.
Just saying.
Just saying.
Not really, they deserved the win. I don't know which game you were watching.We had enough chances to beat Wolves today.
Just saying.
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