Liverpool VS Tottenham Hotspur 2019-10-27 16:30

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Back post runs for headers that are just as much the delivery as the finish and a lucky juggle and volley from 2 and 4 seasons ago respectively. Neither of those things made him a good player then and their memory don't make him a good player now. He is not a 'footballer' he is/was someone that score a few goals due to goal hanging and the general good play of the team. If the best thing you can say about a player is he is best without the ball and playing on instinct then I say 'hard pass'.

You and many others have gotten fooled by the MK Tim Cahill. Nothing more. And now you're rationalizing why he's lost something he never actually had. It's not his hamstrings that prevent him from controlling a ball. It's not the physios that prevent him from making an accurate 10yd pass. It's not Poch preventing him from tracking runners. It's not his clothing line that prevents him from seeking the ball in the MF. It's all due to his lack of talent. He's not a good footballer and never was. He will never be 'back' no matter how many smoothies or downward dogs he does. He will still be a deficient footballer. This should have been picked up by the club as a few very keen, intelligent, and handsome observers had noticed. ****

And though sammyspurs sammyspurs wants and thinks he'll get back to his 2016 form when he was knocking them in weekly from outside the box (or some other confabulation) even that wasn't good enough. You saw Ndombele and GLC out there. Those are footballers where the seeking of the ball, the controlling of the ball, the passing of the ball, the recognition of time and space, etc. distinguishes their play and not some grainy video of 1 thing done sometime in the past. The kid is not good enough and hasn't improved his game and that is not the physios' or the manager's fault.

I'm with you on Sissoko but the Dele train is a step too far.

****I was one of them just in case you were wondering.:pochlol:
Agree to disagree mate

I’m thinking of his goal at the Chavs following Dier’s long through ball

It was sublime as was his through ball to Moura that beat Ajax!
 
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Sean

🇬🇧 COYS 🇮🇱
Disappointed with the result afetr the start we had,but not surprised.
Everyone who i watched the game with was screaming at Aurier " don't bring him down".Soft penalty,but a genuine wone with the rules.
I thought we responded well. LA st third of the game was as good as i have seen us all season,league wise. Gazza was sublime. So i am going to take some positives out of it.
Kane's goal showed true strikers class.Basic, but he saw what was happening before it did.

My football local is a standard north London mix,between US,Goons and a few other.Everyone was commenting on how biased the pundits were towards Liverpool,and i mean everyone.
They don't even try to hide it anymore.
One of the reasons I didn't watch on sky yesterday had it on a foreign channel.
 
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The penalty was a penalty, mane played for it no doubt , but it was always going to be given to them with contact in the box, other thoughts on the match are dele was a ghost , I have been one of his biggest fans but but even I’m doubting if we will ever see the real dele again, also if we can get GLC and Ndombele starting every game and a pair of decent full backs and a DM I think we have the making of a great team, it’s just worrying the amount of times we have thrown away a lead just lately and once they made it 1 all we knew it would end in them winning ! On a side note Gazza looked superb, but we all know regardless of how good he does in Hugo absence as soon as Hugo is back fit Gazza will be dropped to the bench, I wish the part where poch said it’s time to be brave meant a clean slate for everyone meaning your only as good as your last game and not picked as your one of his favourites ! And maybe make a change while we are 1-0 up once in a while? Who knows what would have happened had the Ndombele for winks sub came at half time and than GLC for Erisken on 60
The major difference in the teams yesterday was the full backs, they were progressive, strong in the tackle and always a threat from crosses. In contrast we just kept smashing the ball back to them which is OK once or twice but you have to try to retain the ball and draw fouls to relieve pressure away from home. Constantly giving the ball away is not a game plan...

I thought the rest of the battles were pretty well balanced but they battered us down the flanks. I guess this isn't really news but it really just continues to highlight the desperate need for new FB's ASAP.
 
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Finally calmed down after screaming at Aurier, Dele and Eriksen for most of the 90 minutes.

We went for point and thought we might nick three. We only started playing after they scored their second goal and if we'd scored, they would have come back and scored a third.

I just don't understand this mania to rotate. Lamela was injured so we could have played almost the team that performed well against a poor Red Star team. There's no midweek game this week so plenty of time to recover.

