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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

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How did you spin this onto Levy? Crikey.

Even the Levy haters must concede that Levy does what is best for the business, and it’s best for the business to have one of the alleged top-3 or 4 strikers in the world on the team (even if it is to save having to buy other players).
Perhaps because it may not have been in the club's best interest to keep this 'alleged top' striker in this current situation. You make your point in platitudes but in this actual case scenario, and with the benefit (for those that needed it) of the growing body of evidence/hindsight, it may have been "best for the business" to negotiate and get the best price for Kane this past summer...or the summer before when he first asked to go...or the summer before that.

You may not be there yet (i.e. we should have gotten rid of Kane), but you will be and when you get there then where will the responsibility for that decision fall? I would imagine it would be wherever the buck stops at Spurs. :levyeyes:
 
Wonder if he’s missing Poch’s focused fitness training? Doesn’t have anywhere near as much energy, power or physicality. Even last season, despite the goals and assists, he seemed to adapt his game to mitigate the drop off
 
...see Lukaku's HUP for insight/comparison. Kane's HUP was never the best and it only exists now as a function of him dropping into MF...and it's only to feet. Not really something to be classified as a world-class attribute. Not saying you did classify it as such but just pointing out another lacking aspect of his game that is overrated because he scored goals (note the past tense).

Kane should start back on all that scoring out of nothing, sharpish. I'm over here wondering what's been delaying his decision to do just that considering all the shit service. Seems a simple calculus; problem - getting bad service, solution - go back to creating my own goals out of nothing. It's selfish of him not to.

He'll get back to it in a bit, had to take a bit of break after making Benzema look like a fool last year.

I don't think his hold up play is world class but at the same time I am not sure it has ever been an issue either. As good as Lukaku's hold up play may have been yesterday what he did after that left a lot to be desired.
 
Wonder if he’s missing Poch’s focused fitness training? Doesn’t have anywhere near as much energy, power or physicality. Even last season, despite the goals and assists, he seemed to adapt his game to mitigate the drop off

He didn't turn up to train until weeks after he was supposed to, not a surprise that he is miles behind in terms of fitness.

I have no doubt his disappointment over his failed transfer is weighing on him but the man skived off preseason and went on holiday instead. That's the main reason he's playing like a slug right now.
 
He didn't turn up to train until weeks after he was supposed to, not a surprise that he is miles behind in terms of fitness.

I have no doubt his disappointment over his failed transfer is weighing on him but the man skived off preseason and went on holiday instead. That's the main reason he's playing like a slug right now.
If onl y there had been some sort of competition running over the summer that he could have got his sharpness at.
 
He didn't turn up to train until weeks after he was supposed to, not a surprise that he is miles behind in terms of fitness.

I have no doubt his disappointment over his failed transfer is weighing on him but the man skived off preseason and went on holiday instead. That's the main reason he's playing like a slug right now.
True but he looked slower and less mobile under Jose too
 
If onl y there had been some sort of competition running over the summer that he could have got his sharpness at.

The Euro 2020 final was on 11th July, Kane didn't return to full training until over a month later. Whatever sharpness he had vanished thanks to his "misunderstood" holiday.

True but he looked slower and less mobile under Jose too

Did he? He had his best individual season last year under Mourinho. Kane looked sluggish at times because the team around him was mostly shit. He was having to play as a CF, CAM and CB (on set pieces) in most matches because there was so little quality in the team. I don't buy at all that Kane has got worse or aged suddenly. He has got much, much better in the last 18 months. It's just that the team around him has become much, much worse. He has to drop deep to start plays, help defend etc because the others can't do it without his help. If you put 2021 Kane into the 2016 Poch team, he would be even better than he was back then. The mature Kane playing with prime Eriksen would destroy all opponents. The team we have now can barely pass the ball forward, any striker would look sluggish in this team. Add in Kane's non-preseason and this is what you get.
 
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He'll get back to it in a bit, had to take a bit of break after making Benzema look like a fool last year.
That's a long break. The 33yo Benz carried his team to victory yesterday, athletically moving about the pitch setting up the first goal in their comeback with the dish to Vinicius and then 2 minutes later 'heading' home the winner whilst being sandwiched by 2 defenders. Now I know our striker is a little older than Benz but we'd benefit from that mobility.

I don't think his hold up play is world class but at the same time I am not sure it has ever been an issue either.
It's not been an issue because it doesn't exist and therefore we cannot utilize it and thus don't play to it. It is a skill of that particular position that he does not possess. It's always an issue. If we didn't have a striker taht could compete for the first ball we'd never have made it to the CL final. It has always been an issue as it is for any player in a position that lacks one of the fundamental skills.

As good as Lukaku's hold up play may have been yesterday what he did after that left a lot to be desired.
I don't know what you desire beyond a lumbering husk of a striker clogging the most valuable real estate on the pitch. But he set up Werner, Kovacic, and others multiple times in that second half. And was given the freedom of the stadium by our CBs to bring things down and turn. But this isn't about Lukaku, it's about Kane.
 
