All the little cherubs will be upset today
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I didn't see anyone not trying, they might have bad games, make mistakes, be rusty, lack some confidence, but not trying is bollocks. You throw together an irregular team, away from home, with players some of whom don't play much and it's hard to expect much else.
It's my fault but now you know why I don't pick certain players? Hmmm, doesn't sound like he's taking full responsibility to me. The buck stops with the manager - by all means let the players have it behind closed doors but never throw them under the bus in public. He's got the squad he wanted by and large, now get on with the job of coaching them.
The movement and final ball was piss poor tonight in both halves and it wasn't any better on Monday. I suggest he works on that in training before anything else.
Jose struggles against defensive sides, he prefers to counter attack attacking teams but tonight they suckered us at our own game and should've scored 3.
The squad is a team that must come together, I don't wanna hear petulant outbursts from manager or players, shut your gob and do you job. It's ok to say 'the performance wasn't good enough tonight '.
It's not ok to say 'now you know why I don't pick some of these lot'. That's not unity, it's separation and it should be dealt with behind closed doors.
We all want him to succeed and in pushing Levy and helping to attract players he has in large part. But there's always the ego with Jose, the charisma as he calls it, but charismatic types often tend to be selfish/self centred types too. And they're not often the type to suffer criticism very well but rather deflect it - and that wears thin after a while. He's got 2 maybe 3 seasons max to do the business before his shine fades and becomes dull and tired. Quicker he gets on with it the better.
While i don't disagree with his comments for one moment, I do wonder if this is where the rot starts to set in.
We know many of these players feel self entitled and feel normal life rules do not apply to them. They need and want an arm around their shoulder, rather than the public managerial criticism. Hopefully, our players are big enough to see the criticism for what it is and kick on, but if a couple of strong characters take issue with it, will he start to "lose the dressing room". We all know the cycle, it is there for all to see with Jose and the clubs he has been at before.
Again, not criticising his comments, needed to be said, just that will be interesting to see how the players react. That team should have been good enough to get the job done last night without a panic mass substitution. It isn't like they were all just thrown together, they see each other and train with each other every day.
I think the difference may be that’s there’s enough players on board the Jose train that he can make these comments and they’re not affected so he keeps momentum. His A team ‘get it’ and buy his ideas; they’ll be self-critical and realise we played badly.While i don't disagree with his comments for one moment, I do wonder if this is where the rot starts to set in.
We know many of these players feel self entitled and feel normal life rules do not apply to them. They need and want an arm around their shoulder, rather than the public managerial criticism. Hopefully, our players are big enough to see the criticism for what it is and kick on, but if a couple of strong characters take issue with it, will he start to "lose the dressing room". We all know the cycle, it is there for all to see with Jose and the clubs he has been at before.
Again, not criticising his comments, needed to be said, just that will be interesting to see how the players react. That team should have been good enough to get the job done last night without a panic mass substitution. It isn't like they were all just thrown together, they see each other and train with each other every day.
Because they are. Dier playing last night means Sanchez or Davies doesn’t, which probably means no goal for them. Blame Davies for the mistake, yes, but our left was targeted because Reggie had wandered off upfield all the time and Davies is slower as a CB chasing back and Sanchez doesn’t drop in to cover because he struggled for position if he isn’t instructed by Toby / Dier. Aurier is more defensively minded so it’s a no-brainer for RA to lump the ball into the massive space on our left. Sometimes it will be picked up by MF or CB, sometimes not. Few CBs facing goal in that situation are going to look particularly brilliant. (I guess you could also ask where was the communication from the other players for the need of urgency?).Its all well and good Mourinho saying what he said but we all know players like Davies and Dier are not included in it. They can stink up the place and he will still consider them to be important players.
Its all well and good Mourinho saying what he said but we all know players like Davies and Dier are not included in it. They can stink up the place and he will still consider them to be important players.
