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Art Vandelay said:
We're talking about a business where trading players at the top flight level is almost exclusively a 7 digit or higher transaction.

Value is something that is judged afterwards, but outlay is something judged in real time. So circa 2015 there'd have been people stating we didn't back Poch and using the 4m spent on Dier and 5m on Alli as evidence that we went the cheap option. But both were good servants of the club. While at a later point we spent a fortune on Ndombele.

So you can't IMO discredit the amount of money spent in relation to whether we're 'backing a manager' after finding out what those players are like. That doesn't make some of the money come back to us. It's spent. It's gone.

Lots of things in football are subjective and open to opinion. Objectively and factually we have the highest net spend in the premier league during Ange's tenure, and are the 4th biggest spenders in net terms since our first window in the new stadium (19-20). Chelsea, Woolwich and United having spent more.
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True, Dele and Dier turned into great signings (for a few years under Poch anyway). It takes a good manager to get the best from those kind of signings though, moving Dier into defensive midfield and moving Dele into a more central role was good coaching. Players signed for a different role but the manager feeling they are better suited to a different position. Dier went downhill fast after insisting he's a center back.
So yeah, is not all about the money spent, the coaching of the players you have is more important. Ange isn't doing a great job at that
 
Art Vandelay said:
Let's say Ange is hellbent on Kimmich as an example. Contract winding down etc.
We offer a massive sign on bonus and Levy agrees to 300k p/w basic wages. Anyone here think he'd come here?

You can substitute his name with many other top line players and ask the same question if you like.
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Because they want to join a team where their team-mates are at a similar level to themselves. If we'd have had more players like the three I mentioned those three may well have wanted to remain and win things here.

Edit We should have temped higher wages players here when we were flying high under Poch, they'd have come then if the wages were right.
 
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Shadydan said:
Since Ange has been around Summer 2023 this club have spent more than Woolwich have in that time but you wouldn't say that Ange has been backed more than Arteta in that time would you?

This is my point really, I'm not discrediting numbers, I'm merely adding context, you just need to be careful with this argument that's all i'm saying.
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I just don't see it as being a case of look at the players he's been given. Levy has left him short.
Value is judged after the fact and Arteta has a stable club building on the foundations of previous windows.

He can add Calafiori or Timber or Havertz and not need them to be starring or even featuring heavily from the beginning because there's a more well rounded squad in place.

Guys are recruited here and feature from the offset and are expected to perform, in what is a disjointed squad of players at the best of time. Let alone when over half the squad is in the rehab room not the training pitch. Our one signing this month has played 90 mins in every match he's been eligible for.

But we might as well agree to disagree. I'll never look at the money spent on this manager and think he's not been backed. We just have such a poor base to build from, and in hindsight Poch and Conte both foresaw the need for a hefty rebuild and we're paying the price for not heeding the warning.
 
If I would have to tell someone who isn't following football who Daniel Levy is it's very simple. It's the guy who pays himself the biggest wage of anyone in his field and keeps his employees on a below market rate salary. What else do you need to know.
Oh yeah, and he spends a lot on a flashy office to impress the clients and bamboozle young employees to thinking they're in the right place to progress.
Oh yeah, and if you want to have a conversation with him about work related issues during a business trip he just cranks the music up in the car radio.
 
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Pathfinder said:
tbrfootball.com

Daniel Levy may have made private appointment behind the scenes as £250m Tottenham mystery deepens

Done deal. ✅
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Daniel Levy may have made private appointment behind the scenes as £250m Tottenham mystery deepens​


Adam Williams
Tue 28 January 2025 21:30, UK
With Tottenham in freefall under Ange Postecoglou, the blame game is in full swing in N17. Is it a rotten football culture and fixation on all things commercial, or simply a biblical injury list?

In truth, the current soap opera at Spurs is probably a combination of all of the above coupled with umpteen other structural issues.

It’s hard to argue that the manager isn’t culpable for several of them, but it is Levy’s blood that fans are baying for – and with one trophy in the 21st century, who can argue with them?


Tottenham are without a win in their last seven Premier League matches.

Granted, that run was punctuated with a 1-0 League Cup semi-final first-leg win over all-conquering Liverpool, giving them a half-decent chance of a first trophy since 2008.

But although the last decade or so has been characterised by a belief that silverware of any description would change things at Spurs, the malaise in this corner of North London is now well beyond a quick fix.

Winning English football’s least prestigious ‘major’ honour probably wouldn’t stifle the calls for Levy to step aside as chairman.

Similarly, it probably won’t be a determining factor in whether Ange Postecoglou keeps his job as far as ENIC are concerned given the paltry prize money and prestige on offer from the League Cup.

For context, the difference between finishing in 15th (Tottenham’s current league position) and 14th in the Premier League is worth around 20 times more than the payout for winning the League Cup.

And if there is one thing that moves ENIC and Levy, it is money.

The owners have never taken a penny out of the club via equity, although Levy has been paid over £50m in his role as chairman since he took the position – initially on an interim basis – in 2000.


Having engineered the move to the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, made the Spurs the most profitable club in Premier League history, and hiked revenue by over 1,000 per cent, Levy would argue he’s good value.

And while Tottenham fans – who measure success against wholly different criteria – would disagree in the most extreme terms, the 62-year-old has proved his business acumen once again in recent weeks.

