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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

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I have a feeling this is going to be like the Eriksen situation, we didn't sell when we could have cashed in and now he's just jogging around the pitch letting us debate whether he's declined or just given up (I think it's a bit of both).

I always wondered when they were all performing when we'd cash in on Eriksen, Dele, and Kane... Reality has been the worst case scenario and waiting for Kane to turn things around isn't going to help. We need to sell him and get whatever value he has left, because it's going to keep dropping rapidly. Sitting around debating what he did last year doesn't change reality, the same shit went on with Eriksen, and that was painful to watch. I'd love if Kane could turn it around but that's wishful thinking.
 
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Kane's ankles, when they realize they're gonna have to play 360 minutes over the next week.
 
Rewatching some of the games/highlights from 2015-2018 allows you truly understand how much Kane has deteriorated.

Physically, he's lost a step or two. He no longer has that quickness in the box that allowed him to get off shots from the tightest angles/opportunities. He can no longer twist and turn his body consistently enough, to get in those awkward goal scoring positions.

Physical issues aside, what's been missing over the last 2-3 years is his resilience and fervor. He no longer chases loose balls with the same intensity that he once had. He no longer throws his body anywhere near harms way. There was no hesitation in Kane's game. Today, I see a player that's trying, but unconfident and defeated.

We complain now that Kane doesn't receive service. But the old Kane could make his own luck just by being resilient and playing with high intensity. Rewatching some old games refreshed my memory of how Kane could beat out defenders to a speculative/non threatening ball and make something happen out of nothing. We never see this any more.

Yes the service is iffy today, but his game has deteriorated to the point where he needs balls served to him on a silver platter. The Kane we knew 4-6 years ago is long gone. He's a shell of the player we once knew and unfortunately, this has been the reality for a long time.
I just don’t understand why so many fans are lying to themselves and actually calling this Kane a “better more rounded version”

Utter lunacy
 
Yeah because that same system has us unbeaten in 8 league games.
We're talking about a striker...a striker for whom most rate because he has tapped in a lot of goals. To talk about "unbeaten" runs is kinda disingenuous ain't it? If the system stops us leaking goals but nullifies the striker that so many glorify and wanted here no matter the longer term consequences because "he's got goals in him (except when he doesn't have service or whatever reason) then what do we really have? Got to be able to do both and many feel our lack of ability to do both is partly due to Harry's limitations as a player.

With the right additions that could change,
And what additions might that be? Is this the prelude to a "let's do the same stuff but just slightly different"? You know, above all else keep Kane again?
 
75m with some unspecified add-ons.
Which is more than we'll get now which some really insightful folks took pains to point out. Others heckled from the peanut gallery that he'd still be worth so so much next season. But what you leave out was that this was the first offer in what presumably would have been a negotiation process. Also, that our position wasn't as strong as many happy clappers went on about. We had to sell. All rational arguments pointed to selling and we didn't. Now we are getting and will continue to get our just desserts for inaction on Harry and so many other players.
 
I have a feeling this is going to be like the Eriksen situation, we didn't sell when we could have cashed in and now he's just jogging around the pitch letting us debate whether he's declined or just given up (I think it's a bit of both).

I always wondered when they were all performing when we'd cash in on Eriksen, Dele, and Kane... Reality has been the worst case scenario and waiting for Kane to turn things around isn't going to help. We need to sell him and get whatever value he has left, because it's going to keep dropping rapidly. Sitting around debating what he did last year doesn't change reality, the same shit went on with Eriksen, and that was painful to watch. I'd love if Kane could turn it around but that's wishful thinking.

Don't think any top club will come for him now unless he goes on a scoring spree until the end of the season. They will all be trying to get haaland and vlahovic.
 
Oh fuck me. If we had sold Kane for 100m every single one of you cunts would have gone mental and you all fucking know it.

Those that are angry are looking at Kanes form now and seeing a better deal. The fucker just hd one of his best seasons. You'd have gone mental.
This nonsense drives me crazy. This is bullshit. I've been on the fucking sell Harry Kane/strikers are worthless train for fucking decades (since I was a fucking player and realized striker are overrated and shit football in the main) and the whole time I've been on this board. It may make you feel better that you were on the wrong side of this debate but that doesn't mean that others weren't on the right side of it at the right fucking time.

I would have fucking rejoiced if we sold him 2 years ago...at the very least. So take the fuckng "L" because you were wrong and learn from it. But don't be dismissive of others to make yourself feel better. By the end of the summer there were many that would have been happy if he moved on because they understood. But now we suffer the lumbering.
 
