Is Poch a victim of his own success?

[scott]

As far as the league is concerned he’s had to contend with ‘home’ games at Wembley, several injuries to key players, and the additional issues that come with managing to lead us into the last 4 of the CL. Despite all of that we’re still a single victory away from guaranteed CL football, and could even qualify without earning another point.

I think he can take us further.

He can take us further if we back him more. We need to hold on to him even if we finish 5th or 6th. I think qualifying without a single point is very wishful thinking! United will get 6 more pts so that's them above us. Then have to hope Chelsea don't win 1 of there last 2 games & Woolwich mess up in there last game.
Anyway, back to the thread... I agree, poch can take us further & why even risk bringing a new man in.

 

[MVP]

I have nothing but admiration for Poch and how far we have come under his stewardship but why continue to be nearly men when you can go off to a club like Juventus or PSG and guarantee yourself domestic titles.

Poch's profile is so big when does he sacrifice for personal gains?

I think there is much more satisfaction in winning things with us than Juventus or PSG, that's one reason why he stays for now but I do sense him getting frustrated with the transfer restrictions. I'm not expecting things to change this summer, I suspect deep down Poch knows this too, which is why again he's putting the pressure on.

 

[SausageVince]

After admirably hanging in there with 9 players against Bournemouth until the dying minutes and handing initiative to the chasing pack in Chelsea, Woolwich and Man utd have we gone as far as we can with Poch?

Has he taken Spurs as far as he can? (Working with the constraints he has done in the past 5 seasons and getting above expectations year after year whilst showing considerable loyalty in the process is it harsh to think about a Tottenham without Poch at the helm?)

The guy has literally moved mountains and worked miracles to get the side where it is today and he should be commended for an excellent job well done in every aspect but if ever there was a time for him and his players and staff to deliver the goods it is now.......and this moment!!!

We need to finish top 4 and be champions league finalists and these are very achievable goals to dare Is to do!!!

And now we need to DO it more then ever.

as a club Tottenham have always done things the hard way and when it pays off the results are fantastic i just feel 1 of the above targets will not be realised before the end of this season with Poch at the helm he and his team have gone missing far too often when it really matters like it does right now.

As other fans have posted he doesn't utilise what he has effectively enough at key moments perfect example is Kyle Walker Peters.
Given the fact its been a very busy and long couple of years for Kieran Trippier and how jaded he is looking i as many other fans would've thought KWP would've had more game time upto now!

It'll be an interesting summer too because the age old question of who will come to Tottenham to warm the bench for Kane when he is fit and i believe we already have him on our books.

I cant believe Poch hasn't ever given Lamela an extended run up top he would be the perfect strike partner for Kane,Llorente ,Sonny and Moura

Interesting what if any business is done in the summer I'm very much of the same opinion as Poch in thinking buying players just because you can just doesn't work.

With the new stadium completed and 5 years of laying double deep foundations domestically at home and abroad looking very solid under Poch will we ever get another opportunity to attract the calibre of key players to form our entire squad as we do right now?

We have cracking full backs in Rosé,Trippier but where is our lightning pace on the wing ATT mid LEFT AND RIGHT.
True enough we have Moura but beyond that we have no one other than N'Koudou who can offer that outlet like Sterling/Sane do for City or Salah/Mane do for Liverpool .

We need to think about bringing in somebody like Sane/ Memphis Depay to maximise the speed of the teams attacks/ counter attacks.

If Poch departs this summer be happy to consider Rafa Benitez or Nuno Espírito Santo as coaches to come in and take over the baton building with Poch's foundations he has laid.

Think I made it to the end of the second paragraph of your post. Does it become interesting later?

 

[scott]

Good point.

90% confident if Poch goes, our key players will follow.

Then again, our key players have all got the same treatment this season that Poch is getting now.

"Eriksen should be sold"
"Dele is not good enough"
"We're better without Kane"

etc. etc. etc.

So maybe fans do know best

I reckon we have taken the Jan & Toby partnership for granted too. 1 of my favourite CB partnerships we had.

 

[scott]

You wouldn’t have wanted Aubameyang or Lacazette?

Obviously not now as they’ve been tainted. But before that point they were red hot.

Janssen & llorente for me.

 

[John Thomas]

Pochettino stated that the objective set by Levy was for us to be playing Champions League football in the new stadium.

So yeah. Poch over-performed and set the bar high by qualifying and having decent runs earlier than expected.

The problem now is that Woolwich, United, Liverpool, City and Chelsea, our rivals for the Top 4 have all strengthened their squads significantly over the past few years, where as we haven’t. If anything, we’ve gone the other way - particularly with Dembele leaving.

