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Transfers January Transfer Thread 2024

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scarletjim said:
Oh dear, that seems to have gone right over your head...

I was providing an imaginary scenario outside of a transfer window open period in order to exmaine the 'value' of having a player for 1 or 2 games and paying £2m for that privilege. I believe the poster it was aimed at will have understood perfectly well.
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The value is, he is playing for us and not someone else. And that's the point.

And what's the point waiting, if someone else puts a bid for him and bidding war starts and you end having to pay 10-15 million more for the player you desperately need, when you could have just played 2 million more and got him in at the start of the window. Playing against Burnley in FA giving him a game and the taste of the English game before Utd.

Your entire argument is a fucking joke.
 
manmountainbutters said:
I get your point, but you can't separate the "pay extra to get him in sooner" from the "risk losing him". Paying extra both buys you a player for United (agree with your pov there), but also assures we actually get the guy. All depends on whether there is a Plan B and how inferior it is.
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Yep, it's a good point, and if anyone genuinely fears we will lose him and wants us to pay the extra for that reason then I believe that's a better argument. Personally though, I don't think that will happen, I think we can financially outmuscle anyone else interested right now, and I'd expect everyone would want to play for Ange in our current system and set-up. Of course another even bigger club could come in - that's a calculated risk that the board has obviously decided to take. If he was expected to be our new star player, I agree they wouldn't take that risk, they would probably pay the extra and get it done. As it is, he is realistically going to begin as our 3rd choice CB when everyone is fit - hardly a long-term game-changer for the club. If of course we are even in for him at all - as I said earlier, smokescreens seems to be Paratici's MO...
 
Richard Arlison said:
This unrestrained hysteria, is it in the room with us now?


There are people that don't agree with you. That doesn't make them hysterical, or crazy, or conspiracy theorists or any other terrible scary thing. It’s just part of the big scary world of the internet. If you take a step back, you might even realize that's part of the reason you waste time chatting on a forum.
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You think this place doesn’t get hysterical during transfer windows?

That’s a hot take but I respect it.
 
The sadistic bastard part in me somehow wants us to miss out on Radu and other CB this January just to witness the total gorefest on here
 
Richard Arlison said:
Ange quotes the whole way through. He consistently said he doesn't put ceilings on achievements or he wouldn't even be here.

Son has been quoted several times saying our goals are higher than just CL places. If you feel better about being a fan by managing your disappointment by limiting your hopes for a project that you have zero contribution to, I fully get that. That's not for me mate. I'd prefer the club set itself the highest goals every season.
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Here we go again arguing in completely bad faith and you trying to desperately move the goalposts

We're talking about what the goal was in the Summer in relation to the squad and in particular the CB sit.

The goal was never to win the league this season, the goal was to rebuild the squad an d change the culture completely, the fact that we are where we are is down to the good work by the club and Ange to get us in this position.

And if you want evidence of Ange making a point about this he himself said numerous times that it's going to take more than 1 window to rebuild the squad, he literally said that 7 fucking days ago :

www.standard.co.uk

Postecoglou warns Tottenham fans over January transfer window signings

The manager wants new signings in as soon as possible but has moved to temper expectations from fans
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk

So to expect the squad not to have holes in it after 1 window in the context of where we were at the beginning of the Summer well you're either being totally delusional or just straight up lying to yourself.
 
TheGreenLily said:
The value is, he is playing for us and not someone else. And that's the point.

And what's the point waiting, if someone else puts a bid for him and bidding war starts and you end having to pay 10-15 million more for the player you desperately need, when you could have just played 2 million more and got him in at the start of the window. Playing against Burnley in FA giving him a game and the taste of the English game before Utd.

Your entire argument is a fucking joke.
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Now now, no need to be rude - I suspect the reality is that you simply don't understand the argument I've made, certainly some of your posts would suggest that (and apologies if I've not been sufficiently clear / simple).