We're talking about a striker...a striker for whom most rate because he has tapped in a lot of goals. To talk about "unbeaten" runs is kinda disingenuous ain't it? If the system stops us leaking goals but nullifies the striker that so many glorify and wanted here no matter the longer term consequences because "he's got goals in him (except when he doesn't have service or whatever reason) then what do we really have? Got to be able to do both and many feel our lack of ability to do both is partly due to Harry's limitations as a player.


And what additions might that be? Is this the prelude to a "let's do the same stuff but just slightly different"? You know, above all else keep Kane again?

Well, that's up to the manager. He's got a pretty good record so I'll trust his judgement on this matter. If he feels Harry is holding us back I'm sure he'll do something about it. So far from what he's said and done, I can only deduce he doesn't agree, and he knows his own system/what it requires far better than anybody on here.

Whatever additions Conte wants to make the team work. Again, if that includes selling Kane then so be it, we hired him, we gave him 15 million a year, so its time to put faith in his methods. So far the system is working in many regards, but doesn't have our attack flying. It's up to Conte whether that's down to supply or the individuals in attack. I lean towards the former, but who knows, I may be wrong.
 
Well, that's up to the manager. He's got a pretty good record so I'll trust his judgement on this matter. If he feels Harry is holding us back I'm sure he'll do something about it. So far from what he's said and done, I can only deduce he doesn't agree, and he knows his own system/what it requires far better than anybody on here.

Whatever additions Conte wants to make the team work. Again, if that includes selling Kane then so be it, we hired him, we gave him 15 million a year, so its time to put faith in his methods. So far the system is working in many regards, but doesn't have our attack flying. It's up to Conte whether that's down to supply or the individuals in attack. I lean towards the former, but who knows, I may be wrong.
The loss of Sissoko and Aurier is the reason why Kane is struggling.

If he had those two like he had last season, he'd be competing for the golden boot.
 
The loss of Sissoko and Aurier is the reason why Kane is struggling.

If he had those two like he had last season, he'd be competing for the golden boot.

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There's loads of reasons why Kane may have struggled this season. Psychologically he seemed set on the move so perhaps has struggled to motivate himself for Spurs, and his fears about the club were confirmed by the Nuno appointment. After that we hired Conte and of late he's started scoring a few but still having the odd bad performance, which is in line with what Son is doing recently too. Neither are thriving, neither are getting many chances to score.

Why is Bruno Fernandes having a hard time scoring when last season he was banging them in? It's the same squad with some players added. Is he on a long term decline? Or is he just having an off season while the whole club struggle? Probably that. I'm open to selling Kane if Conte views him as unnecessary to his plans and believes he's past his peak, but I'm not interested in anybody else's opinion on the matter. He makes the call.
 
Scoring 9 penalties last season and not being the penalty taker now probably has something to do with it

He is still the penalty taker, as far as I know. He missed one vs Villa IIRC.

But he was still both scoring & assisting from open play at a higher rate last season, and having a much better season all round. He's struggled in a season where the club has struggled with 2 different managers, alongside a few players there.

I'm not saying it's the same for Kane. You might be right and he's done and shit now. And if that's the case then Conte will 100% recognise it and will move the player on. Personally I prefer to be optimistic and have seen reasons for that in the past month, but I understand why others take a different view.
 
He is still the penalty taker, as far as I know. He missed one vs Villa IIRC.

But he was still both scoring & assisting from open play at a higher rate last season, and having a much better season all round. He's struggled in a season where the club has struggled with 2 different managers, alongside a few players there.

I'm not saying it's the same for Kane. You might be right and he's done and shit now. And if that's the case then Conte will 100% recognise it and will move the player on. Personally I prefer to be optimistic and have seen reasons for that in the past month, but I understand why others take a different view.
Bruno had 9 open play goals in 37 apps last season

This season he has 4 open play goals in 18 apps this season

So he's on track to do what he did last season from a goal scoring perspective in open play
 
Bruno had 9 open play goals in 37 apps last season

This season he has 4 open play goals in 18 apps this season

So he's on track to do what he did last season from a goal scoring perspective in open play

Not on current form he's not. He's been dropped. He scored a hat-trick on opening day and hasn't done anything since. His all round performances have dropped off a cliff, and assist wise he's not even close to where he was. Not to mention he has missed his chance from the spot, which wasn't happening at all last season.
 
