If Reguilón signs, a move to 3-5-2 is best option

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433.

Lloris
Doherty - Alderweireld - Sanchez - Reguilon
Lo Celso - Hojbjerg - Ndombele
Bale - Kane - Son​

Not only does that get our best and most talented players on the pitch at the same time, you play a formation that Mourinho is known for.
 
To Dare Is To Do. said:
If Reguilón doesn't sign, I request the admin to delete this thread. Otherwise, here goes:

Towards the end of last season, we had some success with the 4-4-2 formation, especially against Woolwich and Leicester. In my opinion if we sign Reguilón, a 3-5-2 will be an overpowered version of that 4-4-2.

1. It will allow Doherty and Reguilon freedom to both attack. This attack from wing back will also possess great versatility and variety, as Reguilón is a good crosser of the ball and can deliver assists, while Doherty can time runs into the box and score goals. Doherty is RWB proven from Wolves.

2. If Son and Kane did okay in a 4-4-2 with Sissoko and Lucas as the wingers, they will do even better with the supply from this 3-5-2. As well as wing backs, supply from GIO LO CELSO will be key. As the most advanced CM in the 3-5-2 he would be given a licence to play in a more creative role, turning his promising displays from last season into ones that contribute goals and assists.

3. If Bale comes, some may be keen on having 3 up front. However, given the injury record of Kane and Bale, and the packed schedule we face, I think a more realistic option is rotating 2 out of those 3 for most games.

Lloris
Tanganga Dier Sanchez
Doherty Ndombele Hojbjerg Reguilón
GLC
Son Kane
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I was almost about to post the same thing; word for word :)

However, where are you going to play Deeney?
 
To Dare Is To Do.

To Dare Is To Do.

If Reguilón doesn't sign, I request the admin to delete this thread. Otherwise, here goes:

Towards the end of last season, we had some success with the 4-4-2 formation, especially against Woolwich and Leicester. In my opinion if we sign Reguilón, a 3-5-2 will be an overpowered version of that 4-4-2.

1. It will allow Doherty and Reguilon freedom to both attack. This attack from wing back will also possess great versatility and variety, as Reguilón is a good crosser of the ball and can deliver assists, while Doherty can time runs into the box and score goals. Doherty is RWB proven from Wolves.

2. If Son and Kane did okay in a 4-4-2 with Sissoko and Lucas as the wingers, they will do even better with the supply from this 3-5-2. As well as wing backs, supply from GIO LO CELSO will be key. As the most advanced CM in the 3-5-2 he would be given a licence to play in a more creative role, turning his promising displays from last season into ones that contribute goals and assists.

3. If Bale comes, some may be keen on having 3 up front. However, given the injury record of Kane and Bale, and the packed schedule we face, I think a more realistic option is rotating 2 out of those 3 for most games.

Lloris
Tanganga Dier Sanchez
Doherty Ndombele Hojbjerg Reguilón
GLC
Son Kane
 
To Dare Is To Do. said:
Am bumping this thread, because after our recent performances I think the argument to move to 3 at the back is even stronger.

Reguilon has been fantastic offensively, but had a few iffy moments defensively. LWB would suit him perfectly.
Doherty is a RWB who has struggled a bit at RB. Aurier would also do better there.

Within a game, we can switch between having a 3-4-3 (Bale Kane Son, front 3) and 3-5-2 (with Kane slightly deeper at CAM, Bale Son up top).
I think the 3-5-2 may suit Bale better. He has lost some of his explosiveness, but sharp finishing may make him an effective striker.

One concern would be this formation means it's impossible to have Lo Celso and Ndombele both starting. However, it appears Jose has already concluded this. (Either because of fitness concerns so he wants them to rotate, or because he thinks more defensive protection is needed).
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Disagree with this, while it’s a nice option to have I don’t think it should be our primary formation.

In playing a 3 at the back, you’re trying to optimize and emphasize Doherty and Reguilon at the expense of having Bale, Kane, Son up front and Hojbjerg, Ndombele, Lo Celso in the midfield.

For me, it’s crucial when they reach fitness to have those six on the pitch together and I’m willing as a tradeoff to accept some risk in Doherty and Reguilon not being amazing defensive fullbacks.
 
JDK said:
Disagree with this, while it’s a nice option to have I don’t think it should be our primary formation.

In playing a 3 at the back, you’re trying to optimize and emphasize Doherty and Reguilon at the expense of having Bale, Kane, Son up front and Hojbjerg, Ndombele, Lo Celso in the midfield.

For me, it’s crucial when they reach fitness to have those six on the pitch together and I’m willing as a tradeoff to accept some risk in Doherty and Reguilon not being amazing defensive fullbacks.
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Further to your comments:

- We don't have great individual quality at CB, so why field more of them than we need to.
- WH game aside, we're far from leaking goals
- We could actually do with asserting a degree of control over the midfield (as we have done for the last 18months+)... This will in turn protect the back 4.
 
