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I know a lot of people are saying Jose won't be sacked because of his contract but think about it like this.
If we sack Jose but then qualify for the Champions league or we keep Jose and don't qualify which one makes us lose more money? By far the 2nd option. Levy wants/needs the Champions league . It helps the financials so much.

This week is critical IMO. We need to see some improvement while a lot of its down to Jose some of the blame lies on the outfield players.
 
I know a lot of people are saying Jose won't be sacked because of his contract but think about it like this.
If we sack Jose but then qualify for the Champions league or we keep Jose and don't qualify which one makes us lose more money? By far the 2nd option. Levy wants/needs the Champions league . It helps the financials so much.

This week is critical IMO. We need to see some improvement while a lot of its down to Jose some of the blame lies on the outfield players.
The players know he will be gone - Levy will be circling and seeking their inputs from certain, senior players

If feedback is bad, he will act
 
Nope. Two points - they didn’t fund it, the club did. It had a solid biz case pre Covid.... but who knows whether that will mean it’s a good or a bad move. If it’s half empty for three years with no other events it’s a terrible move
Ok, so what your saying is that it might of been a bad idea in hindsight due to Covid ?

People get confused between "rich club" and spending power.
We are a "rich club" because of the value of our assets, which include a billion pound stadium. That does not mean that we have a load of cash to spare.

The club did fund it, so it's a good thing for the club. When fans are allowed back in, it will double our revenue compared to old WHL.
This can only be a good thing.
 
This tactical genius thought that playing 3 at the back against the 20th placed team was the solution
Tried it at Liverpool and didn't work so switched to a back 4 at half time.
Then preceeds to make the exact same mistake 3 days later and does the exact same thing at half time.

Surely that spells the beginning of the end when these sort of things are happening?
 
Bang on the money...............


Jose Mourinho
A defeat so damning
on Tottenham’s manager because it was so bloody predictable. We winced at the sight of this team lethargically trying to unpick Liverpool in midweek with Harry Kane absent and winced at the thought of their prospects without their best player. If this was not the worst team performance of Mourinho’s tenure, the first half was surely the worst 45 minutes.

Suspicions that Tottenham were ripe for dismantling on Sunday night only grew when Mourinho picked three central defenders against the worst home side in the country. That formation typically relies upon the wing-backs to provide the creativity, but Mourinho selected two unnatural wing-backs in Ben Davies (left-back) and Moussa Sissoko (central midfielder). They created one chance each.

The lack of Kane obviously provides a part-explanation. The downside of his greater responsibility to knit together the strands of Tottenham’s attack rather than merely leading it is that his absence would leave a deeper hole than it previously had. Gareth Bale looks half-broken, Steven Bergwijn is a runner but not a finisher and I’m not even sure why Tottenham bought Carlos Vinicius to then never play him and leave him rusty for precisely the time he was needed.

But that isn’t a good enough excuse. Mourinho must have worked on a plan in the build-up to Sunday’s game and yet Tottenham played like a team without any semblance of attacking strategy. Tanguy Ndombele could have played as a No. 10 to increase his creative influence or more attacking wing-back options. But more important than that was that Tottenham moved the ball at speed through midfield to drag Brighton’s defenders (who lack pace) out of position. Instead we saw the same miserable half-speed football that only ever seems to lead to half-chances. Tottenham’s expected goals total at half-time? 0.03.

Mourinho insisted after the match that his team did apply pressure in the final 20 minutes, but forgive me for holding back the prizes for that. Spurs were 1-0 down against a team with one home league win since 2019 – I’d bloody hope that they would try and equalise. That doesn’t even meet the bare minimum standard required.

And there’s a slightly broader issue here too. Mourinho explained the lack of energy in the first half – particularly in attacking areas – because several Tottenham players are “sad”. You can interpret that in all manner of ways (Mourinho’s vagueness was surely deliberate), but the manager must accept his own culpability in that process.

