LGB&T

[VirginiaSpur]

Lovely for them. Live and let live.

However, there's just something about the endless parade of congratulations and well-wishing that accompanies every announcement such as this or every "coming out" that just feels odd to me, as if everyone is competing to see who can most vociferously establish themselves as being the most inclusive and progressive among the crowd. To me - in the broader context - the tradition of "coming out" has started to resemble a cultural expectation that is less about the individual than it is about giving the crowd the opportunity to feel good about themselves, in the expectation that someone "in the closet" is still hiding from who they truly are, and that only by everyone being super-duper great people did someone build up the bravery to finally "come out" and stop living a lie.

I think we'll have truly gotten somewhere when someone loudly pronounces that they are gay and the overwhelming consensus is "... and?"

 

[CLS]

Whilst an admirable stance, and worthwhile blah-de-blah... I can't help but notice that LGB&T sounds more like a Cigarette Company's Trade Union!!

Surely not the image they're trying to conjure up with their imaginative acronym??
....but other than that, I'm glad the club is on board!

The sooner this ISN'T an issue, the better!

It is weird, I have no idea why they've gone for that when everyone else seems to use LGBT (even if they completely ignore the T part).

 

[Mick Cooper]

The tolerance of humanity is a big part of why I chose this club. Pleased to see that continued.

I just loved the shirts and the hair do's from the early 70's

 

[Drewinho]

We're the nuff side, we're the nuff side, we're the nuff side Tottenham!



Nah, in all honesty as most others have said - dont really care/mind. But just don't see the need for a song and dance about it. Football is football, blah di blah...

The media make a bit too much of a fuss sometimes but we need things like this happening. One day we hopefully won't need to even talk about this but right now most players don't feel comfortable coming out at all, which is wrong.

 

[Carlito Brigante]

Is this what you teach the yoof in PSHE?

You're just gutted because your mob are second best in my book.

 

[Smoked Salmon]

I can't believe the fucking irony of this...the club bleating on about showing its support for a persecuted minority yet showing the cold shoulder to any fan showing his support for....a persecuted minority.

Save that there are no "Fag Army" chants........

 

[sammyspurs]

Save that there are no "Fag Army" chants........

What if the LBGTTGBTBTG started the chant as "reclaiming the word"........would they get turfed? And face criminal charges...?

 

[mad]

What if the LBGTTGBTBTG started the chant as "reclaiming the word"........would they get turfed? And face criminal charges...?

good point, would they get thrown out for singing "We're gay and we know we are" offending themselves even if they just would be reclaiming a word that they have claimed as a word in order to have a word to claim... I think

 

[CJJ]

good point, would they get thrown out for singing "We're gay and we know we are" offending themselves even if they just would be reclaiming a word that they have claimed as a word in order to have a word to claim... I think

I think people are taking this Y word thing a little too far.

You can't deny that there are people offended by the use of the word, and it is a word which has been used before for quite some time in a way which is known to suggest anti-semitism. It's not exactly like the people using it can all defend themselves by saying "but we're flemish/jewish" or that it's been used in, what its supposed to be the right (non-offensive) way, of "Yeed" (phonetically).

If spurs called this the "Queer alliance" or "Fag trust" you might have a point (because that how offensive people find "Yid" pronounced literally), but "Gay" isn't deemed offensive, neither is LBG&T.

There's threads on this I know, but it's getting a little excessive how much/often it comes up.

Surely people can understand that if stopping using that word stops thousands of rivals using it also in a way that is supposed to incite anti-semitism then it is worth it?

 

[CJJ]

The main issue here, is the fact that we are the first target and our its our fans being arrested. When West Ham, Chelsea and Lazio get free reign to act like Nazis in our stadium

I think that the argument would be that it invites anti-semitism. I'm not sure how true it is, but I've been made aware that Jewish fans aren't comfortable with the word and don't use it (not sure if that's true or what proportion). If that's true, and the fans who do use it aren't Jewish, then it could be seen that those fans are instigating the abuse.

