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Manager Jose Mourinho

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JohnH said:
You clearly have a inherent dislike of Mourinho.
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I have the opinion that he's "past it" as an elite manager. That's not an agenda though, it's an opinion.

Had we be playing or showing signs of playing with a level of competency and with the early promise of an identity forming then I'd be quite happy about it and I'd be pointing to that as signs of something to be encouraged about. In the absence of this, I speak of what I see. It hasn't been great so far and my posts reflect this, whilst I've acknowledged every good half of football and our one good performance under him following every single game.
 
Guido said:
Read it again and then again. At no point does that say or even remotely imply that Jose had a hand in Poch being replaced. Where the fuck does it say that?

I've taken the words of Jose and the Club from when we appointed Jose:
www.tottenhamhotspur.com

Jose Mourinho appointed new Head Coach

We are delighted to announce the appointment of Jose Mourinho as Head Coach on a contract that runs until the end of the 2022/23 season.
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www.independent.co.uk

Jose Mourinho claims Spurs ‘can win Premier League next season’

Mourinho will attempt to win Tottenham’s first title in 60 years
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
There are loads and loads of interviews and quotes that support this.
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You clearly said Jose and the board felt the club needed a change of manager.
 
Guido said:
I have the opinion that he's "past it" as an elite manager. That's not an agenda though, it's an opinion.

Had we be playing or showing signs of playing with a level of competency and with the early promise of an identity forming then I'd be quite happy about it and I'd be pointing to that as signs of something to be encouraged about. In the absence of this, I speak of what I see. It hasn't been great so far and my posts reflect this, whilst I've acknowledged every good half of football and our one good performance under him following every single game.
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How is he 'past it'?
Won trophies at all of his clubs.
Last club he was at - Man Utd, Last trophy he won - Man Utd.

How has he become 'past it'?
 
Guido said:
The utter shit you post is truly tragic.
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No mate, it’s the utter tripe that’s splattered across the pages of the forum by people like you who have defended a run of ELEVEN MONTHS without an away win, defended playing an injured player in the biggest game in the history of the club, slagged off the majority of the squad yet found time to defend Eriksen and Dele as world class footballers who should NEVER be benched.
You’ve called Trippier Champo.......but defended Pochs decision to play him over two “vastly superior” players who themselves haven’t done a single thing in terms of improving this side.

You claimed Poch deserved time after 5.5 years. TIME?? But you’re judging a world class 22 trophy manager as not being worth having because in two months he hasn’t got the same players that were destroyed physically and mentally under Poch, playing brilliant football.

Poch said he would leave the day before the CL final.....and by the summer, half the squad wanted out, and you STILL pine for him, despite everything he failed to achieve, or finish. 2 finals, 5 semis. LOST.
We were 14th and sailing into the abyss with nothing to look forward to.

We lost to Colchester. We lost 7-2 at home.
While Jose is “past it” despite his last two jobs in England yielding a PL title, an EL and CC and a 2nd place finish while Poch was being lauded for coming 3rd with the best team since the 60’s.

You are an embarrassment.
 
JohnH said:
You clearly said Jose and the board felt the club needed a change of manager.
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Read what I wrote again, and then again. I made no such assertion.

The board claimed the team needed to be reenergized - It's written in their official statement announcing Jose appointment! It is their official position.

Jose is on record as saying from his first press conf that this team is good enough. Jose's comments are on exactly on the same page as the Club's about the team is good enough, they are completely aligned and synced. It's like they sat down and decided what was to be communicated to the press.

At no point does the Club or Jose say what you imply. It is also therefore impossible for me to also imply the same.

Do you have any thoughts on communicating what our identity is yet, or are you just going to let that one slide?
 
Guido said:
Read what I wrote again, and then again. I made no such assertion.

The board claimed the team needed to be reenergized - It's written in their official statement announcing Jose appointment! It is their official position.

Jose is on record as saying from his first press conf that this team is good enough. Jose's comments are on exactly on the same page as the Club's about the team is good enough, they are completely aligned and synced. It's like they sat down and decided what was to be communicated to the press.

At no point does the Club or Jose say what you imply. It is also therefore impossible for me to also imply the same.

Do you have any thoughts on communicating what our identity is yet, or are you just going to let that one slide?
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What was he supposed to say? The team are dogshit?