Imagine the following scenario: At work, you have been given a task and told to do it how you see fit. Rather than play it safe, you choose to try something a little different that has a higher ceiling of success if it comes off. When it doesn’t come off, your manager lambasts you not just in front of your peers but on national television. The next time your teammates are given an identical task, how are you likely to approach it? Will you also try something experimental that your competitor may not expect? Or are you far more likely to play it safe for fear of being given the same treatment? Welcome to Tottenham’s Dele Alli problem.

Mourinho now has a serious problem on his hands. Tottenham are enjoying a worse ‘start’ (and we are now past halfway) to a season than in any of the five full campaigns under Mauricio Pochettino. If that nugget handily omits Pochettino’s fall from grace season, the emotional fatigue following the Champions League final heartache made a change necessary.

But then a change is supposed to bring a new mood and is supposed to allow talented footballers to express themselves in a new light. Fourteen months after Mourinho was appointed, Tottenham look roughly the same as they did in Pochettino’s final weeks. They are gaining more points per game than Pochettino did until November that season (1.2 vs 1.7), but then Tottenham have signed nine new first-team players under Mourinho.

Plenty of Tottenham supporters must be wondering whether this is all worth it. They emotionally invested so much in Pochettino’s Tottenham partly because he took them to previously unthinkable places but also because he created a culture within the squad that really did bleed into the mood of the fanbase. They were proud of their boys and there was an intangible sense of community between the elements of the club.

What’s really to emotionally invest in now? A League Cup win ends the silverware drought but hardly sets pulses racing. The team is attacking as if it is operating inside a joy vacuum. The relationship between manager and players looks to be wavering, death via a thousand angry Mourinho post-match press conferences. And they’re not even winning games to vindicate his autocracy.
 
And the longer he stays, the more of a long-term impact he will have too. We had a reputation for a while as a club that was attractive to young talent, that played the most progressive football in England, as an growing superpower. What do we have now? Shit football, poor results, a grumpy has-been manager.

Hahah, what?

"Attractive to young talent? Oh, yea, the wonderful youngsters of Sanchez and Moura... true dream position, we were literally kicking future superstars away from the club door with baseball bat, yeah, that totally happened in real life.
"Played most progressive football" - hahahah, what? Total revisionism. We were doing well for some time when number of players were in their prime, but ever since we have lost Dembele, Walker, Eriksen, Wanyama, Vertonghen and Alli, Rose and Toby have massively regressed. Time to let go of that time. It did not exist even before Mou came.

Of course I am pissed at the current situation at the club.
But I am almost as angry when our own supporters make up some straight up lies and see world in black-and-white way as expressed in the previous post.
 
This tactical genius thought that playing 3 at the back against the 20th placed team was the solution
Tried it at Liverpool and didn't work so switched to a back 4 at half time.
Then preceeds to make the exact same mistake 3 days later and does the exact same thing at half time.

Surely that spells the beginning of the end when these sort of things are happening?
The crazy thing is this could have suited us earlier in the season with Reggie and Doherty as its their best position. But we wait until 1 is injured and the other is un-selectable as he is so chronically out of form because he has been picked out of position to start playing wing backs with Davies, Aurier/Sissoko. That is the sign of a manager who has completely lost the plot.
 
The only thing that might save Mourinho is the Europa league with DL knowing he's got a good record in that sort of competition.
The cup final I'm not sure that'll save Mourinho because Levy will know that if Mourinho continues to coach the squad like this there's no chance they beat City.]

Kane/Reguilon/Lo Celso will all return in February which might make us play better but will it be too late by then?
 
Bang on the money...............


Jose Mourinho
A defeat so damning
on Tottenham’s manager because it was so bloody predictable. We winced at the sight of this team lethargically trying to unpick Liverpool in midweek with Harry Kane absent and winced at the thought of their prospects without their best player. If this was not the worst team performance of Mourinho’s tenure, the first half was surely the worst 45 minutes.

Suspicions that Tottenham were ripe for dismantling on Sunday night only grew when Mourinho picked three central defenders against the worst home side in the country. That formation typically relies upon the wing-backs to provide the creativity, but Mourinho selected two unnatural wing-backs in Ben Davies (left-back) and Moussa Sissoko (central midfielder). They created one chance each.

