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You're entitled to your opinion and I definitely anticipated the reaction that I got from that single post - full of rage and hate. It was expected yet I'm going to point out what I see as unjust.

Answer me this, should Kane have played in last year's CL final? Putting clearly unfit Kane for a full 90 in at the expense of someone like Lucas who was fit and got the team there in the first place was absolutely shocking. I can't think of another explanation for that decision other than the explanation I gave in the post that got so much hate. Yes, I believe race/ethnicity/nationality does play a role here - you can agree or disagree.

Going off topic, I'm glad Harry looked better this past weekend. I'm hoping he continues to get better and helps the team quality for next seasons CL but would also like to see him have to fight for his spot in the line-up like everyone else on the squad.
I'm Jamaican and mixed race or for americans black and this comment is utter nonsense.
 
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eugekhan

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I'm Jamaican and mixed race or for americans black and this comment is utter nonsense.
Respect your opinion and others' opinion here. If you don't agree with the example I gave then that's fine... but to think that the football and/or the Premier League does not have a race and/or discrimination issue is absurd. Just ask yourself this... how many managers of color are there? How many colored team captains are there? I'll give you the answer - 0/0 and 3/20 respectively. I could go on giving shocking statistics that really highlight the disparity.

Kane is a huge beneficiary of being the de facto poster boy of English football. He's a source of pride, not just for Spurs fans but for the nation/region as well. Regardless of how good or bad he plays, he will always get the support he needs from fans, management, and the league. To sit/bench him on the Spurs over another player or have someone take his place as a #9 would be a slap in the face to English football. Absolute shame. As long as he's in the Premier League, he will never have true competition for his spot on the Spurs, even if he were injured and on one leg.

Most will disagree and make disparaging remarks but just pointing something out that I think needs to be said.
 
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Answer me this, should Kane have played in last year's CL final? Putting clearly unfit Kane for a full 90 in at the expense of someone like Lucas who was fit and got the team there in the first place was absolutely shocking. I can't think of another explanation for that decision other than the explanation I gave in the post that got so much hate. Yes, I believe race/ethnicity/nationality does play a role here - you can agree or disagree.
LOL

Of course Kane should have started as he is light years better than Moura even if he is only at 25% healthy.

As for Moura "getting us there" he was the lucky recipient of good plays by other players rather than him actually being quality and making those chances. it is already bad enough how many chances we have wasted on him because of 1 productive, not even really good, game no need to sewer the team by playing a vastly inferior player just because he got lucky once.

Any illusion to race being an issue is about as stupid an argument made as I have seen in awhile.
 
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Respect your opinion and others' opinion here. If you don't agree with the example I gave then that's fine... but to think that the football and/or the Premier League does not have a race and/or discrimination issue is absurd. Just ask yourself this... how many managers of color are there? How many colored team captains are there? I'll give you the answer - 0/0 and 3/20 respectively. I could go on giving shocking statistics that really highlight the disparity.

Kane is a huge beneficiary of being the de facto poster boy of English football. He's a source of pride, not just for Spurs fans but for the nation/region as well. Regardless of how good or bad he plays, he will always get the support he needs from fans, management, and the league. To sit/bench him on the Spurs over another player or have someone take his place as a #9 would be a slap in the face to English football. Absolute shame. As long as he's in the Premier League, he will never have true competition for his spot on the Spurs, even if he were injured and on one leg.

Most will disagree and make disparaging remarks but just pointing something out that I think needs to be said.
LOL

The guy just scored the 2nd most goals in 200 games for a club in PL history, is a multi time Golden Boot winner in the EPL, was the top scorer at a recent World Cup and has one of the highest goal per game in EPL history I wonder if any of that is a reason that he gets support and opportunity. The fact that he is the best effing striker of his generation and arguably the best striker in the EPL right now likely has something to do with why he is not put on the bench for no reason.

But I guess pointing to race with zero signs of it actually being a factor is more more edgy for a edgelord like yourself.
 
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Respect your opinion and others' opinion here. If you don't agree with the example I gave then that's fine... but to think that the football and/or the Premier League does not have a race and/or discrimination issue is absurd. Just ask yourself this... how many managers of color are there? How many colored team captains are there? I'll give you the answer - 0/0 and 3/20 respectively. I could go on giving shocking statistics that really highlight the disparity.

Kane is a huge beneficiary of being the de facto poster boy of English football. He's a source of pride, not just for Spurs fans but for the nation/region as well. Regardless of how good or bad he plays, he will always get the support he needs from fans, management, and the league. To sit/bench him on the Spurs over another player or have someone take his place as a #9 would be a slap in the face to English football. Absolute shame. As long as he's in the Premier League, he will never have true competition for his spot on the Spurs, even if he were injured and on one leg.