My argument is not a joke - on the contrary, in my view, paying an extra few million pounds just to have a player for 1 or 2 extra games would be laughable. You disagree with that, and would happily have the clb you love pay the extra money (thereby obviously necessarily reducing future transfer funds by the same amount) in order to have him for those two games, which is fine - everyone is entitled to an opinion. :)
 
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Genoa and other selling clubs on the continent all have a vested interest in making the rich EPL buyers pay as much as possible everytime and when the margins are measured in millions there is plenty to go around for greasing the palms of journos, content creators, agents and anyone else that can help jack the price up. Genoa would surely see the fee paid for MvdV as a benchmark or if you prefer a floor price for letting Dragusin go in the Jan TW, what is his contract situation with Genoa at the moment, haven't seen much talk about that being a trigger for them needing to make a move so they will be wanting AMAP
 
MVP said:
Yes I'm aware of what negotiation is.
So you'd be happy for us to negotiate this deal for another week and possibly not end up with the player, when Ange said he wanted players in early would you?
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Personally yes, I'd be preapred for us to take that risk. Maybe it's the Jew in me, but I'd rather save a few million pounds and take that risk (and it is just a risk, it's not a gurantee that he's go elsewhere if we don't pay the money today).

But we're all different - I'd rather we take that risk, you'd rather we didn't, and that's ok. :)
 
TheGreenLily said:
The value is, he is playing for us and not someone else. And that's the point.

And what's the point waiting, if someone else puts a bid for him and bidding war starts and you end having to pay 10-15 million more for the player you desperately need, when you could have just played 2 million more and got him in at the start of the window. Playing against Burnley in FA giving him a game and the taste of the English game before Utd.

Your entire argument is a fucking joke.
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If there is going to be a bidding war on a transfer it doesn't matter how 'quick' you are with making your move - any other interested club will get the nod from the agent or club or whoever and then get involved.
 
TheGreenLily said:
Not really, we would have had targets, whilst this is a bit of rebuilding time, realistically we should have been aiming for Europe at the very least, CL is good shout.
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You're just arguing for the sake of it, the point isn't even about these goals that the club had which are entirely subjective anyway

What is being suggested is that the squad should have been rebuilt in 1 window to the point that we should expect to have 0 holes in it, no-one expected us to be where we were at the beginning of the season because they realised the squad wasn't up to par so all this revisionism about CL goals and Europe goals is a load of fucking bollocks.
 
scarletjim said:
Now now, no need to be rude - I suspect the reality is that you simply don't understand the argument I've made, certainly some of your posts would suggest that.

My argument is not a joke - on the contrary, in my view, paying an extra few million pounds just to have a player for 1 or 2 extra games would be laughable. You disagree with that, and would happily have the clb you love pay the extra money (thereby obviously necessarily reducing future transfer funds by the same amount) in order to have him for those two games, which is fine - everyone is entitled to an opinion. :)
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But your argument is a joke.

It's not just 1-2 games though is it? I mean, if getting players in early wasn't important then why do managers so desperate for it to happen?

And extra couple of weeks training, the time settling in, finding a home, and all the other things that also benefit from getting a playing early. b Not to mention we have him and not someone else.

Your view of the benefits of getting a player early is very narrow minded and one dimensional.
 
Micky Bubbles said:
If there is going to be a bidding war on a transfer it doesn't matter how 'quick' you are with making your move - any other interested club will get the nod from the agent or club or whoever and then get involved.
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Well it does, if the club said 30 mill and his yours and we dick about asking for a loan or trying to save a couple of mill and then you end up paying 35-40 million.
 
scarletjim said:
Personally yes, I'd be preapred for us to take that risk. Maybe it's the Jew in me, but I'd rather save a few million pounds and take that risk (and it is just a risk, it's not a gurantee that he's go elsewhere if we don't pay the money today).

But we're all different - I'd rather we take that risk, you'd rather we didn't, and that's ok. :)
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It's not ok, because it' Ange's job on the line, What's the point of this new recruitment set up if we are just going to do the same as we#ve always done?
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the unwanted loan returns are causing a delay on incoming players.
Reguilon, Spence and probably Ndombele coming back will have Levy sweating like a dyslexic at a spelling contest. He absolutely won't want a new player coming in and have those 3 sat around collecting 100% of their salary and not even getting into the squad.
 
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