Tbh, religion tends to screw up a lot of things in life and gives people reason to hate and kill. I'm not particularly sure it has any place in football at all (I can find no reason for it, other than to incite abuse like this) so the reasons "for" using the Y-word are few compared to the "against".

 

[SpursLegend]

[quote="CJJ]I think that the argument would be that it invites anti-Semitism. I'm not sure how true it is

Good quoting bro.

 

[SpursLegend]

It wasn't a quote.
:avbfacepalm:
I even put a caveat explaining that. I'm willing to bet you can find quotes of such things without trouble though

I was mocking @ 1882 's awful attempt at quoting your post. Looks like he's deleted his post now anyway!

 

[1882]

Just out of interest, has there been any attempts to pronounce "Yid" as the friendly intention is apparently supposed to be (Yid as in 'seed' rather than Yid as in 'bid)

If people want to obtain the word for an affectionate term, then perhaps that would be easier for some to accept and there would be less argument that it's offensive?

I always thought 'Yidio' was our perfect loophole word... as it's not actually a word... but more a joyful noise of mass- celebration, made directly after a goal, and accompanied by gleeful bouncing, and friendly fist pumping!!!

 

[OldSpur]

So only minorities get recognised??? That sounds a bit dictatorial. I am all for Spurs fans whoever they are, as I have said before, however this is just a gimmick by the club and a un-necessary one at that.

 

[78Spur]

I think you're way out of line OldSpur, there hasn't been one player coming out in the professional game for years and the last time that didn't go too well.

I don't think this is a club led thing either, it is from GFSN (Gay Football Supporters Network) getting a group set up for Spurs Fans. I doubt it would have got off the ground had they not got involved.

Who are GFSN?

A voluntary organisation, the GFSN was established in 1989 as a social network for LGB&T football fans across the UK. Since then we have expanded into hosting our own national league and take the lead in tackling homophobia, biphobia, and transphobia in football.

The GFSN works to maintain a social network for LGB&T supporters, to encourage inclusive teams for players of all abilities, and to campaign against discrimination in football, with a view to creating a safe and tolerant environment both on and off the pitch.

Looking at it I really don't see what's wrong with this..

 

[OldSpur]

You can suspect all you like sunshine. This is a football club not a political toy.

 

[78Spur]

I don't think you are EDL but your stance is, frankly, bollocks.

It's not a gimmick, even if it were, all the club had to do was give it the rubber stamp, no one's human rights have been impinged, it's not even a political point, it's a social group who want to follow spurs and socialise, no worse than 1882 or any other movement.

I mean seriously, if you want to pick a battle with spurs go for stubhub, the safe standing, the over zealous stewards, not this.

 

[Mick Cooper]

There was a more appropriate place to put this - can't find the thread

Pretty impressive piece of TV journalism

 

[Nutter-Naylor]

http://www.thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/lgb-t.9251/#post-479539

 

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Lovely for them. Live and let live.

However, there's just something about the endless parade of congratulations and well-wishing that accompanies every announcement such as this or every "coming out" that just feels odd to me, as if everyone is competing to see who can most vociferously establish themselves as being the most inclusive and progressive among the crowd. To me - in the broader context - the tradition of "coming out" has started to resemble a cultural expectation that is less about the individual than it is about giving the crowd the opportunity to feel good about themselves, in the expectation that someone "in the closet" is still hiding from who they truly are, and that only by everyone being super-duper great people did someone build up the bravery to finally "come out" and stop living a lie.

I think we'll have truly gotten somewhere when someone loudly pronounces that they are gay and the overwhelming consensus is "... and?"

You certainly have a point, but it is also true that societal acceptance of homosexuality does make it much easier and more likely for someone to come out. The end goal of it being completely accepted and not deemed relevant with than "...and?" response is certainly a good one, but to get there we have to first make eliminate homophobia from our society and make sure we have an environment where no-one really does feel the need to hide their sexuality. Showing open acceptance to LGBT people coming out helps towards that. It's a stepping stone, if you will, between the outright hatred of the past and the neutral acceptance of the future.