All of what?

Look, there is only one reason to propagate the idea that we couldn’t have gotten €150M from City for Kane and that is to sell the idea that as the competitive status of the club continues to deteriorate over the next 18 months that there was yet another excuse for it all being inevitable and the club’s leadership being helpless in it, nay, solely responsible for it not being worse!

Anyone but our naked emperor.
I honestly don't understand what point you're arguing.

A lot of sources agree that there was only one formal offer of 75m + add-ons.

You said that we turned down an offer of 150m, and all I've said is that a lot of people agree that this offer never materialized.
 
That's a long break. The 33yo Benz carried his team to victory yesterday, athletically moving about the pitch setting up the first goal in their comeback with the dish to Vinicius and then 2 minutes later 'heading' home the winner whilst being sandwiched by 2 defenders. Now I know our striker is a little older than Benz but we'd benefit from that mobility.

I need someone to look at me the way you watch Benzema.

It's not been an issue because it doesn't exist and therefore we cannot utilize it and thus don't play to it. It is a skill of that particular position that he does not possess. It's always an issue. If we didn't have a striker taht could compete for the first ball we'd never have made it to the CL final. It has always been an issue as it is for any player in a position that lacks one of the fundamental skills.

He doesn't possess hold up skills? Perhaps you have not watched him play before and that is where the confusion comes in.

I don't know what you desire beyond a lumbering husk of a striker clogging the most valuable real estate on the pitch. But he set up Werner, Kovacic, and others multiple times in that second half. And was given the freedom of the stadium by our CBs to bring things down and turn. But this isn't about Lukaku, it's about Kane.

I would like a player not to stumble over the ball and be able to make a simple, like 3 yard pass nothing crazy, pass.
 
All of what?

Look, there is only one reason to propagate the idea that we couldn’t have gotten €150M from City for Kane and that is to sell the idea that as the competitive status of the club continues to deteriorate over the next 18 months that there was yet another excuse for it all being inevitable and the club’s leadership being helpless in it, nay, solely responsible for it not being worse!

Anyone but our naked emperor.

The reason to state that we couldn't have got 150m for Kane is that there is zero reports of City offering that amount.
 
All of what?

Look, there is only one reason to propagate the idea that we couldn’t have gotten €150M from City for Kane and that is to sell the idea that as the competitive status of the club continues to deteriorate over the next 18 months that there was yet another excuse for it all being inevitable and the club’s leadership being helpless in it, nay, solely responsible for it not being worse!

Anyone but our naked emperor.
Do you really think Kane is a 150 million type of player? He moves around like a 40 year old and waits for the ball to magically drop to his feet.

His value is probably somewhere between 75 - 100 million, no where close to 150 million.
 
I need someone to look at me the way you watch Benzema.
Focus your eyes on this and you will look at sweet Karim the same as all others that appreciate proper footballing strikers.

ConfiscatesUncreditedFooting

He doesn't possess hold up skills?
Just restating my point as a question does not rebut my actual point. I stated what he does possess but that is very limited in scope.

I would like a player not to stumble over the ball and be able to make a simple, like 3 yard pass nothing crazy, pass.
So your opinion is changing on Kane then? Fair enough then. I couldn't imagine anyone would look at those 2 strikers playing yesterday and come away thinking Kane would be the one for them. but if there was someone it would have been you. Glad to see you're coming around.
 
Focus your eyes on this and you will look at sweet Karim the same as all others that appreciate proper footballing strikers.

ConfiscatesUncreditedFooting


Just restating my point as a question does not rebut my actual point. I stated what he does possess but that is very limited in scope.


So your opinion is changing on Kane then? Fair enough then. I couldn't imagine anyone would look at those 2 strikers playing yesterday and come away thinking Kane would be the one for them. but if there was someone it would have been you. Glad to see you're coming around.

If I judged both guys on yesterdays game I would want neither.

I restated your point because it was so ridiculous that I assumed you were joking.

Proper footballing strikers????? Bwahahahahaha that is funny.
 
Wonder if he’s missing Poch’s focused fitness training? Doesn’t have anywhere near as much energy, power or physicality. Even last season, despite the goals and assists, he seemed to adapt his game to mitigate the drop off
He’s slowing down

Age and several injuries are catching up
 
If I judged both guys on yesterdays game I would want neither.
Yeah, but you need to have a striker so you have to pick one.
I restated your point because it was so ridiculous that I assumed you were joking.

Proper footballing strikers????? Bwahahahahaha that is funny.
You appeal to ridicule does not rebut my point either. He does not have a hold-up game. It's why he's always looking for a foul in those instances. Sad really, he can't get the ball under control and give it to another player nor can he turn on a defender...so he goes down. It is another deficiency in his game. It's not the most glaring but it's up high on the list.

As this year goes on you are going to come much closer to realizing I was on to something.
 
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