There’s a reason why it’s a big deal that Chelsea are receiving a two window ban on signing players. Because it’s a strong punishment. Levy, despite all the great things he has done for Tottenham decided to self-impose a two window ban on us. No fucking wonder we’re struggling!

I get as wound up as anyone when I hear us described as Spursy/soft/bottlers. But there’s no smoke without fire! This has been the case for years. Why? Our recruitment strategy.

We lack squad depth first and foremost. Our squad is jammed full of players that should be nowhere near a team aspiring to win the league. We lack big game players. We lack the type of leader that will go fucking ballistic in the dressing room at players that cost us the game for getting sent off because they got wound up. Or confront a ‘big’ player who isn’t pulling their weight.

Pochettino set the bar high by delivering what Levy wanted ahead of schedule. But Levy needs to recognise the fact that our competition now have far stronger teams than we do. It is a miracle that we’re still in the running for the Top 4. We’ve lost more games this season than Wolves, a team that was playing in the Championship last season. If that isn’t setting alarm bells off in Levy’s head then nothing will.

It isn’t Poch’s fault. It is Levy’s for not backing him in the window. It is only a matter of time before Pochettino gets sick of it and joins a club that will back him. One sacking at Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG, United, Bayern Munich, Juventus etc... and they’ll be kicking the door down to sign him. Levy needs to unclench his asshole. Give Poch £100m outright plus free reign to get rid of whoever he wants and allow him reinvest that money. Otherwise we will not win anything and Poch will move on to bigger things.

That's a fantastic post, Sheepy boy. This forum can only benefit from great contributions like this.
You really must post more often

I'm John, btw.

 

[scott]

I think there is much more satisfaction in winning things with us than Juventus or PSG, that's one reason why he stays for now but I do sense him getting frustrated with the transfer restrictions. I'm not expecting things to change this summer, I suspect deep down Poch knows this too, which is why again he's putting the pressure on.

It's kinda like preferring to become a millionaire through your own hard work rather than winning it via the lottery. So do you keep turning down that winning ticket..

 

[yes]

That's a fantastic post, Sheepy boy. This forum can only benefit from great contributions like this.
You really must post more often

I'm John, btw.

You are too kind, sir.

1 in 100 of my rants make a bit of sense!

I actually remember you from a few years ago before I took a break from the forum. Back then I was Bale’sHairLine but I forgot my password like the melt I am so started over!

Enjoy your weekend!

 

[Incomplete_usernam]

Pochettino stated that the objective set by Levy was for us to be playing Champions League football in the new stadium.

So yeah. Poch over-performed and set the bar high by qualifying and having decent runs earlier than expected.

The problem now is that Woolwich, United, Liverpool, City and Chelsea, our rivals for the Top 4 have all strengthened their squads significantly over the past few years, where as we haven’t. If anything, we’ve gone the other way - particularly with Dembele leaving.

There’s a reason why it’s a big deal that Chelsea are receiving a two window ban on signing players. Because it’s a strong punishment. Levy, despite all the great things he has done for Tottenham decided to self-impose a two window ban on us. No fucking wonder we’re struggling!

I get as wound up as anyone when I hear us described as Spursy/soft/bottlers. But there’s no smoke without fire! This has been the case for years. Why? Our recruitment strategy.

We lack squad depth first and foremost. Our squad is jammed full of players that should be nowhere near a team aspiring to win the league. We lack big game players. We lack the type of leader that will go fucking ballistic in the dressing room at players that cost us the game for getting sent off because they got wound up. Or confront a ‘big’ player who isn’t pulling their weight.

Pochettino set the bar high by delivering what Levy wanted ahead of schedule. But Levy needs to recognise the fact that our competition now have far stronger teams than we do. It is a miracle that we’re still in the running for the Top 4. We’ve lost more games this season than Wolves, a team that was playing in the Championship last season. If that isn’t setting alarm bells off in Levy’s head then nothing will.

It isn’t Poch’s fault. It is Levy’s for not backing him in the window. It is only a matter of time before Pochettino gets sick of it and joins a club that will back him. One sacking at Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG, United, Bayern Munich, Juventus etc... and they’ll be kicking the door down to sign him. Levy needs to unclench his asshole. Give Poch £100m outright plus free reign to get rid of whoever he wants and allow him reinvest that money. Otherwise we will not win anything and Poch will move on to bigger things.

This is bang on the money, I don't think £100m will be enough though.

 

[yes]

This is bang on the money, I don't think £100m will be enough though.

I agree. I just can't even pretend that Levy would give any more than that!

