I like them, but they are average players. Don't know what happen to Dier as he was very good in the beggining, now he seems to lack the athleticism to play football and are suffering the obvious problems of adapting to a new position. Winks is probably not good enough to be a starter but I would like him to stay at the club to slow down the tempo when we are winning the matches.No-one is asking for them to be glorified. Just irks a bit when our own fans slate them as you would expect opposition fans to.
Let's be clear...I'm not saying everyone should like every player...everyone is more than welcome to think they aren't good enough and want improvements. However, some of the vitriol on here, especially during match threads, is ridiculous at times.