Most will disagree and make disparaging remarks but just pointing something out that I think needs to be said.
See I agree with you there but the Kane part I'm sorry race has nothing to do with him starting, and quite frankly half of the spurs fans including myself was happy with him starting he is a proven golden scorer I know Lucas was in form but the way Liverpool parked the bus after the penalty in my opinion Lucas wouldnt have made much difference .
 
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You're entitled to your opinion and I definitely anticipated the reaction that I got from that single post - full of rage and hate. It was expected yet I'm going to point out what I see as unjust.

Answer me this, should Kane have played in last year's CL final? Putting clearly unfit Kane for a full 90 in at the expense of someone like Lucas who was fit and got the team there in the first place was absolutely shocking. I can't think of another explanation for that decision other than the explanation I gave in the post that got so much hate. Yes, I believe race/ethnicity/nationality does play a role here - you can agree or disagree.

Going off topic, I'm glad Harry looked better this past weekend. I'm hoping he continues to get better and helps the team quality for next seasons CL but would also like to see him have to fight for his spot in the line-up like everyone else on the squad.
Oh, come on. If there was favouritism involved, it came from the fact that Poch and Kane were friends, and that Kane was clearly one of Poch's favourite players (if not his outright favourite). Reminder: in Poch's first season, the emergence of Kane pretty much saved the former's job at Spurs. He has said as much himself.

Why? Why must you look for racism in every interaction? Instead of "never attribute to malice...", there should be a rule of "never attribute to racism...". In this case, there are a dozen highly plausible explanations for the CL final. And all of them are more believable than yours.

Kane wasn't even the majority of the reason we lost that match anyway tbh. Everyone was fucking awful. It was like watching 11 men all suffer 90-minute panic attacks simultaneously. Lucas wasn't great when he came on either. And he's since then proved pretty conclusively why Kane has always been above him in the pecking order for striker. I'm not even willing to say that Poch made the wrong decision by playing Kane based on the information available to him at the time.

ETA: Another thing almost nobody seems to bring up is that Kane and Lucas weren't/aren't even in direct competition. If Lucas had started, he would've taken someone else's spot, not Kane's, as evidenced by the fact that he didn't replace Kane when he came on. Lucas was never in serious contention for the starting solo 9 berth. He's a scratch option in that position. People paint the CL final as this dichotomy between Kane and Lucas but that's not accurate on its face.
 
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🤡 Merson on Kane: "I don't see him getting 25-30 goals a season the way Jose will want to play"

⚽ Kane has scored 8 goals in 12 games under Jose

📅 Spurs average 55 games per season (past 3 seasons)

🤫 Kane is expected to score 37 goals per season under Mourinho

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Kane started the final and I back the decision (Deyonte Wilder voice) TO THIS DAY because he is world class. His reputation and prescience is huge for us.

That people are still fussing over the decision to start him sums up everything I hate about football analysis.
Kane had nothing to do with us conceding that penalty that gave Liverpool a leg up and they were able to get into a shape with their elite FBs, CB, DM and GK and use their elite inside forwards for quick counters when needed.

Roberto Firmino was similarly rushed back by Klopp and he had an even worse game than Kane did, and got hauled off before the hour mark; nobody talks about it because all analysis is results based which is stupid.
 
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Airfixx

Eroding the true defnition of glory since 1976...
Kane started the final and I back the decision (Deyonte Wilder voice) TO THIS DAY because he is world class. His reputation and prescience is huge for us.

That people are still fussing over the decision to start him sums up everything I hate about football analysis.
Kane had nothing to do with us conceding that penalty that gave Liverpool a leg up and they were able to get into a shape with their elite FBs, CB, DM and GK and use their elite inside forwards for quick counters when needed.

Roberto Firmino was similarly rushed back by Klopp and he had an even worse game than Kane did, and got hauled off before the hour mark; nobody talks about it because all analysis is results based which is stupid.
It's all a big red-herring anyway....

Twisted Son fan-boy troll spouting shit about racial conspiracy though fear of their boy being put in the shade.


Like our resident Dipper, the cunt should be in the bin by now, but because it falls outside of the inter-forum quasi-political turf-war it slides.
 
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MVP

🌽🥝🥑🥥🍊
I didn't know it was kicking off in here, I wish I had gotten a notification or something. I've had a good old chuckle at a few of these posts I must say.