I can't understand team selection and substitutions at all! Surely GLC and NDombele are worth a start? What are we saving them for? Additionally Sessegnon out until November having purchased him in August? Surely the club owes us some kind of explanation other than 'in rehab'.

No idea why Aurier and (increasingly) Eriksen are anywhere near the team. Dele was appalling as well.

On a brighter note, Gazza was outstanding and kept us in the game.

On to Everton.
 
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todd1882

'Cause I know the power of the question
Agree to disagree mate

I’m thinking of his goal at the Chavs following Dier’s long through ball

It was sublime as was his through ball to Moura that beat Ajax!
You mean the one intended for Llorente? Right. With that type of memory I bet you can make anyone seem a world beater in retrospect. You should watch them again and you would realize his ball wasn't intended where it ended up. Both 'assists' from that game were bumbles. If you don't believe me I can post the article...that is if it will change your mind.

And you've brought up 4 moments. I can bring up 4 moments in 1 big game where he's killed a move or slowed us down with his many, many touches to just control a ball. But I don't need to get into this with you. Like you said we can agree to disagree on the past. But in the present he isn't a very effective footballer. And in the future I imagine he will be plying his trade away from WHL.

I stand behind my <10 more England caps in his career.


I just can't bring myself to agree with this, although deep down inside, I think you're right. I thought he had a reasonable game against red star, and was hoping he was getting back to form. But yesterday, although there was the odd trick in play, simple passes were not hitting their target, and he did not have a good game :(
This should have been picked up by the club as a few very keen, intelligent, and handsome observers had noticed. **** ... ****I was one of them just in case you were wondering.
I would just like to point out that I got Mrs P's stamp of approval. Suck it, losers!!!!

Not sure why you think I rate Dele.....been saying he’s played shit since the autumn of 2017.
Doesn’t mean he wasn’t good once though.

It was so long ago you don’t remember him running at players with the ball, or trying shots from outside the box.

Or maybe you was a NY Yankees fan back then?
Was and still am a Yankees fan there Sammy. But I get what you're trying to say but you'd be wrong again.

And I don't ever remember seeing Dele run at players with the ball mostly because he hasn't...ever! That would necessitate some degree of close control. Feel free to provide video of these amazing Messi-like runs. Otherwise it is just as I said, confabulation.

But that is all neither here nor there. We agree that he is not playing well and going forward it doesn't look like it will improve. But that's not Poch's fault.
 
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ENIC want a "mid-table club"?

Absolute cobblers.... :pochfacepalm:
Read it properly mate I said they wanted the stadium as a money maker but that we are becoming a mid table side this year so far never said they wanted it bit of a difference.
The club have a lot of work to do in order to restore this club back to where we would like to be, but sadly I have zero confidence in the club or manager to achieve that.
 
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Still in a shit mood because of this. Three consecutive league matches against them scouser pricks that have ended 2-1 in their favour and lost 4/4 of our last matches despite being the better side in two of them.

Also, I have to say, that the Liverpool team last day was terrifying to me, they looked like cyborgs playing against humans. Shocking difference in terms of quality.
 
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doesn’t mention he only completed 7 less than Aurier, 8 less than Rose, 12 less than Son and Winks, 15 less than Sissoko either does it. And Winks and Sissoko were central midfielders.

All aboard the scapegoat Bandwagon.
Eriksen was on of many who where shite last night difference is we know he's not gonna be here so why are we playing him?

Moving on Lo Celso and Ndombele have to be starting for us as does Lamela.

All 3 have showed more creative spark then anyone else. Eriksen Winks and Ali have to be out the side because simply they are not playing well. No doubt they will all still be the first XI next week still
 
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todd1882

'Cause I know the power of the question
...Stick to the baseball mate
The claim was
And I don't ever remember seeing Dele run at players with the ball mostly because he hasn't...ever! That would necessitate some degree of close control. Feel free to provide video of these amazing Messi-like runs. Otherwise it is just as I said, confabulation.
Only watched 4:10 and it was as I remembered...not running at players with the ball. That's what Dembele did , Hazard, Sterling, etc do. Those in the vid were take-ons out on the wing and most came to so little. They often ended in LOP. If that's what you wanna see then fair enough.

