Levy / ENIC OUT? New Poll 2020

[AberdeenYid]

You have completely forgotten how to have a cunt off, haven't you?

Try me.

 

[sammyspurs]

If you don’t like the topic of discussion - ignore the thread, mate - simples

Could say the same to you whenever someone criticises Ndombele or Dele right?

 

[ArcspacE]

Could say the same to you whenever someone criticises Ndombele or Dele right?

You still here?

 

[sammyspurs]

You still here?

Not talking about ENIC, just politely answered your quote

 

[BernardMatthews]

Even bringing back Bale can’t pull Daniel back to 50/50. Tough crowd.

Time to sign Messi??

Get back to the old 70/30 in/out split. Think that should do the trick.

 

[78Spur]

I'm suddenly feeling nostalgia for when we were talking about the size of Joe's Yacht...

 

[ChrissyWaddleShares]

Bale on loan for one season and no striker and the ENIC in votes still comes in. It's too easy for them.

You’re forgetting DM/ MF cover, new RB, new LB. It’s not just Bale.

It looks - very much- like Levy is trying to do what Jose wants. Who knows where Bale comes in Jose’s wish list, but it won’t do any harm if he has even a fraction of the influence of VdV, for example.

ENIC in votes are coming because Jose is clearly being backed; ENIC out votes seem to be because we are still short in one position (we do have CB cover, even if it’s not great). If the mythical striker arrives, and then a CB, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the comments change to - we need better strikers; we should have backed Poch...

Some just don’t like ENIC.

 

[MVP]

I get the desire for a decent second striker but personally I'd much rather spend any money we have on a quality experienced defensive midfield player ... we just scored five with Bale not even in the squad, do you see scoring goals still being a big problem for us?

We have the EPL's most lethal strike pairing in Son and Kane, so if we sign a decent striker would you drop either one of them for our new signing?

If one of Bale - Kane - Son gets injured we will play with a front two, if in the very unlikely event two of our front three get injured at the same time, then we have Clarke, Moura, Lamela, Bergwin, Dele to fill the gap.

In twelve months with luck we will have Parrot on the bench as well ...

So how much do you want to spend on a player who would imo barely kick a ball in the EPL this season?

My thinking was that PEH was supposed to be a DM but that's clearly not the case. I'm not the manager, Mourinho will decide how he wants to use the striker. If Levy does not agree with buying a new striker he should sack Mourinho and become manager himself.

All the chips are on Parrott but perhaps in 12 months Kane won't want to be here that brings a whole set of new problems.

 

[MVP]

I'm with you on PEH he is not and never has been a DM, he is the player who plays alongside or in front of the DM whose job is to disrupt the oppositions midfield. We won't see the best out of him unless we put a good DM alongside or behind him. Poor lad will get pelters all season if he's used in the wrong way.

Saying Mourinho will decide is a bit of an easy out - Mourinho has Bale, Kane and Son to fit in already, I'm pretty sure he's partly winding us up with his 'must have' striker media spin.

It may be he wants Dele out and a new Striker in ... he could then play 4-2-2-2 or 4-2-3-1 with Bale, Kane and Son all behind his new Striker ... imagine that rotating front four ... the issue with that is it leaves us with just six proper defenders and that's never been Mourinho's style, not to mention the 300m of midfield talent now confined to the bench.

In twelve months Bale could be back at RM, Son could be on his way to Barca and Kane to PSG ... Parrot may have bombed at Millwall and our new Striker could have scored 1 in 35 appearances ... but let's hope not.

It's not an easy way out, he's the manager and he wants a striker, it's not a wind up.
If we can't get a striker we should have never have told him that we will get one.

 

[Deleted member 13260]

Poll is live and has changed from 75% out to 53% - what exactly is your problem? This is a discussion board about Spurs and opinions will always differ

I don't have a problem. Just putting some praise towards the board on a thread about the Tottenham board.

Do you always bite? Ought to wear a muzzle mate.