Is it the word Euphoria you're struggling with? From it you could deduce my.....yes yes.... PLEASURE. Oh look this post looks more astute on the Friday morning than when you actually misinterpreted it on Thursdaymorning. Hold off on canonising anyone folks we are seriously a work in progress. We are a model of inconsistency. I'm pretty sure I know where it stems from and so Jose will, is he up to fixing itSo only our wins need context? Blimey.
Oh well. I hope you can find some pleasure in our form this season. We are both Spurs fans after all. COYS!
No from me you won't I was brve/mad enough to say it before the game. People only see what they want. I get euphoric like every one else but we also need to be honest. Once we have done the fantasy.This is a funny and endearing comment, but it shouldn’t detract from the fact that he picked the team and set out the tactics tonight. He is at least partially culpable.
I’m gonna get pelters for this, but there’s been far too much Jose love over the last week for my liking. Yes, he says all the right things, but this has been a season of mixed performances so far.
We’ve played well in patches (Utd, Newcastle, Soton 2nd half, against some sub-par EL competition), and poor in others (Everton, West Ham 2nd half, Burnley, tonight).
We have a squad capable of competing in every competition IMO, and I truly do trust Jose to get tactics and team selection right against the big teams.
But we are not great against poor sides. Going back to last season with performances against Bournemouth and Sheff U, if we don’t get an early lead we really struggle to impose our will onto opponents. For me, my frustration with Jose has never been about possession or lack of attacking intent, I just wish he played higher up the pitch. I truly believe that would help us “impose” ourselves on the weaker teams more.
Burnley was a perfect example of this; they had no pacey threat in behind and 2 CM’s without attacking intent, and yet we still sat too deep for me. It meant we never won the ball high up the pitch and allowed Burnley to “shape up” defensively against us, that suits them perfectly.
We’ve had a big influx of new players so there were always likely to be some teething issues, but performances like tonight and Burnley (yes I know we won) are as much because of Jose as the great Utd performance was.
In fairness you don’t see Klopp throw players under the bus in public so let’s not make out it’s some prerequisite to winning trophies, because it isn’t.This is similar rant to what i have read on united forum , but having a manager who take full responsibility , never slate players publicly and have no ego because he has a bad cv, too afraid to be sacked and just feel very grateful to be there , won't bring you anything, United were trophyless since Jose left and will remain like that for awhile. A top manager have to set some level of standard and have to set some level of ambition and they shouldn't allow anything to lower the level. Only a loser said anything is their fault. Those player being paid handsomely because they are also a public figure so they must also be able to handle public criticism, it's not manager job to pamper their ego on public, this isn't kindergarten where a one of the teacher job is to clean all the shite and pamper the children. If you don't like your favorite player being blamed for putting shite performance then that's your problem.
I feel he proper panicked last night with those half time changes.
Why couldn't he give the players that played in the first half a chance to get their act together and turn it around along with him tweaking tactics
Embarrassing players after not even giving them a chance to put things right is not good
i think there are certain players who keep asking for playing times and that was the shite they served after he gave them chances. To be honest, i would have thrown them under the bus as well if i was him.In fairness you don’t see Klopp throw players under the bus in public so let’s not make out it’s some prerequisite to winning trophies, because it isn’t.
Having said that I don’t really have much of an issue with what he said yesterday, he has a tendency to go over the line but I don’t think yesterday was that. I don’t want to see him call individuals out in public though, it achieves zero. Lay into them in the dressing room if you must.
There may come a time when that player is needed because of injuries , and you don’t want him playing with a sense of dread that one bad 45 mins and his manager is going to criticise him to the press....
I'm not talking about this game...I'm talking generally.Davies isn't a first XI player..... Dier didn't play.
I'm not talking about this game...I'm talking generally.
Dier and Davies can do no wrong in Mourinhos eyes. Yes Davies has finally been dropped but he literally couldn't do anything else as Reguillon looked so good.
But truelmfao
Brutal.