Jose Mourinho

Do you accept Jose Mourinho as your saviour?

  • Yes

    Votes: 352 66.9%
  • No

    Votes: 174 33.1%

  • Total voters
    526
It looks like maybe José will be backed. If it's so it's up to José to get this working. I'm still firmly in the Mourinho out side, but I hope the season can be acceptable.
 
If he gets us playing well and winning then that is on him. How could anyone argue that? We have played like shit for 2 years now. That was on Poch and now it is on Jose. But if the results change and the fluidity comes then Bless the man.
Of course nobody would argue that.

It is a ridiculous false hypothetical based on nothing but him trying to create a persecution complex against Jose that doesn't exist. Likely to try and use it to deflect from any valid criticism by falsely claiming that any criticism is just because nothing is good enough.

As someone who may be considered in the non-pro-Jose camp, although I wouldn't say that I am that, I would be thrilled with him if he got us a trophy. If he won us Europa League this year I would be more than happy with him. If he coupled that with a top 4 finish or domestic trophy I would be over the moon with him.
 
If he gets us playing well and winning then that is on him. How could anyone argue that? We have played like shit for 2 years now. That was on Poch and now it is on Jose. But if the results change and the fluidity comes then Bless the man.
that’s fair.

I also understand enough about the bigger picture of football where I understand the different challenges that can cause a team to play badly. We are a team that is adapting to the demands of being winners. During this process, we’ve lost a manager, players in a funk type state of mind, new manager, uncertainty of their place in the squad, we’ve lost players to injuries, have inconsistent players, unfit players, Covid, new players, returning injured players, short preseason, Covid, new players, still an open transfer window. There’s a lot in flux and constantly changing and evolving.
 

Airfixx

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So do the PRO-JOSE people think he will have any excuses with the new additions of Bale and Sergio (if this comes to fruition)? Or will it still be a lack of quality and a lack of mentality that gets the blame?
I’m in the pro-Jose crowd. Let me put it this way, there’s nothing he can do or doesn’t do regardless of his squad or situation that will appease the non-pro-Jose crowd.
So if he continues to struggle to get results, plays a very conservative brand of football, and we are out of the fight for CL football, you are ok with that and think he has every excuse?
doesn’t matter the situation, the non-pro-Jose crowd wouldn’t be ok with whatever that happens.

if we’re doing good, it’s because of something else or someone else, if we’re doing bad, it’s all his fault.

/end of story

Isn't it wonderful now we have two polarising boogie-men at the club rather than one...... Especially when it means peeps aren't afforded the credit of being able to form nuanced non-binary opinions. :freundgoal:

#GetInThatCampFool.
 
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I am not sure why there is so much polarisation on this site to either love or hate a Chairman, Manager or player of the club. They all have good and bad points and yes these should all be discussed but those in the love camp only highlight the good and the haters only the bad and it is rare for a balanced view saying the individual is good at this but bad at that as they can still come to the conclusion that either the good or the bad outweigh the other. After every defeat the haters post and if we win they just keep quiet. I am as pissed off as anyone when we lose but do not see posting the same old hate at what I see as the problem to be particularly useful. We are meant to be a Spurs supporters forum and the hate should be reserved for Woolwich etc.
 
doesn’t matter the situation, the non-pro-Jose crowd wouldn’t be ok with whatever that happens.

if we’re doing good, it’s because of something else or someone else, if we’re doing bad, it’s all his fault.

/end of story
Bollocks if we're doing good, of course he'll get credit. He's not exactly shy of bigging himself up either is he.

If we play the turgid, dog-shit football we have done at times during his reign he will get the same stick from our fans as he has from every other club he's managed.
 

Fattynomates

Supporter
A lot of people in the Jose out camp said he could only do good with a open cheque book or superstar players, if we get these last few transfers across the line then surely you must be excited about having him here now, as the only reservations were he would be wouldn't be backed by Levy?
 
Bollocks if we're doing good, of course he'll get credit. He's not exactly shy of bigging himself up either is he.

If we play the turgid, dog-shit football we have done at times during his reign he will get the same stick from our fans as he has from every other club he's managed.
If we went from playing marvellous football to playing turgid shit, I would hands down blame Mourinho.
But we were playing uselss, blunt, impotent, turgid football for a long time before he came.

Certainly not a dig at you so please, don't take it that way, but there are a lot of sad fans that are pro-Poch that can't see how bad it god because they're still rubbing out cheeky wanks over 2017.
Take away a few games from the Champions league and the 18/19 season was awful. 2018 was 2 years ago. Mourinho hasn't been here a year.
 
A lot of people in the Jose out camp said he could only do good with a open cheque book or superstar players, if we get these last few transfers across the line then surely you must be excited about having him here now, as the only reservations were he would be wouldn't be backed by Levy?
What no one has seen with Jose yet, is whether he can find superstar or at least quality players on a bargain and get them to come.

In the past he hasn't had to. Now he does. Getting one of the best players of the last decade and a talented rising star for Burnley money is a master stroke that I don't think Levy and Poch could have pulled off.
 
