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Seriously, what's the fucking point in asking for outside investment?

Will the OAP concession tickets return? No
Will any of the cash be invested wisely on world class players? No
Will the money be frittered away on hotels and go karting tracks? Almost certainly
 
I would very much doubt if its just Levy or Lewis selling a part of their shares - all the noise has been about increasing the capital base of Spurs which would mean new shares being issued (plus possibly a small sell off by Lewis/Levy if they need cash).

Likely it would be for commercial projects (eg property development around the stadium) plus a slug into a player acquisition fund.

What's doing the rounds is £600m or £700m for a 12.5% share which would give Spurs a value of £4.8 bn or £5.6 bn - which I doubt, its just too large. But if the money is split half as share capital and half as loans (or indeed some sort of convertible) it makes more sense giving Spurs a value of £2.4 bn to £2.9 bn.

Whether its actually happening or not - who knows
Whilst a cash boost would be nice, the bigger issue is the CEO and Chairman
 
I’m not taking that as good news for those of us who want rid of them. If anything it looks like Levy being given more power. Let’s not forget Levy could be a beneficiary of the Trust set up by Lewis (the spurs website says members of the Lewis family are potential beneficiaries) but of course it could also include Levy, they might have just not mentioned it for fear of the reaction.

Or alternatively Josh will be parachuted into Spurs from Tavistock when Daniel decides to retire ?
 
I would very much doubt if its just Levy or Lewis selling a part of their shares - all the noise has been about increasing the capital base of Spurs which would mean new shares being issued (plus possibly a small sell off by Lewis/Levy if they need cash).

Likely it would be for commercial projects (eg property development around the stadium) plus a slug into a player acquisition fund.

What's doing the rounds is £600m or £700m for a 12.5% share which would give Spurs a value of £4.8 bn or £5.6 bn - which I doubt, its just too large. But if the money is split half as share capital and half as loans (or indeed some sort of convertible) it makes more sense giving Spurs a value of £2.4 bn to £2.9 bn.

Whether its actually happening or not - who knows
Well shares can't be created out of thin air, so even if it's issuing new shares it will dilute ENIC's holding.

Agree that that valuation is absurd. Forbes' number is a rough estimate, but they're not going to be wildly inaccurate.

Given than loans now count against our PSR, it'd be pointless to bring in a capital injection of loans which put us to the sword. Zero double the authorities will treat us like Everton rather than City/Chelsea in terms of FFP and make an example of us.

Staying on the good side of PSR means we can inject £105M counted across 3 seasons. We're currently ahead £5M, so could actually bump that to £110M. At the £2.6B valuation, that's about a 4% stake. There's probably some creative accounting that can be done shifting assets with "debt" from THFC's books, including stadium naming rights, other sponsorships, etc. that can get you to a 9% stake for ±£250M that can be funneled directly to the squad.

But there isn't going to be a way to funnel more than that. If they're going to take on a larger share, and the plan is to use their money to fund the squad rather than provide Lewis more liquidity (entirely possible this is the actual goal), then it has to be a structured agreement spread out over the next decade.
 
Well shares can't be created out of thin air, so even if it's issuing new shares it will dilute ENIC's holding.

Agree that that valuation is absurd. Forbes' number is a rough estimate, but they're not going to be wildly inaccurate.

Given than loans now count against our PSR, it'd be pointless to bring in a capital injection of loans which put us to the sword. Zero double the authorities will treat us like Everton rather than City/Chelsea in terms of FFP and make an example of us.

Staying on the good side of PSR means we can inject £105M counted across 3 seasons. We're currently ahead £5M, so could actually bump that to £110M. At the £2.6B valuation, that's about a 4% stake. There's probably some creative accounting that can be done shifting assets with "debt" from THFC's books, including stadium naming rights, other sponsorships, etc. that can get you to a 9% stake for ±£250M that can be funneled directly to the squad.

But there isn't going to be a way to funnel more than that. If they're going to take on a larger share, and the plan is to use their money to fund the squad rather than provide Lewis more liquidity (entirely possible this is the actual goal), then it has to be a structured agreement spread out over the next decade.
Is that £105M correct? If you buy a player for £100M on a five year deal, that impacts only £20M per year no? So you could spend £500M
 
Well shares can't be created out of thin air, so even if it's issuing new shares it will dilute ENIC's holding.

Agree that that valuation is absurd. Forbes' number is a rough estimate, but they're not going to be wildly inaccurate.

Given than loans now count against our PSR, it'd be pointless to bring in a capital injection of loans which put us to the sword. Zero double the authorities will treat us like Everton rather than City/Chelsea in terms of FFP and make an example of us.

Staying on the good side of PSR means we can inject £105M counted across 3 seasons. We're currently ahead £5M, so could actually bump that to £110M. At the £2.6B valuation, that's about a 4% stake. There's probably some creative accounting that can be done shifting assets with "debt" from THFC's books, including stadium naming rights, other sponsorships, etc. that can get you to a 9% stake for ±£250M that can be funneled directly to the squad.

But there isn't going to be a way to funnel more than that. If they're going to take on a larger share, and the plan is to use their money to fund the squad rather than provide Lewis more liquidity (entirely possible this is the actual goal), then it has to be a structured agreement spread out over the next decade.

