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He will start games mate and for one of Kane or Son. 100%.
I was just translating your ovvsdionscwhen Richarlison post lol
'milking the cows'.......is this a pseudonym?.....
Nah, I'm a dairy farmer'milking the cows'.......is this a pseudonym?.....
Lots of talk already about Haaland vs Kane
As exciting as Haaland is, it is disrespectful to Kane - no way Haaland is in the conversation of being up there in the conversation yet.
He’s literally just started his career in the PL and hasn’t won or done anything notable yet.
He needs at least 2 seasons of 30+ PL goals and a couple of trophies to be considered to be on the level of prime Kane. He will probably get there but he still needs to do it.
As exciting as Haaland is, it is disrespectful to Kane - no way Haaland is in the conversation of being up there in the conversation yet.
He’s literally just started his career in the PL and hasn’t won or done anything notable yet.
He needs at least 2 seasons of 30+ PL goals and a couple of trophies to be considered to be on the level of prime Kane. He will probably get there but he still needs to do it.
Oddly Harry the 1, 2, 3, 4… season wonder has had to prove himself over and over again. Haaland can score 20 and will be considered better after 1 year.
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He did have a couple of really nice moments, but the game mostly passed him by. He was really ponderous on the ball, Lavia dispossesed him pretty easily. Got better in the second half, but still quite poor.
I remember one particular moment in the second half where Kulu gave Kane a perfect through ball, Kane had the ball at his feet, level with the CBs, but didn't have the energy/confidence to drive at goal, instead passing to Son, who in turn took a limp shot which was easily saved. The pass was the right choice IMO, but you could see he didn't fancy a foot race with Salisu.
When we had Southampton pinned back, he was constantly trying to move away from the centre of the box to try and get involved in build up play, as a result he was out of position several times when a cross did come in. Rewatch the Dier goal, he wasn't intersted in being on the end of a cross. He was slow to anticipate Son winding up the cross, and never made a serious attemp to get into a position to attack a cross.
Unlike how Welbeck hassled the United midget, Mitrovic clowned VVD etc. Kane wasn't interested in the Southampton CBs.
Our success in attack came from Sess absolutely battering KWP, a Kulu masterclass, and Benta/PEH locking down the middle of the pitch defensively.
Agreed but what greater incentive for Kane to both show that City should have bid higher last summer and to go on and break Shearer's PL record if he and Conte see it like that.
This made me think of fresh piece from Athletic about Kane's playing style development.
Could go into more depth, but still...
I guess we have Mou to thank for that.
Harry Kane the Roamer: The Athletic’s new analysis explains how his role changed Charlie Eccleshare
Harry Kane’s evolution over the past few years has seen him transition from clinical finisher operating mainly close to goal into a provider who drops deep. The eye test shows that, but can it be quantified?The Athletic’s brand new player roles analysis attempts to do exactly that, providing a detailed view of a player’s tactical role based on the quantifiable actions they take on the pitch rather than starting positions.
For example, a striker for one team might be asked to perform a totally different role compared with a striker for another, so it seems unfair and potentially misleading to lump them into the same category. This analysis looks to overcome those issues and provide clarity on a player’s remit on the pitch.
So, what did we do? Put simply, The Athletic has developed a unique set of 18 player roles using 42 stats from FBref’s StatsBomb data, which has been collected from the big five European leagues over the past five seasons.
The roles are presented within six broad player categories (eg, Central attackers, Wide attackers, Advanced midfielders). Each of those categories is then divided into three roles (eg, Finisher, Target, Roamer). This teases out your Haalands from your Kanes, your Calvert-Lewins from your Firminos etc.
We have selected a few players to use as case studies, including Kane here. Let’s see how his categorisation has changed over the past five seasons.
The numbers are pretty stark — the model went from confidently classifying Kane as a box-focused Finisher for several seasons to describing him as a mobile Roamer for the last two.
In 2017-18, Kane had a 91 per cent probability of being characterised as a Finisher — defined as a player focused on getting in the box and finding shots — followed by 62 per cent and 82 per cent in the subsequent two seasons. In the two most recent campaigns, that percentage became negligible.
Meanwhile, his probability of being characterised as a Roamer — defined as a player who likes to drop deep or wide to create for team-mates when he’s not getting into goalscoring positions himself — increased to 75 per cent in 2020-21 (when he topped the Premier League charts for goals and assists), then 53 per cent in the season just gone.
