Management ENIC

[Cranston]

As for reducing competition, questionable. Competition wasn't exactly stunning pre oil clubs (United, anyone?) because dynastic clubs had an enormous financial advantage and VERY rarely did any club challenge that. I'm not sure inherited wealth is any better or more virtuous than new money, personally.

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There’s a clear argument to be made that foreign investment has hugely increased competition.

UTD, Liverpool and the Scum have been joined by Chavs, City and Newcastle as potential league winners.

Watching UTD lift the trophy for the 117th time is hardly the stuff of excitement. And for all City’s dominance, look how quickly they have fallen.

 

[LeParisien]

Quite ironic, having a Nazi-esq dictator shutting down any form of criticism.
At Spurs of all clubs.

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I think you should have thought a bit more carefully about accusing people you don’t like of being a Nazi, given our strong Jewish ties.

Plenty of other fascists or authoritarians you could reference without choosing a party that slaughtered Jews in their millions.

 

[dudu]

Quite ironic, having a Nazi-esq dictator shutting down any form of criticism.
At Spurs of all clubs.

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lol mate - come on - you cannot believe that - even you.

 

[dudu]

I think you should have thought a bit more carefully about accusing people you don’t like of being a Nazi, given our strong Jewish ties.

Plenty of other fascists or authoritarians you could reference without choosing a party that slaughtered Jews in their millions.

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Well, also considering Levy is Jewish too....

 

[Deuterz]

You have no idea what Lewis’ motivations are. They’re completely opaque.

He’s made money in his investment but a football club is not an obvious place for a billionaire to make money. Billionaires rarely invest in football clubs.

What we do know is that our football club has been well run and it’s been run in the right way, as football clubs should be. You want to attribute this to an « accident ». I think it’s something that’s not worth giving up to a force that has tended to harm the game.

Manchester United we’re strong financially but they also benefited from other normal forces:
- A legendary manager that a host of other clubs could have signed
- The luck of a golden generation coming through the academy at the right time and the skill of investing in that academy
- Patience in not sacking their manager despite a few years of poor results (Fergie was very close to the sack).
Those are exactly the sorts of forces that should drive the game. Not Abramovich coming in and blowing up the market.

Notice too how Manchester United’s domestic dominance was not matched in Europe where they were relative underachievers.

Woolwich were similar. Wenger came in with improved professionalism, diet, and scouting and they improved. Those are all good sporting factors. Anyone could have signed Wenger from Grumpus 8.

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Yeah mate I'm not the billionaire whisperer. Pretty sure I can make an educated guess based on the whole never ever goes to games, leaves everything up to Levy, sits on a yacht in the bahamas and dabbles in insider trading and tax evasion deal though. The guy is money and ego obsessed, he's not in love with the club.

They do, but Lewis spotted an opportunity with us. And has capitalised on said opportunity. When he bought us, the football club game was more profitable as well. Why on earth do YOU think Lewis bought Spurs? And don't say because its his boyhood club and he loves us, or you're going to get laughed at. By everybody in here.

It's been run in a way which allows Lewis to not have to spend money on the club. That gives you a warm glow and makes you feel like we're some bastion of morality in football. Fine, but it's not true. We haven't been "well run" on a sporting level for years either, hence the current position.

If it wasn't United it would have been Liverpool. Every single league which hasn't got oil money is dominated by 1-2 clubs who are traditionally big forces, it would be no different here. You may get the equivalent to an Atletico Madrid or Leverkusen occasionally but that's it.

.. Yeah because other clubs like Madrid and Barcelona who essentially run their domestic leagues existed !!!

The league is no less competitive since oil money. You can call oil money unfair but it is what it is. The only way to make the sport fair would be to put everyone on a level financial playing field and watch the magic unfold. It'll never happen, because elite sport is ... unfair.

 

[dudu]

There’s a clear argument to be made that foreign investment has hugely increased competition.

UTD, Liverpool and the Scum have been joined by Chavs, City and Newcastle as potential league winners.

