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Transfers January Transfer Thread 2024
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What we are doing though, well again it appears, it two tiered transfers. In the youth thread, posters regular there will know, myselfCouldnt agree more. Its much easier for the fans to identify with when we have some Englishmen (preferably through the academy) in the side. I remember when Bolton played in Europe with 11 foreign players and thought, that aint right. Its not seeing it as an HG issue either, its about identifying with English players.
We have Maddison as the only English nailed-on starter and thats a little sad. Unfortunately the best English players attract ridiculous price tags (see Grealish / Rice) but it would be nice to see us mix it up a bit and look at players like Alex Scott, or Gibbs-White before he moved - ie. players that arent in the stupid £50m+ category but are also not 18 year old "punts" for a few million. Hopefully Phillips and Dorrington both make the grade, and Donley gets some more minutes. Any budding Kane replacements in the academy....?
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et al. are all onboard getting the best 16-18year olds (Devine, Phillips recently) to supplement gaps.Sadly, we abandoned this for a few years, with our rubbish Director of Football period, meaning we have now 6-10 excellent youth prospects (Moore, Donley, Devine, Dorrington, Phillips, Hall, Scarlett etc), but they are all a year or two short of challenging for regular minutes (2-3years Hall and Moore).
Scott would have been excellent, but in the summer we were short of funds to adequately pay for players 19-21 HG, as they cost £25m as he did, with just a year more than Devines experience, who cost about £1.2m.
It’s folly to not see this wider context, as said many times, it would be brilliant to have 5 English club trained players as first team players, but, the finances won’t allow that as a sheer focus presently.
Believe this context is why we signed Johnson, and, why we are after Gallagher also. Look at the grief Johnson is getting, not being a polished borderline World Class player, because he cost £43m odd (where as these European watchers like
bus-conductor
can name numerous better players, so gauge their expectations on this, rather than Johnson being the best HG player available last summer).
Low block does not suit Dier at all, look how shit he was under Jose & Conte.
My turn to agree...almost completely ha ha!
It's true - and ridiculous when you think of it - that (young) English/British talent costs a premium. But if they're worth it...
Also, I totally get the lack of experience thing, but if we never give our kids a go, when are they ever gonna be ready? Yeah a loan to the champo helps...sometimes. But if you want them to get accustomed to the PL, then play them in the PL. Harry took the PL by storm, so did Dele. There was a time when Winksy was a very good PL midfielder. Danny Rose did pretty alright too. Loads of other examples out there, at Spurs or other clubs.
I'm just a bit tired of us as a club always finding an excuse to go shopping abroad. We're Spurs, we should have 4 or 5 Englishmen in the starting 11 week in week out. But maybe that's the football romantic (aka old fart) in me talking.
That being said, when Sonny lifts the glorious FA Cup on May 25, you won't hear me complain.
He's not needed if Dragusin comes in January.
Romero, VDV, Dragusin, Davies with Phillips and Dorrington stepping up is fine. Vuskovic should be ready in a couple of years as well.
It ain't even about the HG/CT quotas to me. I just wanna see more
/British players in the starting 11, as we used to have.
I hear that for 2024 it will be “there you go”
i think the bundesliga would suit him betta
i still hope he will do well in the future, he had some moments 4 us
time has passed him by
i hope he will be in a other team come february( perfer sooner)
Well a high-line does not suit Dier at all either so maybe a mid-block then?
Couldnt agree more. Its much easier for the fans to identify with when we have some Englishmen (preferably through the academy) in the side. I remember when Bolton played in Europe with 11 foreign players and thought, that aint right. Its not seeing it as an HG issue either, its about identifying with English players.
We have Maddison as the only English nailed-on starter and thats a little sad. Unfortunately the best English players attract ridiculous price tags (see Grealish / Rice) but it would be nice to see us mix it up a bit and look at players like Alex Scott, or Gibbs-White before he moved - ie. players that arent in the stupid £50m+ category but are also not 18 year old "punts" for a few million. Hopefully Phillips and Dorrington both make the grade, and Donley gets some more minutes. Any budding Kane replacements in the academy....?
Spot on, my man.
Even if they aren't Spurs fans from birth like that Scott kid, I just feel (wrongly so, perhaps) that to truly appreciate what Tottenham Hotspur means, to really understand the club's place in the domestic football heritage, you gotta be English.