Respect your opinion and others' opinion here. If you don't agree with the example I gave then that's fine... but to think that the football and/or the Premier League does not have a race and/or discrimination issue is absurd. Just ask yourself this... how many managers of color are there? How many colored team captains are there? I'll give you the answer - 0/0 and 3/20 respectively. I could go on giving shocking statistics that really highlight the disparity.

Kane is a huge beneficiary of being the de facto poster boy of English football. He's a source of pride, not just for Spurs fans but for the nation/region as well. Regardless of how good or bad he plays, he will always get the support he needs from fans, management, and the league. To sit/bench him on the Spurs over another player or have someone take his place as a #9 would be a slap in the face to English football. Absolute shame. As long as he's in the Premier League, he will never have true competition for his spot on the Spurs, even if he were injured and on one leg.

Most will disagree and make disparaging remarks but just pointing something out that I think needs to be said.
Coloured is an outdated term.
You're entitled to your opinion and I definitely anticipated the reaction that I got from that single post - full of rage and hate. It was expected yet I'm going to point out what I see as unjust.

Answer me this, should Kane have played in last year's CL final? Putting clearly unfit Kane for a full 90 in at the expense of someone like Lucas who was fit and got the team there in the first place was absolutely shocking. I can't think of another explanation for that decision other than the explanation I gave in the post that got so much hate. Yes, I believe race/ethnicity/nationality does play a role here - you can agree or disagree.

Going off topic, I'm glad Harry looked better this past weekend. I'm hoping he continues to get better and helps the team quality for next seasons CL but would also like to see him have to fight for his spot in the line-up like everyone else on the squad.
So Poch was a racist? How come he persisted with Aurier? :levylol:
 
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Respect your opinion and others' opinion here. If you don't agree with the example I gave then that's fine... but to think that the football and/or the Premier League does not have a race and/or discrimination issue is absurd. Just ask yourself this... how many managers of color are there? How many colored team captains are there? I'll give you the answer - 0/0 and 3/20 respectively. I could go on giving shocking statistics that really highlight the disparity.

Kane is a huge beneficiary of being the de facto poster boy of English football. He's a source of pride, not just for Spurs fans but for the nation/region as well. Regardless of how good or bad he plays, he will always get the support he needs from fans, management, and the league. To sit/bench him on the Spurs over another player or have someone take his place as a #9 would be a slap in the face to English football. Absolute shame. As long as he's in the Premier League, he will never have true competition for his spot on the Spurs, even if he were injured and on one leg.

Most will disagree and make disparaging remarks but just pointing something out that I think needs to be said.
Ah, the old Motte and Bailey tactic for arguing. I see you have descending into using that now.

Edit: To save you a google search:

Motte and bailey (MAB) is a combination of bait-and-switch and equivocation in which someone switches between a "motte" (an easy-to-defend and often common-sense statement, such as "culture shapes our experiences") and a "bailey" (a hard-to-defend and more controversial statement, such as "cultural knowledge is just as valid as scientific knowledge") in order to defend a viewpoint. Someone will argue the easy-to-defend position (motte) temporarily, to ward off critics, while the less-defensible position (bailey) remains the desired belief, yet is never actually defended.

instead of defending a weak position (the "bailey"), the arguer retreats to a strong position (the "motte"), while acting as though the positions are equivalent. When the motte has been accepted (or found impenetrable) by an opponent, the arguer continues to believe (and perhaps promote) the bailey.




Also, your use of the word "colored" is highly ignorant and offensive. Just go.
 
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todd1882

'Cause I know the power of the question
I see tedious Grauniad blowhard Barry Glendenning has got back on one of his favouritie hobby horses...

How much longer will Harry Kane tolerate a career without trophies?
But realistically he's got to be taking a peek right about now considering all circumstances ie other teams reloading (those above and below), Spurs searching for freebies and loans, new mgr-dour football-covid interrupted training, etc. It does look like we will be in the wilderness for a few years at this point. And those few years will probably contain another managerial switch (using history as a guide) and his playing prime.

And though I say that as someone that feels the club should be looking at possibilities as well I feel the player would be within his rights to be doing the same. He does have to look at which clubs could use (and pay for) his services and when those services would be required. Say ManU bought Haaland this next TW then they would no longer be in the running for a player of Harry's profile and vice versa.
 
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Of course Harry will be considering his position, but this idea that he is as likely to win silverware with Leyton Orient as with us, is just an insult.

Harry’s priority must be getting fully sharp and avoiding injury. If he does that then the goals will flow as they always do and the chances of Tottenham winning trophies and his own prospects of a mega move will increase. Nobody is going to pay the fee we would demand after 3 injury ravaged seasons, so forget about that for now.
 
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