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nigel6305 said:
No..I'm saying levy does not care about us winning trophies and being successfull.
For him getting into the top 4 is enough to keep us all quiet and spending more money in his gold mine.
We will all see soon enough if he keeps to his word of once we have the facilities we can push on and really compete.. I know this will never happen not whilst he is in charge, we make enic plenty of money especially with the new stadium.
They have no need or want to actually be successful, if they did we would nog keep shopping in the bargain basement or for the players the other big clubs pass on. They would realistically back a manager like the other top clubs do, and even Leicester seem to do also..Because we all know that without players as good as the other big clubs then you cannot compete with those clubs. All big business works the same, compete or just stagnate, ask Nokia if they wish they had competed with apple and samsung when they ruled the phone world.....when lmao we win something an Start to really compete you can have the moral high ground to tell me how wrong I was.
Bug I wouldn't be getting to excited about that day for a while if I was you.
Ic I am honest I hope I get to see that day and will honestly be as happy as a pig in shit the day you give me an ear bashing that I will deserve.
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In answer to the question “so you’re saying Levy doesn’t want us to win”, you respond with “no, I’m saying he doesn’t care about winning trophies”. But you said “no” first, so must agree he wants us to win matches. Do you know what you get when you win all your matches, like you agree Levy wants us to? You get trophies. So he does want and care about trophies. Anything else makes no sense.

Also got to pick you up on Leicester backing their manager. Jealous of many of their massive signings in the last couple of years are you? Been crying yourself to sleep over missing out on Dennis Praet from Sampdoria (don’t worry, I’d never heard of him either)? I’m sure if we’d spent £30m on Perez from Newcastle, we’d be top of the league by now. Went so well last time we gave fucking Newcastle that kind of money didn’t it? Or maybe James Justin from Luton would have us pumping Bayern by 7 rather than the other way round? Their only decent signing was Tielemans and he was already there on loan. Backing the manager my arse.
 
The state of some of the posts on here:
1. Best stadium in Europe / world.
2. New, incredibly successful manager in place.
3. 100+m spent (assuming GLC loan contract bought out) in summer.
4. CL final a few months ago.

Yes, we’ve struggled against ‘lower’ teams, but so have the big spenders: Utd lost to Watford; Scum beaten by Saints and so on.

It all smacks of massive confirmation bias. In all cases: what would ENIC need to do to make you change your mind about them? If there is nothing (realistic in the - you know - actual world) then it’s confirmation bias and you’re no longer acting without bias.

Here’s a picture of Alan Partridge to hide the irritation in my post:




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pipes said:
In answer to the question “so you’re saying Levy doesn’t want us to win”, you respond with “no, I’m saying he doesn’t care about winning trophies”. But you said “no” first, so must agree he wants us to win matches. Do you know what you get when you win all your matches, like you agree Levy wants us to? You get trophies. So he does want and care about trophies. Anything else makes no sense.

Also got to pick you up on Leicester backing their manager. Jealous of many of their massive signings in the last couple of years are you? Been crying yourself to sleep over missing out on Dennis Praet from Sampdoria (don’t worry, I’d never heard of him either)? I’m sure if we’d spent £30m on Perez from Newcastle, we’d be top of the league by now. Went so well last time we gave fucking Newcastle that kind of money didn’t it? Or maybe James Justin from Luton would have us pumping Bayern by 7 rather than the other way round? Their only decent signing was Tielemans and he was already there on loan. Backing the manager my arse.
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In terms of how much money they generate I think they have been backing managers yes.
They are happy to spend 30 million or more if needed levy waited untill almost every other club had spent that much before buying a 30 million player.. we are bigger than most of those clubs and should have been spending those sums years ago like liverpool and even Woolwich do...we are never going to agree mate, as you clearly love levy and I think he is a parasite.
Bug that is what these forums are for, so we can agree to disagree peacefully
 