Cause we've been starved of success for so long, like it or not we ain't got the appeal of United/Liverpool/Woolwich and new rich fuckers like City or Chelsea. As part of my work, I get to travel a lot. Whenever I'm in France/Germany/Italy/Scandinavia or Asia, even when I'm on Zooms with my US-based clients...and I start chatting footy with people aged 20-50, all I hear about is them competitors of ours. Cause if you were born in the 80s/90s/00s, they were/are the teams winning trophy after trophy. When I say I'm Spurs, people are nowhere near as clued up about us. I guess it's pretty much the same with foreign players. Though the great Poch era and the legend that is Harry Kane have helped put us on the map a bit more.
Old Firm would suit Dier. Think Richard Gough, without the abilityWell a high-line does not suit Dier at all either so maybe a mid-block then?
Agree, again mostly. However summer we signed what 6? And three were Phillips, Maddison and Johnson…It ain't even about the HG/CT quotas to me. I just wanna see more
Think the focus is already there, albeit within financial restraints (how we got Madders for £40m was a bizarre anomaly).
Again, look at the arguments over Gallagher, myself find myself torn constantly, believing Anges wants his mentality and Bulldog qualities, as much or more than technical quality, but then other days see a £20m from wherever suggested, who might be technically far superior and am swayed by that!
The changing room dynamic, is a hidden variable, it appears Gallagher would be excellent, given his showings and zero press comments (he hasn’t said “I’m Chelsea, no way Spurs” or slated us historically - Maddison), the weight of this is clearly huge for Ange, yet because we have Sarr (who ironically will be HG next season) the majority it seems are dead set against him (Excluding the “let’s not help Chelsea fix FFP).
Imagine if our Captain, most games this season, was rumoured to be going to Chelsea for £40m to help out FFP, we’d be feeling like a Sol Campbell event was upon us again (though more noble as he isn’t being a devious schmuck about things).
Phillips and Dorrington haven't been used during this period where we are desperate for CBs, Ange obviously doesn't think they are ready probably they will need to go out on loan to convince him.
What we are doing though, well again it appears, it two tiered transfers. In the youth thread, posters regular there will know, myself
Sadly, we abandoned this for a few years, with our rubbish Director of Football period, meaning we have now 6-10 excellent youth prospects (Moore, Donley, Devine, Dorrington, Phillips, Hall, Scarlett etc), but they are all a year or two short of challenging for regular minutes (2-3years Hall and Moore).
Scott would have been excellent, but in the summer we were short of funds to adequately pay for players 19-21 HG, as they cost £25m as he did, with just a year more than Devines experience, who cost about £1.2m.
It’s folly to not see this wider context, as said many times, it would be brilliant to have 5 English club trained players as first team players, but, the finances won’t allow that as a sheer focus presently.
Believe this context is why we signed Johnson, and, why we are after Gallagher also. Look at the grief Johnson is getting, not being a polished borderline World Class player, because he cost £43m odd (where as these European watchers like
Well said and you make good points. It definitely feels as if we're heading in the right direction now with the likes of Alfie x 2, Moore, Jude...fingers crossed some of them can become first team regulars. Great for Spurs, great for ENG too.
But really, 25mil for an Alex Scott should have been zero probs for a club like us. We have the money. And some. Proof is we spent 40 odd mile on Brennan like you said...and he didn't have that much more experience compared to Scott.
i heard Leandro Damião is too early for jan window
but tottham keep tabs on him to sign him possibly in the summer
Please never put Johnson in the same sentence as Waddle ever again
I think the issue with Johnson is there doesn’t seem to be that real willingness and desire to be top level. He has good attributes but doesn’t use them enough. He’ll always produce moments in a game like yesterday but there’s something missing in his game.
I definitely don’t think we should be writing him off though.
Waddle is one of my favourite spurs players of all time, yet I saw plenty of games when he disappeared or was a total liability. More recently Walker, Son, Eriksen etc had lousy first seasons in my opinion; and good job we didn’t write them off so soon. I think fans in general are a lot less patient than they used to be , myself included. 20 years ago my attitude was wait until players were 27/28 years old before judging them.