Watching UTD lift the trophy for the 117th time is hardly the stuff of excitement. And for all City’s dominance, look how quickly they have fallen.

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Completely agree with this - the League has never been more competitive than it has been the last few seasons. New teams in Europe and the CL - Almost impossible to call a result this season.

Its good for the game in some sense now, but when the Chelsea and CIty money came in - it was not because they were no safeguards and the TV money etc was not being fairly distributed.

 

[River Lea Banks 🇺🇦]

ENIC will never sell up

When the world has finally burnt up so much that all organisms cease to exist , Daniel Levy will still be running Tottenham Hotspur and will be on the blower trying to arrange for Beyonce's ashes to play at the banter bowl

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Reminds me of that story of the German Coca-Cola bottler that were found by allied forces still bottling Fanta in the factory ruins after WW2.

 

[Deuterz]

There’s a clear argument to be made that foreign investment has hugely increased competition.

UTD, Liverpool and the Scum have been joined by Chavs, City and Newcastle as potential league winners.

Watching UTD lift the trophy for the 117th time is hardly the stuff of excitement. And for all City’s dominance, look how quickly they have fallen.

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Without City Liverpool would have dominated the league for years. I even doubt Woolwich would have won it - without City you suddenly have a ripple effect where Liverpool win a bunch more titles, get more revenue, attract more players and maybe even keep Klopp on for longer as he's less fatigued.

La Liga is a two way bore fest occasionally interrupted by Simeone. The Bundesliga gets a random top 6 german team interrupting Bayerns solo cam fest every decade or so. Serie A might actually be the best example because NOBODY has any money so there are no powerhouses, when Juve did have money they were an Italian Bayern.

I'd 100% be open to some radical solution across the leagues where a version of FFP which isn't the big clubs going "hey, can we just go back to dominating?" existed, but those solutions will never happen.

 

[ILSpur]

View: https://bsky.app/profile/spursleaks.bsky.social/post/3lhwb5hhiyc23

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We're officially at the point where the anti-Levy/ENIC sentiment is so bad that people are willing to believe whatever ridiculous crap someone posts on social. To believe this you'd have to make the assumption that Levy actually cares about the protests.

I can almost guarantee he doesn't.

 

[Matt1882]

There’s a clear argument to be made that foreign investment has hugely increased competition.

UTD, Liverpool and the Scum have been joined by Chavs, City and Newcastle as potential league winners.

Watching UTD lift the trophy for the 117th time is hardly the stuff of excitement. And for all City’s dominance, look how quickly they have fallen.

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People may hate Chelsea and City, but if they hadn't happened, I reckon United would have 30+ titles by now and it would be the same old shit year after year. An Arse, a Newcastle, maybe a Liverpool have a go for a year or 2, then get their best players taken off them by United and they drop off again.

It would he as boring as Germany, France, Scotland if not worse.

 

[Matt1882]

lol mate - come on - you cannot believe that - even you.

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I watched the fans unfurl the banner the other week.
And I watched "security" come and force them to put it away PDQ.

 

[Matt1882]

We're officially at the point where the anti-Levy/ENIC sentiment is so bad that people are willing to believe whatever ridiculous crap someone posts on social. To believe this you'd have to make the assumption that Levy actually cares about the protests.

I can almost guarantee he doesn't.

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He will if they get big enough and public enough

 

[djchotspur]

Maybe. But we both know Lewis hasn't not put money in because of his belief in the integrity of sport, he's not put money in because he views Spurs as a source of profit. Accidentally doing something virtuous because you want to make loadsa' money is hardly the "local lads running the show" dream your initial post conveyed.

As for reducing competition, questionable. Competition wasn't exactly stunning pre oil clubs (United, anyone?) because dynastic clubs had an enormous financial advantage and VERY rarely did any club challenge that. I'm not sure inherited wealth is any better or more virtuous than new money, personally.

Leagues where there is very little foreign investment (Bundesliga) hardly epitomise competition, the league is entirely dominated by the club(s) who happened to be very successful at the right time once and now have a financial stranglehold over the competition. They very occasionally miss out on a league title and then sweep away the best talent in the league anyway.