nigel6305 said:
No..I'm saying levy does not care about us winning trophies and being successfull.
For him getting into the top 4 is enough to keep us all quiet and spending more money in his gold mine.
We will all see soon enough if he keeps to his word of once we have the facilities we can push on and really compete.. I know this will never happen not whilst he is in charge, we make enic plenty of money especially with the new stadium.
They have no need or want to actually be successful, if they did we would nog keep shopping in the bargain basement or for the players the other big clubs pass on. They would realistically back a manager like the other top clubs do, and even Leicester seem to do also..Because we all know that without players as good as the other big clubs then you cannot compete with those clubs. All big business works the same, compete or just stagnate, ask Nokia if they wish they had competed with apple and samsung when they ruled the phone world.....when lmao we win something an Start to really compete you can have the moral high ground to tell me how wrong I was.
Bug I wouldn't be getting to excited about that day for a while if I was you.
Ic I am honest I hope I get to see that day and will honestly be as happy as a pig in shit the day you give me an ear bashing that I will deserve.
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I think levy would be happy if we won something but I agree I don't think he is that motivated by winning anything if it happens then fine, top four finances is what keeps him happy along with charging us the "customer" top prices but not bringing any success to the club.
We have just become Woolwich happy with top four but no pressure on anyone to win anything or seemingly no desire to either.
 
What is best for the club is making money and sustaining a high profile. Winning the League Cup or FA Cup doesn't actually help the club much. It's just a temporary euphoria for the fans and players.

Levy has always done what is best for the club, in my opinion. Sure he has made some poor decisions, but I've never doubted his motives. I'm certain Levy personally would love a trophy as much as any fan...but he is not just a fan, he is responsible for the well being of the club.
 
rhenkt said:
What is best for the club is making money and sustaining a high profile. Winning the League Cup or FA Cup doesn't actually help the club much. It's just a temporary euphoria for the fans and players.

Levy has always done what is best for the club, in my opinion. Sure he has made some poor decisions, but I've never doubted his motives. I'm certain Levy personally would love a trophy as much as any fan...but he is not just a fan, he is responsible for the well being of the club.
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A fantastic response Mr chairman thank you for taking the time to respond.
 
stevee said:
Don't you know that Levy/Enic have been trying to sell the club from the day before they took over.
Why would they want us to win trophies, it's not as of that would make us more attractive to buyers......................................Oh wait.
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Well if it's all about trophies mate they have the worst record in the clubs history.

If it's all about profit, they have the best record in the clubs history.

But yeah, of course, winning stuff is their priority

:memeokay:
 
stevee said:
It hasn't gone into Levy's/Enic's back pocket as some people would claim.

*Essential for us to compete
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Well, as you'll surely accept, Levy's widely acknowledged position the highest paid CEO in Europe, let alone England, suggests they aint doing too badly from the operation. A nice little earner, eh?

Well deserved, you might say?
Maybe. But again, not if trophies, and not profits, are the barometer of success.

If you really think their main motivation is success on the pitch how do you justify a) Levy's unparalleled salary along side b) Our pitiful record of one League cup in 19 years.

It don't add up mate.
 
John Thomas said:
Well, as you'll surely accept, Levy's widely acknowledged position the highest paid CEO in Europe, let alone England, suggests they aint doing too badly from the operation. A nice little earner, eh?

Well deserved, you might say?
Maybe. But again, not if trophies, and not profits, are the barometer of success.

If you really think their main motivation is success on the pitch how do you justify a) Levy's unparalleled salary along side b) Our pitiful record of one League cup in 19 years.

It don't add up mate.
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Only if you have no concept of a CEO's job ... and clearly you don't ... a CEO's job is to maximise shareholder return, Spurs have seen the biggest net value growth of any football club in the world over the last twenty years. Ergo Levy has been the most successful football CEO in that period. But that's probably a bit hard for you to understand so stick with your 'only trophies matter' and believe that last year 90 UK football CEO's were failures ... if that level of negativity is what gets you through the day, then you go for it.
 
ChrissyWaddleShares said:
The state of some of the posts on here:
1. Best stadium in Europe / world.
2. New, incredibly successful manager in place.
3. 100+m spent (assuming GLC loan contract bought out) in summer.
4. CL final a few months ago.
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1. Coupled with the most expensive ticket price in the world and labelled Anchor Tenants by our own marketing director.

2. Who's been sacked from his last 3 appointents

3. Following 2 windows of zero expenditure where we shat on the most promising, invigorating manager in a generation. Your most patronising ridiculous point of the four

4. Achieved by the above manager under the above circumstances only to be sacked . instead of backed.

We can't just keep pretending these things didn't happen mate.
 
