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Joan Thomas

Antonio Conte...For the voices that spoke out
A bizarre anomaly of this thread is those guys who endlessly support/praise/defend Levy take such offence at being labelled Levy Lovers ❤️

But if you criticise, call out, or attack Daniel Levy those very same people immediately label you as a Levy or ENIC Hater 👿

How strange.
 
Yeah most arsenals fans hate their owners. We are the only club I know who have so many fans who take it personal if you criticise their owners/chairman.
If I like levy as our chairman, I wouldn’t care that you don’t. You are entitled to your opinion. No skin off my nose if you hate him.
I wouldn’t get all upset & angry & defend him to death. As you can tell me being very happy to block anyone & never chat to them again.

Of all the people in the world to get emotionally protective & defensive of & over… they pick ………
.:levylol:.

I guess you can’t help who you feel protected over & love. It just comes naturally.


❤️ ♥️ :levystare: ❤️ ♥️
An utterly ridiculous post devoid of any context.

The Glaziers acquired Man Utd, the most successful club of the Premier League era and have turned them into a club that occasionally wins secondary competitions and competes and by no means certain to get into the Champions League. A huge backwards step. They are understandably reviled.

Stan Kroenke acquired Woolwich, probably the second most successful club of the same era (at acquisition) and has turned them into a club that occasionally wins silverware and has missed out on the CL for 5(?) consecutive seasons (after how many consecutive years of qualifying?) and missed out on all European competitions last year. Another massive backwards step. He is equally reviled.

Both these clubs are still far more successful than Brentford. Brentford won’t win anything in the foreseeable future yet Matt Benham(?) is beloved. No-one is asking him to sell-up because he’s not competing with Man Utd let alone Liverpool or City.

Context and expectations.

Now, let’s turn to our own beloved chairman, Danny Boy. He took over a middle of the table club that hadn’t qualified for Europe in more than a decade, had fought a couple of relegation battles and hadn’t finished higher than 7th.

Not the rags-to-riches Brentford story, I will grant you but certainly not worthy of the same contempt as The Glazers or Kroenke.
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I was involved in a Twitter conversation this morning with an ‘ENIC Out’ handle who insisted we should sell Lucas Moura. I tried to explain that contracts are bilaterally agreed and Lucas was planning to stay until his mutually agreed contract expired at which point he planned to return to São Paulo. The handle insisted on selling him to Brazil now. I pointed out that he would earn a great deal more in England next season than he would in Brazil. The handle insisted we should sell him now and that he would earn as much in Brazil as in England. I pointed out that the maximum earner on São Paulo earned about 22K a week but he insisted that we could force him out. I tried to point out that we had little leverage as Moura wasn’t going to lose international caps or future opportunities due to lack of playing time. It just didn’t matter to the guy I conversed with. He appeared to be clueless as to who David Bentley was and appeared utterly immune to any common sense or logic. This thread reminds me of that painful conversation.
 
A bizarre anomaly of this thread is those guys who endlessly support/praise/defend Levy take such offence at being labelled Levy Lovers ❤️

But if you criticise, call out, or attack Daniel Levy those very same people immediately label you as a Levy or ENIC Hater 👿

How strange.
A bizarre anomaly of this thread is those guys who endlessly criticise/call out/attack Levy take such offense at being labelled Levy haters.🤬

But if you state actual facts those very same people immediately label you as a Levy or Enic lover.❤️

How strange.
 
Now, let’s turn to our own beloved chairman, Danny Boy. He took over a middle of the table club that hadn’t qualified for Europe in more than a decade, had fought a couple of relegation battles and hadn’t finished higher than 7th.

I’m going to be pedantic, we qualified for Europe in 91 and 99 so that statement isn’t correct. ENIC and Danny boy arrived in 2001.
 
I’m going to be pedantic, we qualified for Europe in 91 and 99 so that statement isn’t correct. ENIC and Danny boy arrived in 2001.
I stand corrected. You’re absolutely correct. I forgot about our big win in Moldova in 1999.
Can you remember the name of the team we beat? Should definitely be in a Spurs quiz 😀😀
 
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I stand corrected. You’re absolutely correct. I forgot about our big win in Moldova in 1999.
Can you remember the name of the team we beat? Should definitely be in a Spurs quiz 😀😀
U are banging on about context but only include a comparison to the performance under the prior chairman who was a low benchmark and reviled.

In the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s we showed ambition and innovation to compete and win things. A glamour side. Yes performances were mixed but were undoubtedly a glamour side - that hasn’t returned under ENIC really.

The view you shared is polarised and as one sided as the ENICOUT Neanderthal….. I despise ENIC but they are definitely not Kroenke/Glazers levels of shite, but you can’t ignore the lack of trophies and inability to strive to push that extra bit. After 20+ years, have they learned from their mistakes? If ever there was a time to pivot, create funding and back a manager it’s now. Interesting summer ahead
 

Shadydan

ENIC hokey cokey
U are banging on about context but only include a comparison to the performance under the prior chairman who was a low benchmark and reviled.