For what it’s worth, now is the time we can begin to assess Jose. How will he deal with Dele? Will GLC start more. Will Tanganga break through?
 
sammyspurs said:
No mate, it’s the utter tripe that’s splattered across the pages of the forum by people like you who have defended a run of ELEVEN MONTHS without an away win, defended playing an injured player in the biggest game in the history of the club, slagged off the majority of the squad yet found time to defend Eriksen and Dele as world class footballers who should NEVER be benched.
You’ve called Trippier Champo.......but defended Pochs decision to play him over two “vastly superior” players who themselves haven’t done a single thing in terms of improving this side.

You claimed Poch deserved time after 5.5 years. TIME?? But you’re judging a world class 22 trophy manager as not being worth having because in two months he hasn’t got the same players that were destroyed physically and mentally under Poch, playing brilliant football.

Poch said he would leave the day before the CL final.....and by the summer, half the squad wanted out, and you STILL pine for him, despite everything he failed to achieve, or finish.
We were 14th and sailing into the abyss with nothing to look forward to.

We lost to Colchester. We lost 7-2 at home.
While Jose is “past it” despite his last two jobs in England yielding a PL title, an EL and CC and a 2nd place finish while Poch was being lauded for coming 3rd with the best team since the 60’s.

You are an embarrassment.
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:harrysmile:

"Back to you claimed this, I claimed that" bullshit. Fuck me all this on the back of me thinking Jose got it wrong in the first half yesterday and that he shouldn't have played Eriksen!

See ya.
 
Tbh Guido and Sammspurs you're both ridiculously biased when it comes to certain topics that it's best others simply ignore your points when it comes to said topic. It's sad you both don't see it but that's the reality of it.
 
Guido said:
Read what I wrote again, and then again. I made no such assertion.

The board claimed the team needed to be reenergized - It's written in their official statement announcing Jose appointment! It is their official position.

Jose is on record as saying from his first press conf that this team is good enough. Jose's comments are on exactly on the same page as the Club's about the team is good enough, they are completely aligned and synced. It's like they sat down and decided what was to be communicated to the press.

At no point does the Club or Jose say what you imply. It is also therefore impossible for me to also imply the same.

Do you have any thoughts on communicating what our identity is yet, or are you just going to let that one slide?
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Did you expect Mourinho to turn up at his a press conference and say something along the lines of - "This squad is awful and is in need of a full overhaul. At least 5 new players are needed"?

You clearly stated Jose and the board felt the club needed a change of manager. It is as clear as day. I'm not implying anything you stated it as fact!

I've already answered the 'identity' question, as stupid as the question was/is.
 
JohnH said:
How is he 'past it'?
Won trophies at all of his clubs.
Last club he was at - Man Utd, Last trophy he won - Man Utd.

How has he become 'past it'?
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I've posted loads and loads on this. I'm sure you've read the posts, if you haven't then they aren't too far back to find in this thread. Sorry for not posting again but for the sake of the forum there's nothing new I can add.

I'm not the only one that shares this view, some highly esteemed journalists far more eloquent than me have also mirrored my opinion and communicated better than me. I've also posted these articles and an excellent podcast from Tifo where Seb Stafford-Bloor summed up where he thinks Jose is.

I share these views totally:
 
Guido said:
I've posted loads and loads on this. I'm sure you've read the posts, if you haven't then they aren't too far back to find in this thread. Sorry for not posting again but for the sake of the forum there's nothing new I can add.

I'm not the only one that shares this view, some highly esteemed journalists far more eloquent than me have also mirrored my opinion and communicated better than me. I've also posted these articles and an excellent podcast from Tifo where Seb Stafford-Bloor summed up where he thinks Jose is.

I share these views totally:
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Never heard of Tifo or Seb Stafford-Bloor before, you carry on though.
 
Guido said:
The average time a manager is in a job is 165 days. At the end of the season, he will be almost exactly halfway through the average life expectancy, of course, he should be judged on what he's done on the previous days in office. He might have done a brilliant job by the end of the season, are you saying he should be judged if he's been brilliant and won us the CL, FA Cup and got us 2nd in the league?

Mourinho words: Jose Mourinho claims Spurs ‘can win Premier League next season’

No, I do not think Mourinho had a hand in Poch being removed, that's absurd, where the hell did you get that from?

An identity is something that's repeatable. It's synonymous to that particular team, Liverpool, City, Wolves, Leicester, Southampton, Burnley, Newcastle to name but a few play with an identity that defines them. In that list there are big differences to the identities but you know more or less how each of these teams are going to play win lose or draw. We play with no identity, no two games are alike and in many cases no two halves are alike.