BangkokSpud said:
Only if you have no concept of a CEO's job ... and clearly you don't ... a CEO's job is to maximise shareholder return, Spurs have seen the biggest net value growth of any football club in the world over the last twenty years. Ergo Levy has been the most successful football CEO in that period. But that's probably a bit hard for you to understand so stick with your only 'trophies' matter and believe that last year 90 football CEO's were failures ... if that negativity is what gets you through the day, then you go for it.
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Thanks for backing me up and consolidating my point.

You think Levy has earned his record busting salary because the main driving force and parameter of success is profit and growth. That's fine.
 
John Thomas said:
1. Coupled with the most expensive ticket price in the world and labelled Anchor Tenants by our own marketing director.

2. Who's been sacked from his last 3 appointents

3. Following 2 windows of zero expenditure where we shat on the most promising, invigorating manager in a generation. Your most patronising ridiculous point of the four

4. Achieved by the above manager under the above circumstances only to be sacked . instead of backed.

We can't just keep pretending these things didn't happen mate.
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Just be nice to look at positives for once? I would like to think we can be grateful for what we do have, and the journey we are on. Calling (3) ‘patronising and ridiculous’ is a little unnecessary, as it was intended as a response to people saying no money’s been spent: it clearly has and is.

Seeing City -with all their spending - lose last night, means it’s probably not about backing the manager? Or are they given a free pass because they’ve won something recently?

I guess I’m more interested in what seen inconsistent points. People want trophies, but not a manager who has a proven history of winning them (or not to pay him to win them?); people want a manager to be backed, but two seasons ago, not last summer...and so on.

I’m not pretending they didn’t happen, but some seem to be ignoring the fact of what a strong position we are in now to move forward? Surely, you must agree that we have a better team, better stadium, better positioning for longevity, than we have ever had before??
 
John Thomas said:
Thanks for backing me up and consolidating my point.

You think Levy has earned his record busting salary because the main driving force and parameter of success is profit and growth. That's fine.
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No John you fail to understand - he is paid to produce profit and growth - as the CEO that's his job.

Stick with your negative bollocks if you must but don't try lecturing us on what a CEO does ... some of us have been there and done that, so believe me we know.
 
John Thomas said:
Well, as you'll surely accept, Levy's widely acknowledged position the highest paid CEO in Europe, let alone England, suggests they aint doing too badly from the operation. A nice little earner, eh?

Well deserved, you might say?
Maybe. But again, not if trophies, and not profits, are the barometer of success.

If you really think their main motivation is success on the pitch how do you justify a) Levy's unparalleled salary along side b) Our pitiful record of one League cup in 19 years.

It don't add up mate.
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Well if you consider all the semi finals and the few finals we have reached, and then say that Levy doesn't want to win trophies, that doesn't add up either.
Unless of course you're suggesting that Levy wanted us to lose those games
 
stevee said:
Well if you consider all the semi finals and the few finals we have reached, and then say that Levy doesn't want to win trophies, that doesn't add up either.
Unless of course you're suggesting that Levy wanted us to lose those games
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I've never said Levy doesn't want to win trophies. Ever.
I've never said he wants to lose games. Ever.
I've said he doesn't prioritise it and will never jeopardise boardroom profit margins in pursuit of silverware.
Surely our nineteen year record under his stewardship backs this up?
Surely not backing Pochettino with a single new signing for 2 windows when he was publicly begging for support backs this up.

If you genuinely think Levy and Lewis prime motivation is winning titles and trophies they must be absolutely devastated with the results after the first 19 years, mustn't they?
 
I dont know any business, sports club, etc that have a single priority. Not one.

Strange that we have people who think we only have one.

Wonder where the line is? Wonder what Levy would prefer? Or what the board would prefer?

1. 4th in the league, knocked out in both cups and CL semis with £200m profit?
2. 4th in league, knocked out of Kangaroo, win FA Cup and win CL with £190m of profit?

Option 2 is less profit but I’m pretty sure that every board member would give their balls for it. But surely I’m wrong as profit is OUR ONLY PRIORITY. Apparently.
 
stevee said:
Which has been ploughed back into the club. Such as new facilities*, new contracts and new players (not last season granted)
It hasn't gone into Levy's/Enic's back pocket as some people would claim.

*Essential for us to compete
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How do you justify ENIC paying less in wages and transfer fees as a % of turnover compared to every single other Premier League club?

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Particularly in light of us having the highest paid CEO, the highest recorded profit margin, the highest average ticket price in world football, and the most barren 2 decades in the clubs history.

Yeah, it's all about trophies, iñnit mate

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