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Player Mathys Tel

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Harrier said:
What have you seen to make you think he’s any good, as I just can’t see it?

The other red flag (and it’s a massive one for me) is that Bayern seem desperate to push him out the door!
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Even the Frankfurt game, first touch or close to, receives under pressure in a situation Son passes backwards but Tel knocks it round the defender and tries to sprint by. The touch was a centimeter out and goes out of play before he can get there. If he is in rhythm and gets to the ball he probably creates a goal chance.

The cross that should have been a corner but got him booked. The rage at the ref for not giving us the corner, that’s the mentality we need. Same mentality took the penalty when offered it.

Against Fulham he was very positive, some really excellent runs.

Against Utd 9 touches in the penalty area, really unlucky not to score in that game.

IMO the mentality and technical ability is there to see if you are prepared to look past our shit season and shit form
 
Richard Arlison said:
You definitely try and negotiate him down a bit.

Delap isn't on the table for us. if the transfer fee is that low he will be getting wage offers we won't match. Expect he ends up at UTD or Newcastle, Liverpool even.

Thing with Tel is he's been rated above the likes of Doue and Ekitike for their entire youth careers and you can see there is something there in the mentality and technical ability. If Ekitike took a step up and Tel ended up at Frankfurt for a season you just know he'd end up out of our range.

If we were sitting here thinking this club really could compete for the top end forwards who are ready now then fine but we aren't... Mbuemo is at Brentford and he's outside our range, that's where Levy's model positions us. IMO if we have a talent like Tel through the door, we don't let him slide because he's taking a while to adapt to the best league in the world.
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We aren’t going to be spending big this summer without a few sales first. We owe £330m in transfers to clubs with a huge chunk payable this year. People need to prepare themselves for us being tight as fuck. Levy virtually spelt it out in his statement.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Even the Frankfurt game, first touch or close to, receives under pressure in a situation Son passes backwards but Tel knocks it round the defender and tries to sprint by. The touch was a centimeter out and goes out of play before he can get there. If he is in rhythm and gets to the ball he probably creates a goal chance.

The cross that should have been a corner but got him booked. The rage at the ref for not giving us the corner, that’s the mentality we need. Same mentality took the penalty when offered it.

Against Fulham he was very positive, some really excellent runs.

Against Utd 9 touches in the penalty area, really unlucky not to score in that game.

IMO the mentality and technical ability is there to see if you are prepared to look past our shit season and shit form
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So why are Bayern so desperate to get shot of him?!
 
Richard Arlison said:
You definitely try and negotiate him down a bit.

Delap isn't on the table for us. if the transfer fee is that low he will be getting wage offers we won't match. Expect he ends up at UTD or Newcastle, Liverpool even.

Thing with Tel is he's been rated above the likes of Doue and Ekitike for their entire youth careers and you can see there is something there in the mentality and technical ability. If Ekitike took a step up and Tel ended up at Frankfurt for a season you just know he'd end up out of our range.

If we were sitting here thinking this club really could compete for the top end forwards who are ready now then fine but we aren't... Mbuemo is at Brentford and he's outside our range, that's where Levy's model positions us. IMO if we have a talent like Tel through the door, we don't let him slide because he's taking a while to adapt to the best league in the world.
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Hahahaha you'd actually spend the 60 million? For absolutely nothing so far apart from a nice finish at the end of a cup game?

He was struggling to make an impact at Bayern, has made zero impact at us, but yeah .. let's pay the huge fee to Bayern.

The guy may well be a huge talent but the pricetag on him is a complete joke. He's nothing but a maybe, not a guarantee of anything or even close.
 
Deuterz said:
Hahahaha you'd actually spend the 60 million? For absolutely nothing so far apart from a nice finish at the end of a cup game?

He was struggling to make an impact at Bayern, has made zero impact at us, but yeah .. let's pay the huge fee to Bayern.

The guy may well be a huge talent but the pricetag on him is a complete joke. He's nothing but a maybe, not a guarantee of anything or even close.
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Nah, I'd negotiate the fee down.

