Jose Mourinho

Do you accept Jose Mourinho as your saviour?

  • Yes

    Votes: 429 70.1%
  • No

    Votes: 183 29.9%

  • Total voters
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Jose rationalizing and lamenting is getting tiresome. Yes, I think us as a team have a somewhat soft mentality, but Jose is getting the tactics all wrong especially with teams we are superior to on a man to man basis. There should be no reason we are sitting on 1 nil leads. We need to develop a killer instinct and really pile on against the Fulham's, Crystal Palace's, and Newcastle's of the league.
 
Chelsea actually have Fulham - it's Leicester that have Southampton. But if we win on Sunday - wouldn't we technically be hoping for a Liverpool win?

On Sunday, if we beat Sheff Utd, let's just say the worst happens and Everton, Man City and Leicester all win.

Liverpool win would leave the table like:

1. Liverpool - 36
2. Man Utd - 36
3. Man City - 35
4. Leicester - 35
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
5. Everton - 35
6. Tottenham -33


Draw would see it like this:

1. Man Utd - 37
2. Man City - 35
3. Leicester - 35
4. Everton - 35
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
5. Liverpool - 34
6. Tottenham - 33



Would we want a draw knowing 4 points behind United is catchable with them still to come to White Hart Lane, Stamford Bridge, Etihad etc. and only being 1 point behind Liverpool or do we want a Liverpool win knowing we're just 3 points off top with both Liverpool and Utd to come to the Lane?
You're right, it's Leicester, which is even better for us. That means all teams (except City) between us are playing each other this weekend.

I'm not too bothered about the League at the moment but I’m not sure we’d fare well against Liverpool with the coming off a lost to United, so a draw would be preferred. Assuming we beat Sheffield on Sunday, best case scenario from the latter two matches would be two draws. That would have us in the top 4 on GD.

Next three matches for Leicester are Southampton, Chelsea, Everton.

Southampton-->Leicester, Woolwich, Villa

Everton-->Villa, Leicester, Newcastle​

We've got Sheffield, Liverpool, Brighton. 7pts at the end of the month could see us in 4th(?)

LC aren't getting all 9pts. Southampton are behind us 1pt, their fixtures is pretty brutal from now until March, I could see them dropping off a bit. DCL is out with a hamstring injury, Everton will struggle without him.
 

Blanchflower

Supporter
You're right, it's Leicester, which is even better for us. That means all teams (except City) between us are playing each other this weekend.

I'm not too bothered about the League at the moment but I’m not sure we’d fare well against Liverpool with the coming off a lost to United, so a draw would be preferred. Assuming we beat Sheffield on Sunday, best case scenario from the latter two matches would be two draws. That would have us in the top 4 on GD.

Next three matches for Leicester are Southampton, Chelsea, Everton.

Southampton-->Leicester, Woolwich, Villa

Everton-->Villa, Leicester, Newcastle​

We've got Sheffield, Liverpool, Brighton. 7pts at the end of the month could see us in 4th(?)

LC aren't getting all 9pts. Southampton are behind us 1pt, their fixtures is pretty brutal from now until March, I could see them dropping off a bit. DCL is out with a hamstring injury, Everton will struggle without him.

I honestly don't know why you are going through the various permutations, we are fucking shit. Trying to assign us wins in games going forwards is ridiculous, we've won 2/8.

We are a great team to play for the lower teams, who are happy with a draw, they just need to let us score one, as that's the trigger for us to completely stop playing. They then have the rest of the match to equalise.
 
What i would love is a fan of Mourinhos stint with us to say what we are actually doing right under him that gives them that faith? To me his league pts to date are average at best, performances are dreadful, game management is poor, improvement of individual players is minimal if at all, entertainment is zero. No deflection about Poch, or Sissoko and Aurier....what is he doing right?
 
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Mourinhos record against last years relegated teams and this years bottom 3 so far, won 3, drawn 4. None of those 3 wins were by more than a single goal, Bournemouth 3-2, Norwich 2-1, WBA 1-0. Draws with Bournemouth, Norwich, Watford and Fulham.

3 or 4 years ago we were absolutely battering the lesser sides.

Nothing stays the same but we really are letting slip am opportunity......... again.

Different manager same outcomes looking very likely.
 

Tomo

Supporter
Falling into the same traps as Pochettino really.

4231 without the required personnel the biggest trap of them all.