Tomo said:
We need a proper DM with a decent passing range. We have two quality full backs, decent attacking players and in Lo Celso and Ndombele in theory a good attacking midfield.

We don’t have anyone at the base I rather sort that out that CB. We have a good number of CB’s although we could do better but we don’t have a Allen, Fabinho type player. PEH is more a Henderson and Winks is an 8 really.
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Carrick would be worth his weight in gold today.
 
prinmemo said:
Why do we need a sitting DM? Can’t we just have a “DM” that is a specialist at breaking up plays before the opposition gets to our final third?
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I think the idea is that if PEH is further up the pitch than guys like Ndombele and GLC then it is harder for them to make the risky plays they need to to get the offense going because if they lose the ball it puts our back 4 under a lot of pressure.

Having a more classic DM that can play behind them and clean up those mistakes and move into the areas they vacate if they are going on a run up the field opens them up to be able to play a lot more of an attacking style.

The last thing we need is Ndombele and GLC turning into Winks and back passing because they are worried Jose will pull them if they make an errant pass.
 
I like a 343 for the group. A little more responsibility for the wingbacks to help out the midfielders, but I just cannot pass up a front three with Kane, Bale, and Son.
 
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That team would defest 3/4s of the Premier League before a ball was even kicked.
 
bus-conductor said:
You are right, Hojbjerg isn't a DM, but at least it (433) makes Hojbjerg's remit far more conducive to his very limited skill set.
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Happy to concede I was wrong about us signing a DM, not so happy to see Jose not using him as one though.

What is the point?
Two players in Dier and Hojbjerg who can play effectively as DMs and we keep allowing teams to waltz through us with this hybrid pivot nonsense.

Just chop someone in half sometimes ffs
 
To Dare Is To Do. said:
The first one I think could work. I personally think having a creative player like GLC given licence to attack, which he can do in a 3-5-2, but can't do in a 3-4-3, is more important than starting our front 3 all at once. There's not much point in having a great attack if they don't get supply.
As for your second modified option. Bale and Reguilon as wingers in a 442? That is, if you pardon the pun, a bit left field.
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The first would defend as a back 5 with 2 Infront then the counter with Celso & the fullbacks ready to break with Bale Kane & Son waiting is deadly

The second was an example of how we could defend, could also be this;

Lloris
Tanganga Toby Dier Reguilon
Doherty Hojbjerg Celso Son
Bale Kane

It just shows that starting formations don't mean anything, when we attack we would use a 343 and defend in a 442 or 523 depending on the opposition
 
Igula said:
I have my questions about whether it will work as well I was just trying to get our best 11 players on the field in our starting 11. To be honest as much as I like getting Bale back I think he makes the formation difficult. Having Bergwijn on the bench and playing a weaker play at CM seems to be a waste of talent/value. Also, puts a lot of pressure on Ndombele to be good otherwise it is PEH and Winks/Sissoko in that midfield, ugh.

The 3 at the back seems to be done to accomodate Doherty. Reguilon has played as a proper LB his whole career so even though he is better going forward than defending he has zero issue playing as a FB.

Maybe we could move Ndombele and some others to get a better CM and CB for that formation to help make it work.



The reason I wouldn't try it is that Toby is by far our best CB. I don't see the reason to play Dier in there who is much worse and doesn't add any speed, takes away from moving the ball and is terrible when it comes to defensive positioning so would be a poor choice to have setting up the defense. If we are playing Japhet and Sanchez I think we want Toby there to help them out in terms of sliding over when they make a mistake and helping them with their positioning and spotting danger. With Dier he is likely the one out of position himself meaning that the younger two guys now have to constantly be watching out for him and making up for his errors.
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Fair points all round. I think Toby in the middle of Sanchez and Tanganga could work too. I think the latter 2 will do better with 3 ATB, but hard to predict how it can influence performance. I remember Conte turning Luiz into a solid defender for a season.

As for your first point, I think we're in agreement that getting the best 11 players playing in the starting XI may be difficult. In reality, given our injury record and packed fixtures, I suspect this some rotation, forced or voluntary, will be needed anyway.
I share your thoughts on hoping Ndombele succeeds, as PEH and Winks doesn't fill me with confidence either. However if they're at least solid, and the rest of the team are firing, it could work together.
 
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------------------ Sanchez
Doherty-----------------------------Reguilon
-----Son GLC Ndombele Dele Bale
-----------------Kane Cavani


I know what your all thinking, but it would be nice to see what Dele can do in an attacking lineup! :tobyarm:
 
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