I don't think a new minority investor coming in by taking a stake of 10% to 15% by creating new shares is a problem for enic/Levy if it puts more money, say £600m or so, into Tottenham Hotspur Limited (which is a holding company for the group).

IMO part of the cash injection would go into property assets (outside PSR as I understand it - but should generate profits which can count as PSR revenues into the football side of things) with the rest (and let say its a 50/50 split) directly into football - probably mainly first team squad - and if we can get that to £250m (as you suggest), I think that's job done, given that if we are in europe we might be generating maybe £150m pa much of which can be invested in squad.
 
I think the general idea is that They get to switch / diversify away from dependency on oil money, which the world is generally supposedly steering away from. If they can build succesful sports brands then that's one avenue of revenue. You have to suspect that people believe the ESL will come into existence in some form at some pint, which could bring massive revenue streams.

One other way to increase revenues is by having a bigger following. The best way of achieving that is through having a successful team which brings glory hunters along with it. The reason you see Real and Barca shirts all over the globe is that they are massively successful on the pitch traditionally, and often have squads packed with top end names. That is the hope of poeple who would like to see a change of ownership generally I reckon.
Just one PL title then I will gladly say "In the bleak midwinter"
 
I would very much doubt if its just Levy or Lewis selling a part of their shares - all the noise has been about increasing the capital base of Spurs which would mean new shares being issued (plus possibly a small sell off by Lewis/Levy if they need cash).

Likely it would be for commercial projects (eg property development around the stadium) plus a slug into a player acquisition fund.

What's doing the rounds is £600m or £700m for a 12.5% share which would give Spurs a value of £4.8 bn or £5.6 bn - which I doubt, its just too large. But if the money is split half as share capital and half as loans (or indeed some sort of convertible) it makes more sense giving Spurs a value of £2.4 bn to £2.9 bn.

Whether its actually happening or not - who knows
Just like Dragon's Den...I can see Levy there with a fat wad of cash weighing it all up?
 
OK. You're entitled to your opinion.

But I take a different view.

I'm not neutral on ENIC, as they've clearly shown sporting success is unimportant to them. They openly stated they only got involved to exploit football's global popularity when they purchased the club and I despise the cunts and everything they represent

If a minority investment with a view to a full takeover involves interfering with team affairs then they can interfere away as far as I'm concerned because the alternative....25 more years of ENIC, magnolia paint,and watching our rivals clean up the silverware and take the fucking piss......is and should be unpalatable to any Spurs fan who wants to see us win.

Who knew 🙄
 
I don't think a new minority investor coming in by taking a stake of 10% to 15% by creating new shares is a problem for enic/Levy if it puts more money, say £600m or so, into Tottenham Hotspur Limited (which is a holding company for the group).

IMO part of the cash injection would go into property assets (outside PSR as I understand it - but should generate profits which can count as PSR revenues into the football side of things) with the rest (and let say its a 50/50 split) directly into football - probably mainly first team squad - and if we can get that to £250m (as you suggest), I think that's job done, given that if we are in europe we might be generating maybe £150m pa much of which can be invested in squad.
I just cannot at all see ENIC selling the chunk of the club necessary to generate £600M. That would put the new owner's roughly on par with Levy's, which would honestly shock me.

My interpretation of "minority investors" has always been just that - they want someone who will chip in the extra cash to take them closer to the PSR limit and fund the 10-15% increase in wage:turnover without ENIC having to liquidate funds to inject themselves.
 
Is that £105M correct? If you buy a player for £100M on a five year deal, that impacts only £20M per year no? So you could spend £500M
If you wanted to blow it all in one shot, you're given £105 cumulative over 3 years.

You could blow a shed load in 1 season (like Chelsea) but then you're greatly hamstrung each successive year. Or spread over 2 years like Woolwich and you're pinched on year 3. You may end up having to keep players signed who did not live up to expectation on your books because you cannot sell them (which I believe would prevent you from carrying forward any loss on the player) without increasing your PSR loss. The Qataris don't have a league to dump players into, like Chelsea's Saudi bosses do, so this is a very possible issue.

Simplest, most conservative, way to not paint yourself into a corner would be to use other opportunities such as stadium naming rights, and moving "losses" from other assets off the club's books to effectively double the £110M, spread it over the next 3 years and spend an extra £75M.

Levy isn't going to go to the wall though, so you can reel that back to £60M for safety's sake. At least 30% of that has to go to wages to support the increased wage bill created by additional spending. So £40M/year additional spending. Our average net spend has been £90M, so that gives us an average net spend of ±£130M over the next 3 years in exchange for 9% of the club and the naming rights.

Any way you cut it, I find the idea that there's going to be some Chelsea/City-esque explosion in spending. More of a gentle uptick market correction which puts us safely over Villa (destined for bankruptcy at their rate) and Newcastle.
 

On one hand this is a terrible look for the club. On the other hand I remain surprised by the number of professional footballers who expect to live on the cuff. Tottenham already paid him millions, didn't they? His own fault he twatted it away.

I get that he's hard off now, but it's a bit nonsensical to say the club ought to front tickets for someone who threw away £20M+ and yet still charge a supporter whose earned not a penny but paid in loads over the years.

And the "with all I did for that club" line....as if he done it for charity?
 
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