 

[Igula]

When we lose the Levy / ENIC out massive are quick to lay blame towards them, yet winning well, looking in a strong position with personnel and infrastructure, and topping it off with a very good transfer window - are they never due some credit?

I'm not saying they're perfect, it's just that opinions should not be stubbornly set in stone. Credit where it's due. For me, we continue to move forward as a club with a long term vision.
There are of course still negatives - but there are plenty of positives about where we are right now compared with 1 year ago.

COYS

Interesting I would say the bolded is the biggest and most obvious complaint you could have about the club.

Everyone is very excited about this transfer window but it is very likely that in two years we will be looking to get a new RB, LB, Striker, DM, GK- all the spots we bought this window as well as needing at least one new CB.

The club seems to be taking a very short term win approach, and deciding to figure out the long term approach later.

 

[Igula]

Perhaps, but we need to make moves and refresh the squad every window anyway, as was proved so painfully over the past couple of years when not enough happens.
It may look short sighted, but trophies are won in individual seasons, and that's what we are crying out for right now.

I am not disagreeing that they are making a run at trophies just pointing out that it is at the cost of the long term plan.

 

[Igula]

Unless the long term plan was to get us to the point we could win some trophies?

I am all for a 'project' in the Pochettino sense. But, don't forget that he got us ahead of schedule on that project. We were supposed to be competing regularly for CL places, but only after the stadium had been secured. Poch got us there early, and even took us to a final.

Not rehashing whether or not we should have let him go, but certainly appointing a coach like Jose was a statement. It was saying: now we want silverware, and ultimately wasn't the ability to get silverware the entire point of the project?

If we get a nice couple of tin pots from Jose, then that makes any potential squad overhaul or enhancement easier in itself. Players want to join teams that win things, and even after Jose we will want to attract coaches who win things too. It has to start somewhere, or else 'long term' doesn't mean anything. Long term, we want to be a massive club competing for the highest honours in the sport, and actually winning some of them.

Poch took us massively forward, and probably over-acheived in terms of creating a football team. But it also burned out, and now we have that same backbone of a team, placed in the hands of a man who knows how to win what we all crave. In that sense, I dont think it's short term at all. Maybe it's finally the elusive 'big club' mentality we keep hearing so much about?


tl;dr: If this team wins trophies as a result of our short term spending, it makes it easier to attract replacements in the long term too.

I think that sounds like a nice idea but in practice having quality players at the club will likely have us winning much more than winning a few trophies will and we likely will need to replace upgrade all of the signings we made this window in two years.

That also assumes that we do win things. I think having a long term plan that is so out of our control is pretty weak. What happens if we don't win anything? Or only win the League Cup then what do we do? Is our long term plan shot to pieces then?

 

[Datzlo]

I think that sounds like a nice idea but in practice having quality players at the club will likely have us winning much more than winning a few trophies will and we likely will need to replace upgrade all of the signings we made this window in two years.

That also assumes that we do win things. I think having a long term plan that is so out of our control is pretty weak. What happens if we don't win anything? Or only win the League Cup then what do we do? Is our long term plan shot to pieces then?

I'm not understanding your proposed alternative. We always have to get new players, since that is football. Why do you think that getting players to win trophies is not the same as getting players who will have us winning?

I dun geddit...

 

[Igula]

I'm not understanding your proposed alternative. We always have to get new players, since that is football. Why do you think that getting players to win trophies is not the same as getting players who will have us winning?

I dun geddit...

I am saying that getting players that will be here long term is better long term planning than getting guys that will likely be replaced in 2 years.

Yes players will need to be replaced but there is a difference in buying guys in their early 20's versus their late 20's and 30's or buying guys with buy back clauses.

I think it is a risky long term plan to say that we will win trophies and that alone will make us better long term. I understand why Levy is doing what he is doing now, I just see it as a short term vision not a long term vision.

 

[Datzlo]

I am saying that getting players that will be here long term is better long term planning than getting guys that will likely be replaced in 2 years.

Yes players will need to be replaced but there is a difference in buying guys in their early 20's versus their late 20's and 30's or buying guys with buy back clauses.