A lot of people in the Jose out camp said he could only do good with a open cheque book or superstar players, if we get these last few transfers across the line then surely you must be excited about having him here now, as the only reservations were he would be wouldn't be backed by Levy?
My reservations about him aren't really to do with financial backing. Utd gave him the best part of 400M to spend on players and he was still unhappy and they still played shit football. Their fans are not queuing up to have him back and we won't be once he leaves us (which he will).

I'm hoping he can at least provide winning, successful football if not the attractive style of football that made me a Spurs fan in the first place.
 
Before reading anything that I put below, I must confess that my opinion is somewhat biased by
the prejudices that I have against him

I do not have a clear opinion about Mourinho so I am willing to wait for the end of this season before saying absolutely nothing, but anyway ALL or Nothing (i wouldn't say that's a Spurs documentary but more a Mourinho's one) has let us see a bit what is Mourinho's way of training and his way of dealing with the group.
In the first training session what he does is try to make a good impression, be funny, but the most important thing is that he tells Kane to go see him the next day.

Why?
Because Mourinho is an intelligent person and he doesn't want to end up like in United (betrayed by his own players) because this may be one of the last chances for Mourinho to show that he is not a finished coach, so he tries to gain the trust of the player who he believe is the most important of the team to be able to influence the rest of the team easily.

There are things that I absolutely do not like and others that seem very strange to me.

For example :

1. In his first press conferences Mourinho begins to create a "media shield" to protect himself from the press critics that have not been done yet (how many times he repeated the thing of "the team would have finished fourth in the league if the season had started when they named me coach" thing, the pandemy is affecting us...) and this only shows the little confidence he has in himself for the time he spended in his last teams and his way out

2. The transfer of Gedson was clearly done to pay a favor to Mendes or to receive one in the future helping to increase the price of Gedson, it was not done thinking at any time in the sports section and I'm afraid this team will end up being converted into the London franchise of Gestifute.

3. Leaving aside any opinion about Rose what he said about Mourinho is true.
Mourinho gives priority in the starting 11 to his friends and not to the best 11 players.
It is clear that each coach has their own tastes and there are some favorite players who play despite their performance and others who are easier to criticize or withdraw from the starting 11(and harder to start)
but a team that aspires to win SOMETHING cannot simple afford to have Winks, Dier, Aurier, Ben Davies or Sissoko starting. They're good players to fill the bench but THEY CAN'T BE STARTERS

4.I am not an elite coach but I've seen the City documentary and ours and I can see a clear difference between Mourinho and Guardiola. While Guardiola tries to empower his own team regardless of the rival, Mourinho does the opposite, he tries to destroy the rival's advantages and does not allow the players any mistakes. It may be that fear of making mistakes is what causes players to refuse to attempt any forward pass and simply pass backwards.

5.The "winner mentality" it's a very ambiguous thing.
For me all players have sporting and economic ambitions and for me they all want to win and play well because the fulfillment of their ambitions depends on their performance
The winner mentality alone does not make you win, you need talent also.
How many players in this squad have won something?
Lloris a world cup and that's all
For me that "winner mentality" thing is just an excuse to keep playing mediocre players

6.Doherty, Hojbjerg, Bale, Reguilón (rebuy clause during 2 years).
The signings that Mourinho does are making make me think that Mourinho does not plan to stay at Tottenham in the medium-long term and rebuild but win things in the short.

7.We all know that Tanguy is struggling to adapt his physique and I think we all know that the possibility that Tanguy's physique will never be the right for PL is real but what I don't understand is what happened last season at the lockdown and in the post-lockdown
What is the objective of praising a player throughout the lockdown for his effort and not giving him any reward?
I'm not talking about starting him or making him playing a whole half, I'm talking about giving him 10 or 5 minutes so he doesn't lose his morale and keeps working.
Gedson, Sissoko and the rest of the squad were on top of him in the rotation
This season Tanguy has to play yes or yes, he's a very very important investment of the club and we need to know as soon as possible if he suits in the team or not because time will only make him lose value.

IMO : I think that in the Tanguy issue there is something more in the background that we don't know.
It may be that Tanguy being a signing of Poch makes Mourinho does not feel him as "his"

8. This point connects with 7 and 3.
I feel a lot of hostility from him towards Poch
I think that many players who were favored by Poch are having their minutes reduced and many others who were disfavoured by Poch are seeing their minutes increased without taking into account at any time the physical condition and performance of each one.

This is just my opinion, I hope no one is offended by it.
 
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1. Always been Mourinho's way.

3. Doubt Mourinho has won as much as he had simply selecting "friends" over talent.

4. Again, always been Mourinho's way...trophy count says it works. Guardiola is advantaged in this respect, as for his entire career practically every squad he's ever selected has been overwhelmingly more talented man for man than their opponents. Apples to oranges, mate. Guardiola would be shit with an average squad, Mourinho wouldn't.

6. No one expected Mourinho to be here long time, least of all Mourinho or Levy.

8. Absurd to think Mourinho is jealous of Poch and punishing his "favorites". If anything Mourinho is likely looking at the fact that Poch's favoured selections did so well that they got Poch, who the club loved, sacked. Only a fool would follow in the footsteps of a dead man.
 
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