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Ive never understood the hatred of clubs who get oil money etc to win. Like you said, just because a few clubs became massive for whatever reason over the years leading to more financial spending power and player attraction capabilities, why does that mean they deserve to constantly be the best clubs? Why can't financial doping clubs take over and disrupt the status quo.
People hate city, but I actually respect pep so much that I dont hate them. People make out like they went out there and signed Messi, Ronaldo, and Neymar with the way they go on about the money they spent. But when Madrid actually go out and sign the actually best players in the world its because they are madrid and Galaticos? People talk about state-funded clubs well Madrid has been bank rolled by the Spanish country for years.

 

[FightingIllini]

Sporting considerations should be the main determinant of sporting rules and sporting outcomes.

Clubs should have to spend within their means. It has been a complete mismanagement of the game to allow owners to pump money into their clubs for short term gain.

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I am broadly sympathetic to this, and I'm sure you and I could sit down and agree on a sensible set of regulations.

However, two things are true that need to be mentioned

1. Football clubs having investment from ownership to push for success (and indeed just to keep paying the bills), and resulting dominance of leagues by a handful of clubs has been the way of the sport all over the world for as long as the sport has been played professionally. And it has created generations of fans worldwide with love and passion for the game, as well as owners with thwarted ambitions and lighter wallets all along the way. That IS football.

2. The movement toward "self-sufficiency" is just the capital owning class in the game seeking to emulate American sports which have crushed their labor and guaranteed themselves permanent annual profits regardless of success or even competence in their operations. And down the road of that ideology comes the ESL, elimination of promotion and relegation, franchises moving, it's ugly. If what Abramovich brought was a cancer on the game, what Levy and the Americans are plotting is the bubonic plague.

 

[SpiderSpurs]

We're officially at the point where the anti-Levy/ENIC sentiment is so bad that people are willing to believe whatever ridiculous crap someone posts on social. To believe this you'd have to make the assumption that Levy actually cares about the protests.

I can almost guarantee he doesn't.

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Which was the point of me posting it.

 

[Hulk]

An important dimension of this is that our club has been self-sufficient. All of our growth has been achieved under our own steam and through our own ingenuity and good management which is exactly how it should be.

Abramovic, Mansour and the Saudis have invested in PL teams as political capital and to launder tbeir reparations. It’s a marketing exercise which has distorted the playing field in a way which damages sporting competition.

This hollowing out of the game and the increasing inequality has not been done for sporting reasons. It's been done to entrench the power and wealth of some already fabulously rich and powerful billionaires. If your solution to oligarchy is more oligarchy then you will always be disappointed.

Football is like democracy - it needs people more concerned with the game than winning to sustain it.

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While I agree dirty money in our sport and clubs is disgusting - especially Chelsea and their Russian mafia criminal owner - Spurs will never be successful with this ownership and the only people able to afford a few billion are going to be cunts no matter where they come from.

Levy and Enic haven't built this business and property portfolio for the good of the club, the fans or to be successful - they have done it to enrich themselves beyond their wildest dreams. Making a few hundred million investment they now sit on what, the guts of 4 billion?!
They are still cunts - they just don't spend enough on the pitch for us to have any success or ambition when they in the last few years at least definitely could do.
They aren't concerned 'about the game' or sustainability - they are concerned with taking as much coin as possible into their business - thats it.
I am at the point now where I want them out no matter what. I don't want human rights abuser owners but where do we go if we don't sell?
Absolutely nowhere with zero success thats where.

 

[LeParisien]

Yeah mate I'm not the billionaire whisperer. Pretty sure I can make an educated guess based on the whole never ever goes to games, leaves everything up to Levy, sits on a yacht in the bahamas and dabbles in insider trading and tax evasion deal though. The guy is money and ego obsessed, he's not in love with the club.

They do, but Lewis spotted an opportunity with us. And has capitalised on said opportunity. When he bought us, the football club game was more profitable as well. Why on earth do YOU think Lewis bought Spurs? And don't say because its his boyhood club and he loves us, or you're going to get laughed at. By everybody in here.