In the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s we showed ambition and innovation to compete and win things. A glamour side. Yes performances were mixed but were undoubtedly a glamour side - that hasn’t returned under ENIC really.

The view you shared is polarised and as one sided as the ENICOUT Neanderthal….. I despise ENIC but they are definitely not Kroenke/Glazers levels of shite, but you can’t ignore the lack of trophies and inability to strive to push that extra bit. After 20+ years, have they learned from their mistakes? If ever there was a time to pivot, create funding and back a manager it’s now. Interesting summer ahead

So now we are blaming ENIC for not returning us to the glory days of the 60s, 70s and 80s despite the fact they inherited a complete mess of a club thanks to the damage done by Scholar and Sugar.

This isn't a serious thread.
 
So now we are blaming ENIC for not returning us to the glory days of the 60s, 70s and 80s despite the fact they inherited a complete mess of a club thanks to the damage done by Scholar and Sugar.

This isn't a serious thread.
Not blaming them for that….. just adding some broader context as I feel a compare vs Sugar is a low benchmark and not aligned with our history. Have they been awful? No. Could they have done better? Yes
 
U are banging on about context but only include a comparison to the performance under the prior chairman who was a low benchmark and reviled.

In the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s we showed ambition and innovation to compete and win things. A glamour side. Yes performances were mixed but were undoubtedly a glamour side - that hasn’t returned under ENIC really.

The view you shared is polarised and as one sided as the ENICOUT Neanderthal….. I despise ENIC but they are definitely not Kroenke/Glazers levels of shite, but you can’t ignore the lack of trophies and inability to strive to push that extra bit. After 20+ years, have they learned from their mistakes? If ever there was a time to pivot, create funding and back a manager it’s now. Interesting summer ahead
That isn’t relevant context. As a chairman you can only progress the club from where it actually is, not where it was 20-40 years prior. You think wolves have been able to trade in on past glories? Preston North End? Nottingham Forest? There are financial realities that are far more important.

The only benefit of previous eras of glory to ENIC was some lingering reputation when signing players. But that’s of limited value. We were WAY behind Utd, Woolwich and Liverpool. More akin to Everton.

3 years after Enic took over Abramovic took over. 7 years after ENIC took over Sheikh Mansour took over.

That’s pretty exculpatory evidence.
 

Joan Thomas

Antonio Conte...For the voices that spoke out
Another page dedicated to using the 90s as a benchmark to judge ENIC. (even though we won more in the 90s than in the two decades+ since)

At what point to the Levy freaks jump off their high horse and accept we are one of the biggest, wealthiest, best supported clubs in the county and should actually be, you know, winning stuff once in a while.

2040? 2050? Would 1 league Cup in 50 years be the tipping point?

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Another page dedicated to using the 90s as a benchmark to judge ENIC. (even though we won more in the 90s than the two decades+ since)

At what point to the Levy freaks jump of their high horse and accept we are won of the biggest, wealthiest, best supported clubs in the county and should actually be, you know, winning stuff once in a while.

2040? 2050? Would 1 league Cup in 50 years be the tipping point?
we won the audi cup recently
 
Not blaming them for that….. just adding some broader context as I feel a compare vs Sugar is a low benchmark and not aligned with our history. Have they been awful? No. Could they have done better? Yes
ENIC could only take us from where we were at the time they acquired us.

If the current owners of Nottingham Forest get them back to the Premier League and stay there, are you going to deem them failures because they haven’t won back-to-back European champions? You’re using the same argument.

We would all like to see us move forward from where we are and we would all like to see Lewis invest more and invest smarter but let’s not pretend the club he acquired was at the same level as the club in the early eighties when we were Woolwich’s peers (or at the same level as we are now). We basically missed out on the most explosive growth period of English football and it put us behind the 8 ball for more than a decade. ENIC brought us close to parity with those clubs again and I give them a heap of credit for that. It’s also given our new fans a sense of entitlement. There’s still lots of work to do but anyone who says that ENIC have taken us backward is either stupid or a liar.
 
ENIC could only take us from where we were at the time they acquired us.

If the current owners of Nottingham Forest get them back to the Premier League and stay there, are you going to deem them failures because they haven’t won back-to-back European champions? You’re using the same argument.

We would all like to see us move forward from where we are and we would all like to see Lewis invest more and invest smarter but let’s not pretend the club he acquired was at the same level as the club in the early eighties when we were Woolwich’s peers (or at the same level as we are now). We basically missed out on the most explosive growth period of English football and it put us behind the 8 ball for more than a decade. ENIC brought us close to parity with those clubs again and I give them a heap of credit for that. It’s also given our new fans a sense of entitlement. There’s still lots of work to do but anyone who says that ENIC have taken us backward is either stupid or a liar.
Agree and I didn’t say they had taken us backwards.
 
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