A discussion like this is not a bad thing and is needed. Not by idiots like me of course but by the authorities and all the relevant organisations.
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I just don't buy your faith in the higher morals of UEFA, sorry. Den of snakes...they're complicit in this as well. They aren't being drug along, no matter how the publicly profess such.
Its idiots like us, however, that have to not consider the ESL a victory and seize the moment to make the authorities have those discussions and reach those conclusions.
Need to be massive protests surrounding every football match still...show them that just killing the ESL won't do.
No idea.
Shame supporters aren't allowed to attend, We would have had 10k protesting today.
Completely disagree.
No one felt aggrieved if a player's toe was offside and they scored against you. They would show a replay and it would look very tight and you'd accept it.
Only when it was a completely obvious offside would fans be angry. There has to be some common sense brought into the equation. I'm not sure how they adapt it to bring in some minimum threshold but this nonsense of zooming in down to pixels and moving lines around for 2 mins before essentially guessing (because the cameras aren't high quality enough) is a nonsense.
In its current form VAR can be used to ensure players who are yards offside are always penalised but on a millimetre scale makes no sense and just serves to take away enjoyment of celebrating a goal which is the highlight of a football match.
Until the technology develops to the point where we can be accurate down to the millimetre and decisions are done instantly and automatically - not by a bloke zooming in on a grainy image and moving lines about - we need to accept there will be some margin of error.
Yeah, let’s use “common sense”, no fans ever moaned about the use of that did they?
Fucking hell. We get offside decision making down to fine margin and people moan about it being too accurate.
Not faith just different selfish goals.
UEFA wanted a deeper CL as it takes control away from the big 8 clubs. By having it deeper smaller nations are likely to support uefa as they are reliant upon the CL.
There are plenty of examples over the past few negotiations.
You have EU rules to consider, FFP was negotiated very closely with the EU to stay onside of Workers rights.
I meant the Bundesliga
In a weird way this whole thing has left me just as angry with players, Sky, UEFA and FIFA as it has Levy or any of the ESL group because it has reminded me of the bullshit and even worse to have the likes of UEFA, FIFA and such act the victim. Let us not forget.
- in 92 a group of clubs quit and set up the prem so they could get more money and let the Sky barstards in.
- Abramovich turns up fresh from stealing the money of the Russian people and buys Chelsea to whitewash his image. He proceeds to spend like hell inflating the cost of everything. Grants Chelsea success they never truly earned.
- Mansour comes in and does the same only to a much greater degree with City.
- FIFA take brown envelopes to give the World Cup to Qatar and Russia, vast numbers of forced workers (also known as slaves with a small wage) die building the stadiums in Qatar.
- During the middle of global pandemic PFA did at best the bare minimum and acted the cunt on wages even though clubs where suffering due to lost revenue.
This whole Super League debacle has reminded me of what’s happened before and while I am glad the ESL failed it was billionaires stealing from millionaires. For the fans to claim ‘’victory’’ this isn’t anywhere near enough, we are still customers not fans.
- in 92 a group of clubs quit and set up the prem so they could get more money and let the Sky barstards in.
- Abramovich turns up fresh from stealing the money of the Russian people and buys Chelsea to whitewash his image. He proceeds to spend like hell inflating the cost of everything. Grants Chelsea success they never truly earned.
- Mansour comes in and does the same only to a much greater degree with City.
- FIFA take brown envelopes to give the World Cup to Qatar and Russia, vast numbers of forced workers (also known as slaves with a small wage) die building the stadiums in Qatar.
- During the middle of global pandemic PFA did at best the bare minimum and acted the cunt on wages even though clubs where suffering due to lost revenue.
This whole Super League debacle has reminded me of what’s happened before and while I am glad the ESL failed it was billionaires stealing from millionaires. For the fans to claim ‘’victory’’ this isn’t anywhere near enough, we are still customers not fans.
Great post, thanks Tomo
While I agree with everything you said there, the bright line distinction between all of that stuff and the ESL is the line between competing, however unfairly, versus eliminating competition.
However much filthy money powered Chelski and City, they still had to go out and win it on the pitch. However gross Qatar is, it will still field a tournament in which any nation can qualify and compete as equals.
in an environment not fit for competitive football at world level
True but it’s competition in name only with City when they can buy 2-3 players for the same position each 20-40m each with no bother across the entire squad.
It’s the illusion of competition. The ESL took the illusion away and showed it for what it really is which is what caused the uproar.
I hope there are still massive protests around the LC final. Too much to ask, but a walkout would be a pointed demonstration....first footy with spectators, and then the supports pack it in to protest outside?
Alas, I fear the death of the ESL will quell the angst.
I dunno, it is a cup final after all, players should be supported.
The millionaire players who wouldn't take a paycut during a global pandemic and stood their clubs up against a wall? Nah, fuck them too. Its our money in their pockets.
Whole game needs reworking top to bottom. Anyone claiming victory has a small brain. UEFA and FIFA successfully rebranding themselves as victims is a misrepresentation. They managed to spook Sky, spook players by threatening international bans and those guys did a splendid job thereafter after convincing fans it would be a victory to force the clubs to back down and allow them to run their extremely similar "revamped UCL" plans through.
There's no material difference, except:
We won't be in it, because we are about to be crap again
UEFA will control the show, and so we just surpress the issues. Freud warned us about this stuff
Given where we are going, inevitably there weren't many rational reasons to reject the plan. Also, only the premier league ever talked about the teams leaving. It was just meant to be the premier european competition.
See you in 2030. I think i'll be around until about 2065. Let's see if Dave with his bovril and the kippers from the bricklayer's arms are holding up against Asia's nextgen and, indeed, our own brand of ultimate teamers then. I'm sure they'll all be sat about keenly watching Fulham v QPR on VR getting head from a robot saying "thank **** we didn't join that FAKKKKKIN super league - this is propah YOO-KAY culture DISS"
There's no material difference, except:
We won't be in it, because we are about to be crap again
UEFA will control the show, and so we just surpress the issues. Freud warned us about this stuff
Given where we are going, inevitably there weren't many rational reasons to reject the plan. Also, only the premier league ever talked about the teams leaving. It was just meant to be the premier european competition.
See you in 2030. I think i'll be around until about 2065. Let's see if Dave with his bovril and the kippers from the bricklayer's arms are holding up against Asia's nextgen and, indeed, our own brand of ultimate teamers then. I'm sure they'll all be sat about keenly watching Fulham v QPR on VR getting head from a robot saying "thank **** we didn't join that FAKKKKKIN super league - this is propah YOO-KAY culture DISS"
The Qatar World Cup is simply disgusting, I'm always amazed at how little coverage it gets.
5,000+ deaths at the last count. Fifa should've cancelled it years ago. Corrupt cunts.