The lack of Kane obviously provides a part-explanation. The downside of his greater responsibility to knit together the strands of Tottenham’s attack rather than merely leading it is that his absence would leave a deeper hole than it previously had. Gareth Bale looks half-broken, Steven Bergwijn is a runner but not a finisher and I’m not even sure why Tottenham bought Carlos Vinicius to then never play him and leave him rusty for precisely the time he was needed.

But that isn’t a good enough excuse. Mourinho must have worked on a plan in the build-up to Sunday’s game and yet Tottenham played like a team without any semblance of attacking strategy. Tanguy Ndombele could have played as a No. 10 to increase his creative influence or more attacking wing-back options. But more important than that was that Tottenham moved the ball at speed through midfield to drag Brighton’s defenders (who lack pace) out of position. Instead we saw the same miserable half-speed football that only ever seems to lead to half-chances. Tottenham’s expected goals total at half-time? 0.03.

Mourinho insisted after the match that his team did apply pressure in the final 20 minutes, but forgive me for holding back the prizes for that. Spurs were 1-0 down against a team with one home league win since 2019 – I’d bloody hope that they would try and equalise. That doesn’t even meet the bare minimum standard required.

And there’s a slightly broader issue here too. Mourinho explained the lack of energy in the first half – particularly in attacking areas – because several Tottenham players are “sad”. You can interpret that in all manner of ways (Mourinho’s vagueness was surely deliberate), but the manager must accept his own culpability in that process.

Imagine the following scenario: At work, you have been given a task and told to do it how you see fit. Rather than play it safe, you choose to try something a little different that has a higher ceiling of success if it comes off. When it doesn’t come off, your manager lambasts you not just in front of your peers but on national television. The next time your teammates are given an identical task, how are you likely to approach it? Will you also try something experimental that your competitor may not expect? Or are you far more likely to play it safe for fear of being given the same treatment? Welcome to Tottenham’s Dele Alli problem.

Mourinho now has a serious problem on his hands. Tottenham are enjoying a worse ‘start’ (and we are now past halfway) to a season than in any of the five full campaigns under Mauricio Pochettino. If that nugget handily omits Pochettino’s fall from grace season, the emotional fatigue following the Champions League final heartache made a change necessary.

But then a change is supposed to bring a new mood and is supposed to allow talented footballers to express themselves in a new light. Fourteen months after Mourinho was appointed, Tottenham look roughly the same as they did in Pochettino’s final weeks. They are gaining more points per game than Pochettino did until November that season (1.2 vs 1.7), but then Tottenham have signed nine new first-team players under Mourinho.

Plenty of Tottenham supporters must be wondering whether this is all worth it. They emotionally invested so much in Pochettino’s Tottenham partly because he took them to previously unthinkable places but also because he created a culture within the squad that really did bleed into the mood of the fanbase. They were proud of their boys and there was an intangible sense of community between the elements of the club.

What’s really to emotionally invest in now? A League Cup win ends the silverware drought but hardly sets pulses racing. The team is attacking as if it is operating inside a joy vacuum. The relationship between manager and players looks to be wavering, death via a thousand angry Mourinho post-match press conferences. And they’re not even winning games to vindicate his autocracy.
The most accurate summary ive read yet. Players effort gets away a bit lightly but apart from that
 
I have given Daniel Levy plenty of praise for things he has been responsible for over the years.

The achievements you mentioned are not because of Daniel Levy.

Daniel Levy did not get us to the Champions League final. That was the result of a miracle performed by Mauricio Pochettino using a squad that had received ZERO investment in 18 months.

Daniel Levy did not get us to the League Cup final this season, unless he rigged the draw to give us one of the easiest routes to the final possible.

And being top of the league for a couple of weeks, is that honestly an achievement in your eyes? I’m a glass half full guy but Jesus Christ man.