So far from what he's said and done, I can only deduce he doesn't agree, and he knows his own system/what it requires far better than anybody on here.
He does but that doesn't mean he knew the full extent of some of our players shitness. EVerytime he speaks it shows how surprised he's been.
So far the system is working in many regards,
Many? Please! We still look shit with nothing to hang your hat on to suggest it will get better.
I lean towards the former, but who knows, I may be wrong.
You are.
After that we hired Conte and of late he's started scoring a few but still having the odd bad performance, which is in line with what Son is doing recently too. Neither are thriving, neither are getting many chances to score.
This is fucking nonsense. What's a few over there? Over here it's at least 3. How many league goals has Harry scored? And you say the "odd bad performance". C'mon man! Name me a good performance? You know, one to justify the foolish figures places on his head and the mindless slurping of the player in this thread. I'll wait...
Why is Bruno Fernandes having a hard time scoring when last season he was banging them in?
Because he's a shit all around footballing pot shot artist with very little else to support his profile. He is the Portuguese Dele but with a shot. Nothing player...and I've been saying that for year...since I watched him his last 2 years at Sporting hoping we didn't sign this garbage player. Can you imagine Dele and Bruno here? Jeez!
Or is he just having an off season while the whole club struggle? Probably that.
No. Taht player struggle even the season he scored all those pens...but as per you were starstruck by the goals just like with Harry. Ignore the goals RD...unless you can attribute them to a player's singular genius...which you rarely can.
but I'm not interested in anybody else's opinion on the matter.
Interesting thing to say on an opinion board in a thread where opinions are being shared about a player. But you do you RD. I got your back.
Yes he does but that doesn't absolve him from criticism.
 
Not on current form he's not. He's been dropped. He scored a hat-trick on opening day and hasn't done anything since. His all round performances have dropped off a cliff, and assist wise he's not even close to where he was. Not to mention he has missed his chance from the spot, which wasn't happening at all last season.
Oh so now headline goals numbers don't matter? How convenient.

All I've been hearing is how Kane won the Golden Boot last season despite being mediocre for most of the season.
 
Bruno had 9 open play goals in 37 apps last season

This season he has 4 open play goals in 18 apps this season

So he's on track to do what he did last season from a goal scoring perspective in open play
So what you are saying is that folks got suckered by the shiny objects again? My god will it ever end? How do supposed long time watchers of the football still get suckered by something so rudimentary?
 
He does but that doesn't mean he knew the full extent of some of our players shitness. EVerytime he speaks it shows how surprised he's been.

Many? Please! We still look shit with nothing to hang your hat on to suggest it will get better.

You are.

This is fucking nonsense. What's a few over there? Over here it's at least 3. How many league goals has Harry scored? And you say the "odd bad performance". C'mon man! Name me a good performance? You know, one to justify the foolish figures places on his head and the mindless slurping of the player in this thread. I'll wait...

Because he's a shit all around footballing pot shot artist with very little else to support his profile. He is the Portuguese Dele but with a shot. Nothing player...and I've been saying that for year...since I watched him his last 2 years at Sporting hoping we didn't sign this garbage player. Can you imagine Dele and Bruno here? Jeez!

No. Taht player struggle even the season he scored all those pens...but as per you were starstruck by the goals just like with Harry. Ignore the goals RD...unless you can attribute them to a player's singular genius...which you rarely can.

Interesting thing to say on an opinion board in a thread where opinions are being shared about a player. But you do you RD. I got your back.

Yes he does but that doesn't absolve him from criticism.

He's been nothing but complimentary about Kane, though.

Unbeaten. One win from top 4. Massive rise in distance covered, xG, defensive stats have also improved. We've advanced across the board under Conte aside from two poor cup results. These are just facts, the improvement is there in black and white.

Maybe. I think you are, so time will tell.

He scored against Palace, Southampton and Liverpool, all were recent games. We all know he was shit under Nuno but there's been an obvious upturn lately. As for a good performance, pretty much every game which was recent aside from Chelsea.

Last season his chance creation stats were excellent, so not just a pot shot merchant, he is an excellent passer of the ball.

Fernandes was great for United last season. Not just goals, his work-rate was phenomenal, he created chances on a regular basis, and some of his goals were of a unique quality. He was a driving force for them. Yes he's a final third midfielder, but he's a fucking good one.

I don't mean I'm not interested in hearing your opinion, but in terms of changing my own perspective, I look to what Conte decides with the player. He's in the best position (more than any of us) and if he doesn't already know whether Kane is done, he will soon.
 
Oh so now headline goals numbers don't matter? How convenient.

All I've been hearing is how Kane won the Golden Boot last season despite being mediocre for most of the season.

His headline goal/assist contributions will be significantly worse at the end of this season to what they were last.

Kane wasn't mediocre for most of last season.
 
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