If we have an identity, what is it? Describe how Tottenham play.

The trophies he won at Utd were the EL and League Cup. There was no open-top parade (there might be if we won those??) but this is the now boring and tiresome debate about the value of those competitions, the one thing that's clear is they are 100% not seen as an elite trophy however you choose to spin it. Stadia are empty whilst the teams play in the earlier rounds, only ever capacity is met in the final and even then I believe the League Cup hasn't sold out for nearly a decade! To win the EL first you have to fail to qualify for the CL. and no, this doesn't mean I don't want Spurs to win one of these. It's just it's not seen as an achievement by Utd, or else they would have celebrated it.

What is my agenda then mate?
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165 days? ....Surely that's all kinds of wrong?

....November > May is also a lot longer than 82.5 days.
 
JohnH said:
Did you expect Mourinho to turn up at his a press conference and say something along the lines of - "This squad is awful and is in need of a full overhaul. At least 5 new players are needed"?

You clearly stated Jose and the board felt the club needed a change of manager. It is as clear as day. I'm not implying anything you stated it as fact!

I've already answered the 'identity' question, as stupid as the question was/is.
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Are you seriously suggesting any manger would have even entertained the idea of communicating what you've just suggested as an alternative? Seriously? He didn't have to talk about the players at all, he could have focused all his communication on learning about the players, looking forward to working closely with them. There are loads of genuine alternative message he/they could have been drawn down.

Jose can say what the fuck he wants in any press conf. They exist for Spurs to control, as best as they can, the narrative around the Club. It's their conference, they set the agenda, they set the rules the press abide by, they also when they want to have the right to ask the press to refrain from certain questions being asked as has been demonstrated by our Press Officer Simon Felstein in previous press conferences.

So, the message that was communicated was a planned communication by the Club and Jose. It's what they wanted communicating, they would have prepared carefully what they wanted the message to be.

It's more than apparent that you interpreted incorrectly what was posted.

You haven't answered the question about what our identity is.
 
Guido said:
It's more than apparent that you interpreted incorrectly what was posted.

You haven't answered the question about what our identity is.
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Nope, I read exactly what was posted. Impossible to wrongly 'interpret' it.

Oh and about identity, I've answered the stupid question. Perhaps you haven't the ability to interpret what I said? :sneaky:


It's clear to everyone you have no time for Mourinho, you stupidly say he is past it without ANYTHING to back that up apart from some obscure youtube video. I'll leave you to it...
 
Cranston said:
What was he supposed to say? The team are dogshit?

For what it’s worth, now is the time we can begin to assess Jose. How will he deal with Dele? Will GLC start more. Will Tanganga break through?
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Of course not, what newly appointed Manager would ever do that? Has there ever been a case where someone has ever said that? The message though was a well-constructed one that ran inline with the Boards communications on Poch's sacking and Jose's appointment.

There are many other things he could have said without being specific on the squad e.g. I'm looking forward to working with them, learning about them etc.etc...

And that's exactly what I'm doing. I don't get what there is to defend. It's no difference who the manager is, at the end of the game win, lose or draw you discuss what you saw. Whether we were outplayed or dominated, whether we played well or shite, what the tactics wee or team selection was. You can use previous games to draw further conclusions or not. You can caveat comments with "it's only a few games" or not.

This is a football forum is it not?
 
Guido said:
Of course not, what newly appointed Manager would ever do that? Has there ever been a case where someone has ever said that? The message though was a well-constructed one that ran inline with the Boards communications on Poch's sacking and Jose's appointment.

There are many other things he could have said without being specific on the squad e.g. I'm looking forward to working with them, learning about them etc.etc...

And that's exactly what I'm doing. I don't get what there is to defend. It's no difference who the manager is, at the end of the game win, lose or draw you discuss what you saw. Whether we were outplayed or dominated, whether we played well or shite, what the tactics wee or team selection was. You can use previous games to draw further conclusions or not. You can caveat comments with "it's only a few games" or not.

This is a football forum is it not?
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The only thing he got wrong yesterday was playing Eriksen. I have my own issues with Dele, but expect him to play.

Other than that, not sure what else we could have tried. Sess for Rose?

If Jose plays Eriksen again then it’s on the manager.
 
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