I think it is a risky long term plan to say that we will win trophies and that alone will make us better long term. I understand why Levy is doing what he is doing now, I just see it as a short term vision not a long term vision.

Okay, understood. But here's where I disagree: there's no guarantee on potential any more than of silverware.

Yes, we could try and get more young, talented players in on 4-year contracts, hoping they blossom into world-beaters in our shirt. And then we lose them when Madrid feel like a new toy. Or, and this happens much more often: they don't turn out to be as good as we'd hoped and we will need to upgrade them in a couple of years anyway. The only upside there is that we'll probably get some money back for then in selling.

Well, even if Regui goes in 2 years for an upgraded buy-back fee, isnt that exactly the same in terms of cashflow? The difference is that Reg might help win us something while he is here, and make us an attractive destination, whereas some kid from Toulouse or whatever who is getting good reviews and has 'potential' most likely won't. The track record of success for that method isn't grand, is it?

Still not sure how our long term plan is serviced more by taking punts on potential than by signing quality players in the short term who can help make us a place that the REAL top quality punts want to come.

 

[Igula]

Okay, understood. But here's where I disagree: there's no guarantee on potential any more than of silverware.

Yes, we could try and get more young, talented players in on 4-year contracts, hoping they blossom into world-beaters in our shirt. And then we lose them when Madrid feel like a new toy. Or, and this happens much more often: they don't turn out to be as good as we'd hoped and we will need to upgrade them in a couple of years anyway. The only upside there is that we'll probably get some money back for then in selling.

Well, even if Regui goes in 2 years for an upgraded buy-back fee, isnt that exactly the same in terms of cashflow? The difference is that Reg might help win us something while he is here, and make us an attractive destination, whereas some kid from Toulouse or whatever who is getting good reviews and has 'potential' most likely won't. The track record of success for that method isn't grand, is it?

Still not sure how our long term plan is serviced more by taking punts on potential than by signing quality players in the short term who can help make us a place that the REAL top quality punts want to come.

But we didn’t do that, outside of Bale nobody that we signed does what you suggest.

No big names are coming here cause we signed Matt Doherty or PEH. Joe Hart isn’t attracting anyone.

We aren’t less likely to win by signing a quality 24 year old RB than we were signing Doherty. We aren’t worse off having a young goalie that could take over for Lloris in two years than Hart.

There is little to no chance that any signing we made makes us more or less attractive to the REAL top quality players you want.

 

[skywalker68]

I wonder what the Levy out brigade think has happened this last year to Levy. Especially this window when despite the stadium being finished we have no income from it and Weill undoubtedly make a huge loss this year.
Has he had a personality change and now wants to spend, spend. Spend?
Does he only spend when the team is in trouble like when Ramos got us in trouble.
Has Mourinho got an agreement that he must back him?
Was Poch part of the problem as I always suspected in not identifying viable purchases?
Or perhaps they still cannot forgive him for not buying anyone a couple of years ago?
More likely they simply do not know what to say.

I think it's a combination of things that has led to the success of this window.
The failure of not buying across two windows under poch helped lead to a decline, levy perhaps being backed into a corner and sensing fan unrest and that you don't hire a manager like Jose and don't fully back him.
There is no excuses now the manager and team are in place and need to finally deliver.

 

[kingdawson]

Have not changed my vote and never will

Went from 75% out to 45% - proof we have around 30% proper Levy cucks on here. Classic abused wife syndrome. Husbands beats her continuously for 3-4 years and eventually buys her a nice bouquet of flowers and now she loves him again. Meanwhile - he'll probably beat to her to a pulp again after a few Stellas

Out NOW

What are you on about????

All that shows is that you hold grudges, are stubborn, and you're not willing to change your opinion even if the person does something obviously good.

 

[The Outsider]

I truly hate him - will never change my stance

5 windows later he finally buys some decent players - everyone suddenly lining up for fascial. Sorry - not me, mate

Stubborn - having or showing dogged determination not to change one's attitude or position on something, especially in spite of good arguments or reasons to do so.