I wouldn't let him walk tho
 
The Absolute GOAT said:
Honestly, and I could re-post this in every current player thread, given the, er, quality of our coaching and manager, I find it very difficult to properly judge any of our players at the moment...
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People don't get it. I recall the absolute hammering JAN VERTONGHEN was getting before Pochettino. Rose was a joke and people thought Kyle Walker was a steroidal fool....There are players playing in this current squad are better at THIS stage in their careers than members of Pochettino squad were when he rocked up..I can't tell you enough THEY HAVE RECEIVED ALL THE WRONG ADVICE for over a year and a half. These players especially the young ones have gone backwards under Postecoglou and need reprogramming of all his nonsense tactics. He's also got the fitness wrong. Drain the swamp and start with experienced competent people.
 
McCOYS said:
If he was all that good he'd be getting game time, Kane doesn't play the full 90 minutes for every game in the Bayern season surely?
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Nope - and he can play on the wing too.

If Bayern thought he was all that, absolutely no way they'd be letting him slip through their fingers. They don't think he's the guaranteed deal, that simple.

They might be wrong. But that's the reality. And we shouldn't spend a big fee on a youth player who has one cup goal for us with no league goals.
 
McCOYS said:
If he was all that good he'd be getting game time, Kane doesn't play the full 90 minutes for every game in the Bayern season surely?
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Deuterz said:
Nope - and he can play on the wing too.

If Bayern thought he was all that, absolutely no way they'd be letting him slip through their fingers. They don't think he's the guaranteed deal, that simple.

They might be wrong. But that's the reality. And we shouldn't spend a big fee on a youth player who has one cup goal for us with no league goals.
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He was playing and scoring at a very good rate the season before.

Kompany clearly didn't need him as much, even if he was picking up minutes. That Bayern front line is stacked with experience who also need to play.

Technically has 1 league goal now.

anyway, let's see what the rest of the season looks like. He will start vs Wolves by the sounds of it, plenty of chances to show what he's about and then this conversation gets much easier.
 
Richard Arlison said:
He was playing and scoring at a very good rate the season before.

Kompany clearly didn't need him as much, even if he was picking up minutes. That Bayern front line is stacked with experience who also need to play.

Technically has 1 league goal now.

anyway, let's see what the rest of the season looks like. He will start vs Wolves by the sounds of it, plenty of chances to show what he's about and then this conversation gets much easier.
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He scored a handful of Bundesliga goals ... he can join a very lengthy list.

A penalty he should never have taken.

Sure, but we can only talk as of now. And as of now there's no way we should be considering signing him permanently.
 
I don’t care if he turns into Maradona. Which he won’t.

He’s done next to fuck all here and paying big money for a Munich reserve is a massive risk.

If he was actually that good, they wouldn’t have let him go anywhere at all in January.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Even the Frankfurt game, first touch or close to, receives under pressure in a situation Son passes backwards but Tel knocks it round the defender and tries to sprint by. The touch was a centimeter out and goes out of play before he can get there. If he is in rhythm and gets to the ball he probably creates a goal chance.

The cross that should have been a corner but got him booked. The rage at the ref for not giving us the corner, that’s the mentality we need. Same mentality took the penalty when offered it.

Against Fulham he was very positive, some really excellent runs.

Against Utd 9 touches in the penalty area, really unlucky not to score in that game.

IMO the mentality and technical ability is there to see if you are prepared to look past our shit season and shit form
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I like Tel honestly- think he is a much better player than what he has shown here. But that's the problem- we've hardly played him enough to know if he will justify the huge signing fee. It all feels a bit like it's turning into a disaster loan- compounded by reports that we even paid a fee to take him- something we've historically never done.

It's been a terrible season to be a loanee or youth with us as a desperate Ange returns time and time again to his veteran favorites.
 
Still don’t see any value in this chap. If he was a free who came in as a stop gap, I’d say ok fair enough. But at a cost, he’s a complete waste of time.

Smacks as a last minute punt to do absolutely anything to stop the pressure building.
 
Deuterz said:
Nope - and he can play on the wing too.

If Bayern thought he was all that, absolutely no way they'd be letting him slip through their fingers. They don't think he's the guaranteed deal, that simple.

They might be wrong. But that's the reality. And we shouldn't spend a big fee on a youth player who has one cup goal for us with no league goals.
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He's on low enough wages to make it appealing to Levy.
 
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