And I’ll ask you a third time and maybe you’ll answer, who appointed Jose Mourinho, the man you blame for our current problems?

Hahahha, that is rich.

Every single positive aspect that happens is a miracle, and every negative is direct fault of Levy.

Oh, btw, if CL final was miracle performed by Poch, may I ask who appointed Poch as our manager?
Aand while we are at it, who decided to sign every single player that took field in that run?
 
Bang on the money...............


Jose Mourinho
A defeat so damning
on Tottenham’s manager because it was so bloody predictable. We winced at the sight of this team lethargically trying to unpick Liverpool in midweek with Harry Kane absent and winced at the thought of their prospects without their best player. If this was not the worst team performance of Mourinho’s tenure, the first half was surely the worst 45 minutes.

Suspicions that Tottenham were ripe for dismantling on Sunday night only grew when Mourinho picked three central defenders against the worst home side in the country. That formation typically relies upon the wing-backs to provide the creativity, but Mourinho selected two unnatural wing-backs in Ben Davies (left-back) and Moussa Sissoko (central midfielder). They created one chance each.

The lack of Kane obviously provides a part-explanation. The downside of his greater responsibility to knit together the strands of Tottenham’s attack rather than merely leading it is that his absence would leave a deeper hole than it previously had. Gareth Bale looks half-broken, Steven Bergwijn is a runner but not a finisher and I’m not even sure why Tottenham bought Carlos Vinicius to then never play him and leave him rusty for precisely the time he was needed.

But that isn’t a good enough excuse. Mourinho must have worked on a plan in the build-up to Sunday’s game and yet Tottenham played like a team without any semblance of attacking strategy. Tanguy Ndombele could have played as a No. 10 to increase his creative influence or more attacking wing-back options. But more important than that was that Tottenham moved the ball at speed through midfield to drag Brighton’s defenders (who lack pace) out of position. Instead we saw the same miserable half-speed football that only ever seems to lead to half-chances. Tottenham’s expected goals total at half-time? 0.03.

Mourinho insisted after the match that his team did apply pressure in the final 20 minutes, but forgive me for holding back the prizes for that. Spurs were 1-0 down against a team with one home league win since 2019 – I’d bloody hope that they would try and equalise. That doesn’t even meet the bare minimum standard required.

And there’s a slightly broader issue here too. Mourinho explained the lack of energy in the first half – particularly in attacking areas – because several Tottenham players are “sad”. You can interpret that in all manner of ways (Mourinho’s vagueness was surely deliberate), but the manager must accept his own culpability in that process.

Imagine the following scenario: At work, you have been given a task and told to do it how you see fit. Rather than play it safe, you choose to try something a little different that has a higher ceiling of success if it comes off. When it doesn’t come off, your manager lambasts you not just in front of your peers but on national television. The next time your teammates are given an identical task, how are you likely to approach it? Will you also try something experimental that your competitor may not expect? Or are you far more likely to play it safe for fear of being given the same treatment? Welcome to Tottenham’s Dele Alli problem.

Mourinho now has a serious problem on his hands. Tottenham are enjoying a worse ‘start’ (and we are now past halfway) to a season than in any of the five full campaigns under Mauricio Pochettino. If that nugget handily omits Pochettino’s fall from grace season, the emotional fatigue following the Champions League final heartache made a change necessary.

But then a change is supposed to bring a new mood and is supposed to allow talented footballers to express themselves in a new light. Fourteen months after Mourinho was appointed, Tottenham look roughly the same as they did in Pochettino’s final weeks. They are gaining more points per game than Pochettino did until November that season (1.2 vs 1.7), but then Tottenham have signed nine new first-team players under Mourinho.

Plenty of Tottenham supporters must be wondering whether this is all worth it. They emotionally invested so much in Pochettino’s Tottenham partly because he took them to previously unthinkable places but also because he created a culture within the squad that really did bleed into the mood of the fanbase. They were proud of their boys and there was an intangible sense of community between the elements of the club.