I'd rather see us play 352 than that fucking 4231.

Its beyond embarrassing that a manager, with the honours list of Mourinho, can manage a team so poorly.

I've been one of the biggest supporters of Mourinho and I've been one of the most optimistic on here when it's come to our chances this season, but he lost me tonight.

Its at the point where despite beating shit, for the most part, and getting to a League Cup final (which at this rate we'll have no chance of winning), I'm actually dreading playing a team at the weekend who have ONE win in 6 months in the league.

If he delivers us a trophy this year. That should be him done and he should do the honourable thing and walk. Itd be a great achievement to win us our first trophy in 13 years but we can't go in like this.

And we cannot go into a third season knowing what we all know from his past.

Thing that annoys me is we had an amazing transfer window, we now have really good depth, at least as strong as United who are at the top of the league. I accept we have one or two issues at CB but why does he allow in the second half all the pressure to come on them. Every game it’s the same.
 
If we can finish top4 and no trophy , it will be a success.
No, us getting top four, would be a failure, and is based on the notion that all are opponents play like leeds.

Villa, Leicester,Everton all have a more balance style of play and thats not even including man city, liverpool and man u, who if push comes to shove will always be a threat with fernandes and those dodgy penalties.

We have dodgy centrebacks, toby is getting on, a really poor right back, including doherty and a non existent right hand side.
We have no brains in the middle of the park, and teams will catch on to marking ndombele out the game.

Jose will never change, as has been evident all season, and now his only strength is working against him, and many teams are doing a better job at it than him 'address late goals'.

Jose will be gone by the end of the season, there's no way he can make the defence or mdfield work without transfers.
Haasehutl will be his successor.

Playing sanchez, winks, sissoko and aurier and even dier, is a recipe for disaster, you can afford to carry one, without the chance of a none of them ballsing it up, coumpound that with tactics, and you are just pilling on unneccesary pressure.
 
Very good piece from Pitt-Brook. As always though when Teflon Jose speaks to sift the blame away from him and onto the players his disciples come out in their droves and do his dirty work in forums around the World. For those blaming our players, saying that they aren't "good enough" what do they think of Fulham's, Wolves, Leicesters, Palace's, West Ham's, Newcastle's and Everton's players?

Mourinho must share blame with Spurs players for blowing leads


There was no question who Jose Mourinho blamed for Tottenham throwing away their fifth lead of their season, dropping their ninth and tenth points from games in which they were ahead with 20 minutes left.

“This is the same story, basically, from the beginning of the season,” sighed Mourinho on his Zoom press conference, embodying the exasperation of Spurs fans everywhere.

“We can speak about not killing the game, yes, we can speak about that. Today was a clear situation we could and we should kill the game in the first half. But then you go back to the goals we concede, and it is not easy to assimilate that.”

Mourinho often likes to say that defending is a collective endeavour, but not this time. “There are things that have to be with the characteristics of the players,” he said. “There are things that are difficult, some things they have to do with the organisation of the team. But other things they have to do with individual skills, with individual ability. And it is as simple as that.”

And maybe it is. Davinson Sanchez was torn to pieces by Ademola Lookman in his cameo that changed the game, including a brilliant stabbed cross to set up the equaliser. Eric Dier, playing through a first-half injury, was beaten in the air by Ivan Cavaleiro. Neither of those defenders is perfect, and nor is Toby Alderweireld, a great player in his day but approaching his 32nd birthday and not as sharp as he was.

Mourinho says that he struggles to “assimilate” some of the goals his team have conceded recently and you can see why. Bad marking cost Spurs when Wolves’ Romain Saiss headed in Pedro Neto’s corner. Roberto Firmino’s headed winner for Liverpool at Anfield last month was no better. Leicester City’s second goal in the 2-0 defeat before Christmas was a defensive disaster. Jeffrey Schlupp bundled in a free-kick for Crystal Palace after Spurs failed to deal with it. The last nine minutes of the West Ham game still gives people nightmares.

And maybe if Mourinho could only click his fingers and replace Dier, Sanchez and Alderweireld with three fully-fit Virgil van Dijks then Spurs would not concede those goals or those leads and would currently be sat on top.

But is it really that simple? That the lack of “individual ability” of these defenders is what is keeping Tottenham off top? Those same defenders could point to the fact that they have still only conceded 16 goals in 17 league games so far this season, the joint second-best record in the league. Their record is not bad, and is comfortably better than Liverpool (21 in 17) or Manchester United (24 in 17).