It's been run in a way which allows Lewis to not have to spend money on the club. That gives you a warm glow and makes you feel like we're some bastion of morality in football. Fine, but it's not true. We haven't been "well run" on a sporting level for years either, hence the current position.

If it wasn't United it would have been Liverpool. Every single league which hasn't got oil money is dominated by 1-2 clubs who are traditionally big forces, it would be no different here. You may get the equivalent to an Atletico Madrid or Leverkusen occasionally but that's it.

.. Yeah because other clubs like Madrid and Barcelona who essentially run their domestic leagues existed !!!

The league is no less competitive since oil money. You can call oil money unfair but it is what it is. The only way to make the sport fair would be to put everyone on a level financial playing field and watch the magic unfold. It'll never happen, because elite sport is ... unfair.

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I’ll not making a guess at why Lewis bought the club. You’re doing that.

The problem is you wear two pairs of glasses when judging leagues. For the Bundesliga who look only at the winner, ignoring the vibrant competition below Bayern. For the PL who look at the competition below and ignore the fact that Man City havé won the last 4 titles. 6 of the last 7. Over half of competitions in the past 10/15 years won by two clubs backed by the wealth of states.

It’s not easy to compare how competitive different leagues are but at least apply the same standard.

The unfairness is now that oligarchy is a prerequisite for winning. Everyone else is feeding off scraps. Since Fergie retired, 9 out of 11 PL titles have been won by oligarchy. Similar story in the cups. This minimises the role that good sporting decisions play in success. It’s a question of extent.

 

[LeParisien]

While I agree dirty money in our sport and clubs is disgusting - especially Chelsea and their Russian mafia criminal owner - Spurs will never be successful with this ownership and the only people able to afford a few billion are going to be cunts no matter where they come from.

Levy and Enic haven't built this business and property portfolio for the good of the club, the fans or to be successful - they have done it to enrich themselves beyond their wildest dreams. Making a few hundred million investment they now sit on what, the guts of 4 billion?!
They are still cunts - they just don't spend enough on the pitch for us to have any success or ambition when they in the last few years at least definitely could do.
They aren't concerned 'about the game' or sustainability - they are concerned with taking as much coin as possible into their business - thats it.
I am at the point now where I want them out no matter what. I don't want human rights abuser owners but where do we go if we don't sell?
Absolutely nowhere with zero success thats where.

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I don’t support Spurs for the trophies. If I did I’d be the dumbest cunt in Europe.

None of us do.

There is a lot that’s valuable besides winning trophies and if you can’t connect with that then the games dead.

 

[FightingIllini]

I don’t support Spurs for the trophies. If I did I’d be the dumbest cunt in Europe.

None of us do.

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[LeParisien]

I am broadly sympathetic to this, and I'm sure you and I could sit down and agree on a sensible set of regulations.

However, two things are true that need to be mentioned

1. Football clubs having investment from ownership to push for success (and indeed just to keep paying the bills), and resulting dominance of leagues by a handful of clubs has been the way of the sport all over the world for as long as the sport has been played professionally. And it has created generations of fans worldwide with love and passion for the game, as well as owners with thwarted ambitions and lighter wallets all along the way. That IS football.

2. The movement toward "self-sufficiency" is just the capital owning class in the game seeking to emulate American sports which have crushed their labor and guaranteed themselves permanent annual profits regardless of success or even competence in their operations. And down the road of that ideology comes the ESL, elimination of promotion and relegation, franchises moving, it's ugly. If what Abramovich brought was a cancer on the game, what Levy and the Americans are plotting is the bubonic plague.

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I’m sure we’d agree on a lot.

To both points, sport relies on competition. The most beautiful thing in all of sport is an underdog that wins. If that becomes impossible then we’ve killed something meaningful.

That’s why the ESL is wrong and it’s why growing inequality in the game is harmful. We’ve got to a stage where promotion to the PL is almost a curse for clubs.