France won a World Cup under his captaincy so...
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Ex-Spurs Player Hugo Lloris
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France won a World Cup under his captaincy so...
I didn't forgive him, he's obviously a cunt because of what he did.
The original argument was about how you think that how he cannot be a legend of the club due to his off the field antics and that my man saying what he did compared to rape, I'm just arguing against that...talk about being over dramatic lol
That cream worked then?
So we agree that he’s a cunt then!
Cunts can’t be legends imv whether they rape or drive while drunk!
I’m out on this now so feel free to have the last word!!
So we agree that he’s a cunt then!
Cunts can’t be legends imv whether they rape or drive while drunk!
I’m out on this now so feel free to have the last word!!
That's was never up for debate though
Gazza and VdV beat up their Mrs, Ledley went on a racist rant at a bouncer outside a nightclub, I don't see anyone have the same energy for them when it comes to judging whether they're legends of this club or not.
And they shouldn't hence why discussing this thing about drink driving and using that to form an opinion in regards to what they do on the pitch is dumb.
Comparing drink driving to rape is ridiculous.
That’s like comparing someone randomly firing a gun in the air to someone intentionally shooting someone in the head. One is doing something selfish and stupid that CAN cause serious injury/death to someone. The other is doing something on purpose knowing it WILL cause injury/death to someone.
One is way worse than the other.
Both are wrong obviously.
That’s like comparing someone randomly firing a gun in the air to someone intentionally shooting someone in the head. One is doing something selfish and stupid that CAN cause serious injury/death to someone. The other is doing something on purpose knowing it WILL cause injury/death to someone.
One is way worse than the other.
Both are wrong obviously.
So ANY player found guilty of committing either isn’t worthy of ‘legend’ status which he wasn’t worthy of anyway imv
It's the right decision to part ways, but it's also patently obvious that the swiftness and certitude of it is because putting the armband on Kane is a big part of the club's strategy there.
My initial point was in response to Shady when he said that what footballers do in their private lives shouldn't impact their legend status for the club and my response was:
"So if a footballer rapes a woman off the pitch in his private life should we still only judge him based on his on field antics?
Drink driving ruins innocent peoples lives, just like rape."
Which he then started saying was me essentially arguing in bad faith and was a false equivalence.
My response was that both can cause life long trauma for innocent victims.
That was quite literally my initial argument.
There are far more acts of rape committed than there are accidents caused by drink driving, that is undeniably true, so you could argue that in this regard the two aren't comparable; yet the statistics show that there are far more deaths caused by drink driving than rape, despite a much lower incident rate of drink driving.
My argument is that both cause trauma for innocent people and that either crime should be enough to have a players "legend" status revoked in the eyes of a logical person.
People can argue until they are blue in the face about how nobody gets into a car drunk with the intention to kill someone.
My argument is that unless you are a complete moron with an IQ which prevents rudimentary thought, you KNOW that getting into a car drunk COULD possibly take an innocent life and you CHOOSE to ignore that.
Nobody has ever won the argument in court that they were so intoxicated that they weren't aware they could harm or kill someone..
At the very least, drink driving shows extreme indifference to human life in the same way that rape does and can cause (and does in the case of fatalities caused) just as much trauma to innocent people.
I think it's pretty easy to understand that, unless you want to argue that intent is the only defining factor in what constitutes as a crime fitting enough to remove legendary status from a footballer.
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When Hugo came to this club he made such a difference. Solid keeper for years and years. I used to love how he would play sweeper keeper under Poch. So many amazing saves. I hope he gets the move he wants.
Yes drunk driving is stupid and can hurt or end someones life sure, but to rape someone is cruel and done with evil intentions. how is that even comparable is beyond me.
I do not care what the rassclaat you want to say there is no way in hell drunk driving and rape should be discussed or written in the same fucking sentence. Are you serious bro ..... like really.... take yourself out of your country for sec or europe for that matter and think about Africa and South America ,parts of Asia and think about tribal war in africa, alone shuts that drunk driving kills more people per year..... and how much of these deaths are actually reported.
You must lack reading comprehension; I never once said that drink driving and rape were the same 1 to 1, so either read what I said again or stop trying to twist my words and make me look unsympathetic to rape victims.
Now here it is for you again, slow so you understand it...
Rape and drink driving can both cause innocent victims to have long term trauma, yes, rape is with intent, drink driving is commited with lack of empathy for human life as you know what the consequences for it can be, including death and injury to innocent people, both crimes should be enough to have a footballers legend status removed.
People seem to allow their bias and favouritism for the player wash away the fact that he committed a crime that could have cost someone their life.
Honestly the attitude towards drink driving on here and the hand waving towards it like it's a trivial thing and the entire argument of separating the personal life of the player from the crime they committed is disgusting.
I hope nobody these people love dies to a drink driver, I have a feeling their attitude would change.
Even when you take into consideration the underreported deaths with rape (which there are MANY) because rape is one of the most underreported least convicted crimes of all with only a 2% conviction rate and no guarantee of sentencing even after conviction; when you look at it from a statistical point of view, far more people are raped per year compared to drink driving incidents, it isn't even close!
Yet, death of innocents by drink driving accounts for over 12% of all drink driving incidents, that's from an average of far less drink driving incidents, compared to 60000+ reported rapes committed per year in this country alone.
Now, which crime is worse? Well obviously rape is, it doesn't take a genius to understand that, it also doesn't take a genius to understand that rape is evil and done with malicious intent but that DOESN'T remove the FACT that BOTH cause long term trauma for innocent victims, it isn't even a debatable point and to argue against that is pure stupidity and to reframe my argument and claim I am comparing the two directly is also, stupid.
I am simply showing that both crimes cause long term trauma for victims, that's it!
Murder and rape we can also compare those two crimes in regards to the trauma they cause for victims and their families, can we not? Yet Murder is guaranteed to end someone's life.
People saying I am making a 1 to 1 comparison are reframing my argument to something it wasn't in the first place, (which was done purposefully might I add so they could argue the point of defense for a football player) I am genuinely done with explaining myself on this to people who can't seem to understand this.
Now like I said, TLDR: I am NOT directly comparing rape and drink driving.
I am not responding to comments like this anymore.
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Ajax away, Lucas' winner. Lloris sprints to the masses by the corner flag. He gets to the halfway line and, whilst still in full flow, bends over a prostrate Ajax player and clearly says something (or he could have gobbed at the chap but I don't think that happened).
Does anyone know what?
Does anyone know what?
Reliving that moment on another shit rainy day is a small chink of warmth and light in and amongst the gloom. Thank you!
Glad to help and I like your glass-half-full thinking. Personally, it's depressed me seeing where we were not that long ago...
I don’t think he is part of the first team anymore, he is certainly not considered for selection.
Probably training on his own while he sorts out a move.