One of the many interesting things about Kane’s evolution is that he has always been an outstanding playmaker. Go back to his first season as a Spurs regular — 2014-15 — and there are flashes of genius in this regard. A sensational pass that cuts out almost the entire Manchester United defence to create a one-on-one for Ryan Mason in a goalless draw in December 2014 is one of many good examples.
But given how deadly he was when getting in the box and scoring goals — in the 2017-18 season, Kane scored 41 goals in all competitions and in the Premier League averaged more than five shots a game — there wasn’t the same demand for him to do much else besides goalscoring.
The close-range goals below from that season (in order: v West Ham, September 2017; v West Brom, November 2017; v Southampton, December 2017; v Everton, January 2018) were typical of Kane’s main focus at the time.
Plus an example to show he was capable of producing brilliant assists even then, like this one from an inside-right area for Son Heung-min against Liverpool in October 2017:
Jose Mourinho’s arrival in November 2019 meant Spurs played with a less coordinated attacking plan, giving Kane greater licence to roam around the pitch and make use of his playmaking gifts.
A glimpse of this came in Spurs’ penultimate game of the 2019-20 season, a 3-0 home win against Leicester City, during which Kane scored twice, made the other and produced an outrageous pass with the outside of his right foot to Son that should have resulted in another goal.
When the subsequent campaign started a couple of months later, Kane established himself in this new Roamer role with a staggering four-assist performance (all for Son) in a 5-2 win away at Southampton.
The first assist is a first-time, left-footed pass from an inside-left position.
The second is from a classic No 10 position.
The third is from inside his own half.
The fourth is from wide on the right.
Kane scored Spurs’ other goal that day, underlining that he could be a lethal goalscorer and a provider. He ended the campaign top of the Premier League charts for goals (23) and assists (14) despite playing in a dysfunctional Spurs team that staggered to a seventh-place finish. It was his best season for Premier League goal involvements.
Last season, once Antonio Conte took over in November, Kane returned to those 2020-21 levels. He ended the season with 17 goals and nine assists (despite only having one of each by the midway point of December), and we can see from screengrabs the sort of roaming positions he took up.
The Athletic’s player role analysis picked up on Kane’s increased involvement in the middle third and his increasingly progressive passing and dribbling — just a few of the stats that showed his role had changed from Finisher to Roamer. Added to that, Kane’s Premier League assist totals of nine and 14 in the past two seasons are a big increase on his two, four and two from 2017-18 to 2019-20.
Kane’s evolution neatly encompasses why broad positional definitions like striker can be unhelpful. While he may technically play in the same position as five years ago, his role in the team is almost unrecognisable
The Athletic seems to specifically employ illiterate fuckwits.This made me think of fresh piece from Athletic about Kane's playing style development.
Could go into more depth, but still...
I guess we have Mou to thank for that.
Harry Kane the Roamer: The Athletic’s new analysis explains how his role changed Charlie Eccleshare
Harry Kane’s evolution over the past few years has seen him transition from clinical finisher operating mainly close to goal into a provider who drops deep. The eye test shows that, but can it be quantified?
The Athletic’s brand new player roles analysis attempts to do exactly that, providing a detailed view of a player’s tactical role based on the quantifiable actions they take on the pitch rather than starting positions.
For example, a striker for one team might be asked to perform a totally different role compared with a striker for another, so it seems unfair and potentially misleading to lump them into the same category. This analysis looks to overcome those issues and provide clarity on a player’s remit on the pitch.
So, what did we do? Put simply, The Athletic has developed a unique set of 18 player roles using 42 stats from FBref’s StatsBomb data, which has been collected from the big five European leagues over the past five seasons.
The roles are presented within six broad player categories (eg, Central attackers, Wide attackers, Advanced midfielders). Each of those categories is then divided into three roles (eg, Finisher, Target, Roamer). This teases out your Haalands from your Kanes, your Calvert-Lewins from your Firminos etc.
We have selected a few players to use as case studies, including Kane here. Let’s see how his categorisation has changed over the past five seasons.
The numbers are pretty stark — the model went from confidently classifying Kane as a box-focused Finisher for several seasons to describing him as a mobile Roamer for the last two.