Those defenders might also argue that they have a difficult job, put under more direct pressure than their counterparts at other teams. Tottenham are forced back so often that these guys spend long afternoons doing nothing but the dirty work of the job: heading, tackling, blocking, throwing themselves in front of every shot and cross. Eventually they are going to slip up.

Those same defenders might also deflect blame to the team’s attacking players. Because Tottenham missed chances on Wednesday night, enough chances to “kill the game”, as Mourinho put it afterwards. Harry Kane headed a Serge Aurier cross over the bar in the first half, an easier header than the one he scored. Son Heung-min hit the post in the second half. Finally, Son drifted offside, disallowing the “winner” he made for Sergio Reguilon at the end.

If Kane and Son had scored all of their chances then Tottenham would indeed have won. It is a logical-sounding argument — of course strikers should score all of their chances — but it is also a ludicrous fantasy. Kane and Son have been Spurs’ best players this season, and if your analysis is that their mistakes are holding Tottenham back then you have the question entirely inside-out.

Because the reality of this Spurs team is that it has been the brilliance of Kane and Son that has kept them going all season. The two men have 23 of their 30 league goals (76 per cent) and 16 of their 25 assists (64 per cent). They have been playing like gods, and for as long as they do that, Spurs will always have a chance.

Kane and Son might well wonder when anyone else will chip in with a few goals or even assists. One story of Spurs’ season has been how unbalanced their attack has been. In the league so far, Lucas Moura, Gareth Bale, Steven Bergwijn, Dele Alli, Erik Lamela and Giovani Lo Celso have 19 league starts but three goals between them. Tanguy Ndombele, their third-top scorer at the season’s half-way point, has two.

So do you blame Bergwijn, Bale and Lucas for not being as good as Kane and Son? That feels unfair; it is not their fault that they are not as good as the two most in-form attacking players in the country right now. Do you blame the creative players — Ndombele and Lo Celso — for not creating enough chances? Again, that looks like missing the point by miles, when the team as a whole does not see too much of the ball, and Ndombele makes magic happen every time he touches it. (In the first half against Fulham he looked like he was playing a different game from everyone else, producing half a dozen gaspingly good moments, each one its own unique story.)

Ultimately, if you want to get to the bottom of why it is still “the same story” for Spurs, after their sixth league draw of the season, and you can’t choose between blaming the defence, the attack or the midfield, maybe you should take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

Do you blame the defenders for their individual imperfections, or the system that forces them to defend so much until one of them eventually slips? Do you blame Kane and Son for not converting every single chance, or an approach to attacking that sees two individuals shoulder the burden of the whole team. Do you blame the midfield for not creating chances, or the fact they have to give up possession of the ball?

Ever since Mourinho arrived there has been plenty of talk about how he was a “proven winner” who would be able to bestow his “winning mentality” upon the players. This was meant to be his secret ingredient, the one advantage he had over Spurs teams of the recent past. And if Tottenham do beat Manchester City in the League Cup final, or win the FA Cup or Europa League, or even the Premier League, then that will be taken as proof of Mourinho instilling that magical spirit into his team.

But right now this team is turning wins into draws, and heading for a 67-point season. You would struggle to argue that this team has more of a “winning mentality” than the team that won 26 out of 38 league games in 2016-17. That approach required to grind out results in marginal games does not look any nearer now than it did before.

We are 14 months into the Mourinho era at Tottenham now. This is his team, with his signings, his strategy and his tactics. Their best days this year — Southampton, Manchester United, Manchester City, Woolwich and Leeds — have exemplified Mourinho’s strengths. But their worst days — all these costly avoidable draws — are down to his weaknesses. It is, as Mourinho might say, “as simple as that”.
 
Thing that annoys me is we had an amazing transfer window, we now have really good depth, at least as strong as United who are at the top of the league. I accept we have one or two issues at CB but why does he allow in the second half all the pressure to come on them. Every game it’s the same.

We don’t have good depth. That’s a complete myth that I also used to believe. Winks, Bale, Lucas, Davinson, Dele, they are not good enough to help the team win matches in the league. They are good enough to help us beat Europa League farmers and that’s it. At least this is what Mourinho’s selections imply.

Of course his safety first football is a massive issue and his mentality has drained some of the attacking intent out of the team, but our players are really not that good.
 
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