Tottenham smash £250m barrier​

Deloitte recently released their annual Football Money League, which ranks clubs according to official data based on various financial metrics.

In terms of revenue, Tottenham fell from 8th to 9th place, with their absence from the Champions League seeing turnover fall from £550m to around £515m.

However, commercial income has risen from £218m to approximately £250m.

And given that Spurs have struck nine new sponsorship deals since the start of the season, fans can expect to see that figure rise again when their 2024-25 figures are released.

In details that don’t make good reading for supporters desperate for more investment, Spurs also had the lowest wages-to-turnover ratio of any club in the Money League.

We can also confidently say that, although not every club’s accounts are out yet, that will translate to the lowest wages-to-turnover ratio in the Premier League for 2023-24.

Levy and ENIC would argue that their business model is sound and that they are simply spending within their means.

The more cynically minded among us, however, would contest that they have simply found that spending enough to compete four the top six places in the Premier League delivers the best income-expenses ratio.

In any case, it is not working this season, and no amount of commercial income will offset the ignominy that a bottom-half finish in the Premier League – or worse – would cause.

The Todd Kline mystery: Where is Tottenham’s CEO?​

Although Spurs fans are sick of hearing about their commercial department, they may well be wondering who is steering the ship at present.

It has been almost 12 months since Tottenham announced that chief commercial officer Todd Kline would be exiting the club in a prosaic statement that suggested he may have left under a cloud.

Soon after, it emerged that Kline had defected to Chelsea.

Spurs are yet to announce his successor, although an unnamed official under the banner of ‘chief commercial officer’ did attend a leading sports business conference late last year.


Whoever it is, they could have a big hand in the future of the club as they will likely be given a seat on the board, according to football finance expert Kieran Maguire.

Speaking exclusively to TBR Football, Maguire said: “Commercial revenue is one area where clubs have an element of control.

“Therefore, having someone with experience in the role and can communicate at ‘C’ level is essentially

“I would imagine the commercial director will have a board position because the decisions they make are significant financially in the long term.”
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Chief Commercial Officer seems like the perfect role to slide Munn into once Paratici returns assuming that Levy for some reason wants to keep Munn employed.

He'd probably do a better job in that role than running the actual football side.
 
Shadydan said:
The most backed manager is Spurs' history doesn't lose the best striker in Spurs' history in the process of being 'backed'

Context needed.
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Then not replace him for 12 months leaving him with an injury prone Richarlison for a whole season.

You and I singing from the same hymn sheet buddy , one of us has had our account hacked
 
Shadydan said:
Well we don't know what Ange wanted so saying that he was backed is a non starter argument.

All well and good pointing at money spent but that doesn't tell the whole story.

If you acknowledge that we've spent extremely poorly then I'm struggling to work out how you think he's been backed in that sense. For the record this isn't me saying that he has done well with the resources he's been given, I think he could have done better this season with what's he's had at his disposal however I think the backing thing definitely needs context and the money he has had to spend just ignores the whole Kane thing who happened to be holding our team together in the last few years.
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Add to that being left with a declining Sonny, who when Kane had an off day was there , and when they both played well which was quite often they were very hard to stop.
 
Every now and then Reddit spits out a good idea.

The fans in the stadium need to repurpose the Sol Campbell song (the why you're such a cunt one, not the more problematic one) and make it about Levy. And sing it, sing it for 90 minutes at every game.
 
Art Vandelay said:
I understand that the one accusation that cannot be levelled at Levy is that he hasn't backed Ange.
That argument no matter how its presented I will not accept.

That we've spent our money extremely poorly. In full agreement.
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You have to look at the profile and the wages of the players that have been brought in.

Also at the obvious holes in our squad.

This squad was set up to fail and never ready for the new Europa format with extra games.
 
ShutUpPatrik said:
Every now and then Reddit spits out a good idea.

The fans in the stadium need to repurpose the Sol Campbell song (the why you're such a cunt one, not the more problematic one) and make it about Levy. And sing it, sing it for 90 minutes at every game.
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I genuinely thought that

Here was my stab at it

Hey Daniel Levy Cheapskate
I wanna knoooooow why you won’t sell up


Comparing him to Campbell which I have already done on here somewhere is the ultimate insult

Cheapskate might be to genteel for some , so it could be beefed up. Delete cheapskate and insert you ———— , whatever best describes him
 
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I hate agreeing with Rich but can't find his post to reply to so what is going on as we stand proves Levy's shit MO continues.
Gomes will soon be out of contract so cheap
Dibley will not be cheap but he is very young
Both good examples of the way he works.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
But all that says he greenlit Gray and Bergvall (and Solanke) He can still have greenlit those players without expecting that to be it.

Our problems with poor recruitment do predate Ange and they'll still exist when the next poor sod has the job.
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Hmmm, this is a bit of a sticking point for me -

On the one hand, I've seen you talk about wages, and on the other, I see you talk about poor recruitment.

Bournemouth are on the same points as Chelsea - Forest are above Chelsea & City - So 100% that is down to recruitment - but their progress on the pitch has nothing at all to do with wages.

Similarly, Liverpool do not pay wages close to City or Chelsea - for 2 or 3 players, perhaps, who have been there for what - nearly 10 years?

So it has to be a mixture of both -
 
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