In 2017-18, Kane had a 91 per cent probability of being characterised as a Finisher — defined as a player focused on getting in the box and finding shots — followed by 62 per cent and 82 per cent in the subsequent two seasons. In the two most recent campaigns, that percentage became negligible.
Meanwhile, his probability of being characterised as a Roamer — defined as a player who likes to drop deep or wide to create for team-mates when he’s not getting into goalscoring positions himself — increased to 75 per cent in 2020-21 (when he topped the Premier League charts for goals and assists), then 53 per cent in the season just gone.
One of the many interesting things about Kane’s evolution is that he has always been an outstanding playmaker. Go back to his first season as a Spurs regular — 2014-15 — and there are flashes of genius in this regard. A sensational pass that cuts out almost the entire Manchester United defence to create a one-on-one for Ryan Mason in a goalless draw in December 2014 is one of many good examples.
But given how deadly he was when getting in the box and scoring goals — in the 2017-18 season, Kane scored 41 goals in all competitions and in the Premier League averaged more than five shots a game — there wasn’t the same demand for him to do much else besides goalscoring.
The close-range goals below from that season (in order: v West Ham, September 2017; v West Brom, November 2017; v Southampton, December 2017; v Everton, January 2018) were typical of Kane’s main focus at the time.
Plus an example to show he was capable of producing brilliant assists even then, like this one from an inside-right area for Son Heung-min against Liverpool in October 2017:
Jose Mourinho’s arrival in November 2019 meant Spurs played with a less coordinated attacking plan, giving Kane greater licence to roam around the pitch and make use of his playmaking gifts.
A glimpse of this came in Spurs’ penultimate game of the 2019-20 season, a 3-0 home win against Leicester City, during which Kane scored twice, made the other and produced an outrageous pass with the outside of his right foot to Son that should have resulted in another goal.
When the subsequent campaign started a couple of months later, Kane established himself in this new Roamer role with a staggering four-assist performance (all for Son) in a 5-2 win away at Southampton.
The first assist is a first-time, left-footed pass from an inside-left position.
The second is from a classic No 10 position.
The third is from inside his own half.
The fourth is from wide on the right.
Kane scored Spurs’ other goal that day, underlining that he could be a lethal goalscorer and a provider. He ended the campaign top of the Premier League charts for goals (23) and assists (14) despite playing in a dysfunctional Spurs team that staggered to a seventh-place finish. It was his best season for Premier League goal involvements.
Last season, once Antonio Conte took over in November, Kane returned to those 2020-21 levels. He ended the season with 17 goals and nine assists (despite only having one of each by the midway point of December), and we can see from screengrabs the sort of roaming positions he took up.
The Athletic’s player role analysis picked up on Kane’s increased involvement in the middle third and his increasingly progressive passing and dribbling — just a few of the stats that showed his role had changed from Finisher to Roamer. Added to that, Kane’s Premier League assist totals of nine and 14 in the past two seasons are a big increase on his two, four and two from 2017-18 to 2019-20.
Kane’s evolution neatly encompasses why broad positional definitions like striker can be unhelpful. While he may technically play in the same position as five years ago, his role in the team is almost unrecognisable
You say that like Harry has won trophies. Haalands goal scoring in the champions league alone means he can eat at kanes table. Only a fool would say you cant compare them both right now. Kane has his work cut out keeping up with him this year make no mistake about it.
Excuse me!?
I ran an AI algorithm on the article and my data is telling me that there is only a 23% probability of them being "Illiterate fuckwits", while there is a 52% match for "Analphabetic twats".
I'm not saying that Haaland won't end up being the better striker BUT he still needs to go out and do it. It's annoys me that people have already crowned him as the king of the Premier League when he's played 1 game. Why don't pundits just let it play out and see whether he plays to his potential for a full season?
Remember Lukaku? Neither do I.
Nobody’s crowned him anything haha. That’s just you having a melt down for no reason at all son. Relax yourself
Many similar takes regarding the Haaland v Kane debate like the below. There are many pundits saying they’d take Haaland based on his play now - not bc of his future potential or age.
He was so bad today and still managed to score. All is forgiven!
I worry that his legs have gone, he was painfully slow today.
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Him and Son should be docked the week's wages and made run to run around in the sun naked until their buttcheeks are too subburnt to sit on.
Disgraceful, especially after last week's no show.