But if he's able to offload the players that aren't in his plans anymore he must be able to generate another £100m. Giving him £200m to bring in 5/6 quality players then allowing our talented lads from the academy to come into the squad and provide cover where needed.

 

[scott]

and could even qualify without earning another point.

Glad to say you were right! Was fearing the worst. You would have got great odds on United & Woolwich dropping pts.

 

[WookieD]

I mean commiserations.........

Roawarrargh

 

[Xxx]

He’s magic you know... close thread

 

[COckneY Spurs]

Poch is so good he makes everyone else suck.

Chuck Norris wears a Pochettino T-shirt

 

[Notabadsquad]

No I don’t think he is.
I think he has constantly spoken about the elite, trophies, that he wants to win the PL and the other cups don’t matter, but hasn’t delivered.

So he’s done an astounding job, should stay for 20 years, but the pressure he’s under has come from his own interviews.

Everyone says Levy only wants top 4, so the pressure can’t be from him right...

Agree with some of this.

Outstanding job in the circumstances yes.

Achieved all he should have done with a squad as talented (forget the costz) as ours has been? I think borderline to that.

Victim of his own success or beneficiary of his assumed success? Hmmmm....

My concern is whether he knows how to and has the quality and depth of character to create Spurs mark 2 and make it better than the first creation.

Lets get this season over with and see but it will be very interesting.

 

[Airfixx]

I have nothing but admiration for Poch and how far we have come under his stewardship but why continue to be nearly men when you can go off to a club like Juventus or PSG and guarantee yourself domestic titles.

Poch's profile is so big when does he sacrifice for personal gains?

All depends on ones value system.... I'm as confident as I can be that in Poch we have as close as there is to someone with integrity and old-fashioned values in the modern game. Meanwhile let's not kid ourselves; he earns about £8m a year; he shan't starve whilst he's here.... For some 'lots' IS enough.

If he chooses to leave for a 'bigger' job then he'd have earned that step up, sad day if/when it comes but no complaints.... Something that falls outside of the notion of being a 'Victim of one's own success' anyway....

 

[nigel6305]

He's not a 'victim' nor has he ever portrayed himself as one ... remember this thread is a response to the tiny fraction of the support that bitch and moan because we've "only reached the last four of the CL and are only competing for top four once again" ... the huge majority of die-hard fans are ecstatic to be living in the era of the greatest consistent performance in our history ... and frankly the minority in this case can all simply fuck off back to their basements they have no clue ....

Poch talked about a 'five year challenge' in 2016, the challenge was to become a club that competed for European qualification on a regular basis .... well just three years later that's already been achieved. Now Poch could just sit back and take it easy for two years, he's on 8m a year he's already achieved his targets, but he won't, it's just not in his physce.

So now he is looking for the club to tear up that five year plan and produce a new one, one that sets the sites on Titles and Trophies, we will see come the summer if the club and Poch are aligned, if he gets no backing (and he will) then he can claim to be a 'victim'

But a new ground, new training facilities, the 5th highest valued squad in the league .... that's hardly lack of support, what Poch has done is over achieve, most fans recognise that and appreciate it, who gives a fuck what the media and a few moronic trolls on here think? Poch is already a Spurs legend, sure the squad needs a shake up from top to bottom, nobody will deny that, just let's pray it's Poch that gets to do it not some inferior replacement.

No clue..really
You make some excellent points, but we all know levy will not provide the tools poch needs to push for titles. He never has and never Will, I truly believe that levy didn't expect to be where we are and probably didn't want to be in the top 4. He knows this will bring bigger demands and expectations of actually trying to win a trophy or two and he is just not willing to do that...ffs we were paying our players less than clubs like Leicester were willing to in order to keep them..he runs this club imo like we are crystal palace or something..

 

[mummy]

Pochettino, like our players is a victim of adulation before actual achievement.

Result - complacency and at times undeserved belief.

I suppose it depends what you mean by 'actual achievement'. If you mean trophies, then of course you're right.
On the other hand, if you mean exciting, enjoyable, entertaining, watchable football, week on week, over a period of years, or an injection of immense pride into the club, then I'd have to disagree.
Trophies are massively important, but they're not everything.

That said, WE MUST WIN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE - then his place will be cemented into the club's history.

 

[SpiderSpurs]

Isn't talk of free flowing, expansive, exciting football under Poch all a bit of an urban myth?

 

[John Thomas]

Fucking Benitez. Wow. If Poch left (we'd be insane to give him the boot) then Nuno might be a great idea but I expect Poch to stay and rebuild.

Benitez has also, like Poch, spent the last 2 seaosons publicly begging his boss for more investment.
So although I can see the similarities, theres no way I see him taking the Spurs job.