And I will stick with baseball. That will mean I'd understand more about two sports than you'll ever know.
 
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The claim was

Only watched 4:10 and it was as I remembered...not running at players with the ball. That's what Dembele did , Hazard, Sterling, etc do. Those in the vid were take-ons out on the wing and most came to so little. They often ended in LOP. If that's what you wanna see then fair enough.

And I will stick with baseball. That will mean I'd understand more about two sports than you'll ever know.
A whole video of Dele running at players with ball.

Not sure what Hazard, Dembele and Messi have got to do with it.
You’ve been proven wrong.

Dele used to run at players with the ball.
You don’t remember, that’s fine, but let’s not try and make out he ain’t running at players with ball in the video. Over and over and over again.

He is. And you are 100% wrong that he never did.
 
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doesn’t mention he only completed 7 less than Aurier, 8 less than Rose, 12 less than Son and Winks, 15 less than Sissoko either does it. And Winks and Sissoko were central midfielders.

All aboard the scapegoat Bandwagon.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting he is the solitary problem. He’s hardly a scapegoat - we have problems everywhere, as your stats show.

But he is supposed to be one of our very best and it’s reasonable for people to be annoyed whilst he runs down his contract and turns in absolute dogshit performances.
 
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I have no idea why the likes of Rose, Eriksen, Alli and Winks are still anywhere near our team. Eriksen has said he wants to leave. Rose constantly moans about the abuse he suffers and how he can't wait to retire. I like winks as a person, always gives his best, but frankly he just isn't good enough at this level.

Alli has been shocking for a good while now. Him and eriksen yesterday demonstrated their lack of effort or desire to play for us anymore. Every single attack in the first half that lead to anything was because eriksen failed to properly track Robertson. Son did a good job in tracking taa and pressing high. Sadly kane looks knackered after 15 minutes of pressing now.

But all of this would be solved if we started ndombele and lo celso who can actually retain the fucking ball and complete forward passes. How pochettino isnt under more attack in the media is beyond me. We have been utterly turgid since January 2019. Exceptions 2nd half vs Ajax. AND WHERE THE FUCK IS MOURA.
 
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Airfixx

Eroding the true defnition of glory since 1976...
Read it properly mate I said they wanted the stadium as a money maker but that we are becoming a mid table side this year so far never said they wanted it bit of a difference.
The club have a lot of work to do in order to restore this club back to where we would like to be, but sadly I have zero confidence in the club or manager to achieve that.
I've read it again (and did at the time).

Sadly that's not what your previous post conveys.
 
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From the BBC match report:

  • Tottenham are without a win in their last 11 Premier League away games (D2 L9), and last endured a longer run between May 2000-January 2001 under George Graham (14 games).
  • Gazzaniga made 12 saves in the Anfield defeat, the most by a goalkeeper in the Premier League since David de Gea versus Woolwich in December 2017 (14).
  • Serge Aurier has conceded four penalties in 48 games in all competitions since his Tottenham debut in September 2017; no Premier League player has given away more
 
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Finally calmed down after screaming at Aurier, Dele and Eriksen for most of the 90 minutes.

We went for point and thought we might nick three. We only started playing after they scored their second goal and if we'd scored, they would have come back and scored a third.

I just don't understand this mania to rotate. Lamela was injured so we could have played almost the team that performed well against a poor Red Star team. There's no midweek game this week so plenty of time to recover.

I can't understand team selection and substitutions at all! Surely GLC and NDombele are worth a start? What are we saving them for? Additionally Sessegnon out until November having purchased him in August? Surely the club owes us some kind of explanation other than 'in rehab'.

No idea why Aurier and (increasingly) Eriksen are anywhere near the team. Dele was appalling as well.

On a brighter note, Gazza was outstanding and kept us in the game.

On to Everton.
Agree with all this. I don't get the rotation policy either, especially if there's no mid-week game. And continually playing players who are out of form, or wanting to leave is just madness. This is why I can no longer understand what Poch is doing, or why he's still doing it. Yes, we are making small improvements in some areas, but it's bloody nearly November, so excuses about the team just finding form or settling down is bollocks. The season starts in August Poch, be bloody ready for it. I'm still fuming at his decision-making yesterday (in case you couldn't tell...)
 
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