What’s really to emotionally invest in now? A League Cup win ends the silverware drought but hardly sets pulses racing. The team is attacking as if it is operating inside a joy vacuum. The relationship between manager and players looks to be wavering, death via a thousand angry Mourinho post-match press conferences. And they’re not even winning games to vindicate his autocracy.
Summed up superbly. Glad one form of media gets it.
 
Honestly just think we need to ditch this poisonous has been and bring in a fresh progressive manager. Levy was not going to do what was required squad-wise for a chequebook manager like moanhio even pre pandemic so let’s ditch the pretence and start building toward something again.

this experiment was, predictably, a total duffer.
 
Let’s face it, we all knew it would end in tears but as so many have pointed out, few expected those tears only 14 months in.

Unless there is an ‘insider’ at Spurs who posts on here we can’t possibly know or even second guess at the machinations behind the scenes. I suspect given the public personas involved, for the main parties - Levy, Mourinho, key players - to be already to be protecting their image and profile, looking for a way out of this mess that sees them and only them come up smelling of roses. But how and with what result for the club???

What we can see for ourselves is the atrocious standard of football meted out by this ‘legendary’ coach, piss poor results, nervousness among some players and the whiff of rebellion surrounding others. I can’t see any future opponent of Spurs doing anything but rubbing their hands together.

FWIW I think Levy will want to keep JM at least until the LC Final, maybe until the end of the season. Fuck knows what then? Another sticking plaster? Interim coach? Another project manager? We deserve better.

And what can we do about it? Us, long suffering supporters. We are the only constant in this crazy equation. And yet we are impotent...our biggest weapon (our voices) temporarily silenced. Most of us have been here before, many times with this club. We’ll continue to love it unconditionally - in spite of the riff raff who walk in and out the door. But fuck me, it tests the bloody patience....
 
Hard to think why anyone on a well paid contract would ever resign. If you're under-performing you just wait for the sack and the cash - obvious really. Unless there was some sort of gross misconduct charge which meant it could get messy I guess.
He won’t resign, 100% sure. Not only because of the compensation he’d get if he gets sacked, but I think Spurs are the last big club in his career. After he’s done with us, unless he pulls a miracle and we turn it around, I can’t see anyone else with European aspirations to give him a shot. Maybe his agent will pull some national team job for him but that’s also hard to believe.
 
Fairly neutral on Levy, but do not envy the decision he has to make on Mourinho. Watching our last 10 games there's basically no chance of us finishing top 4, but we're in decent enough spot that an interim manager would give us a chance.

Factor in the cost of a firing, and do you really want to back this coach in the summer with transfer ££, do we have a better chance in Europa with him, who can we attract as permanent coach in the summer, could Mourinho staying and us finishing 8/9th drive Kane, Son, Ndombele, Reguilon out the door? He's in a tough spot.
 
This tactical genius thought that playing 3 at the back against the 20th placed team was the solution
Tried it at Liverpool and didn't work so switched to a back 4 at half time.
Then preceeds to make the exact same mistake 3 days later and does the exact same thing at half time.

Surely that spells the beginning of the end when these sort of things are happening?
You clearly no nothing about football. If Jose feels he needs 3 centre backs to handle the legend that is Neal fucking Maupay , who are we to question him

You are bang on the money mate , about him. Yet because we voice how inept the tactics are, some say we are melters , or worse still not real fans.
 
This tactical genius thought that playing 3 at the back against the 20th placed team was the solution
Tried it at Liverpool and didn't work so switched to a back 4 at half time.
Then preceeds to make the exact same mistake 3 days later and does the exact same thing at half time.

Surely that spells the beginning of the end when these sort of things are happening?
I've been thinking about this 3 at the back, which I hate.

The only reason I can think of is that Jose wants to play Ndombele as a CM, as he can influence the game more from there.
However, Jose doesn't think that he's good enough defensively, and fitness wise, to play there.
Hence having a back 3, or 5 without the ball.

Only my thinking and I could be well off.
Maybe a 4-3-3 would be better for Ndombele but doubt that Jose would play that.
 
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